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Posted: Apr 14, 2013

My child has social anxiety and has very few friends.  It is difficult for her to make friends, but once she does, she loves her friends.  It causes her a lot of stress and such at school, due to this, but it is getting better.

She has this one friend, who is her best friend, she is 11 years old.  I have known this child since she was born, because her dad, who raises her as a single father, is very close friends with my husband.  There is no talking to the dad about the problem and getting a solution, because the dad lacks discipline or anything else with his kid, he actually still acts like a big kid himself.

This girl used to spend the night with my daughter most every weekend, stay weeks at the time in the summer, etc.  For the past six months or so she has gotten where she will make sure she can find absolutely nothing else to do before she will come see my daughter.  When she does come over, she knows my daughter really enjoys her there and she will make my daughter do things to make her happy.  Such as, if my daughter asks if she wants to go bike riding, she will say, "no, not unless you find me some skinny jeans to wear" and my daughter starts looking through her closet to find her skinny jeans.  It has almost seemed borderline abusive the way she acts, but my daughter is too passive and really wants this girl as her friend, so she puts up with it.

Anyway, she came over Friday nigh with her dad, my daughter hadn't even called her and she said she wanted to spend the night.  They played for a few hours, had fun, were making plans on what they were going to do Saturday and such.  Then, the girl's dad called, to talk to my husband actually (still Friday night) and the girl answered the phone and asked her dad what he was doing.  He told her whose house he was at and she knew the people and knew they had 4-wheelers there and told him to come pick her up, because she wanted to ride 4-wheelers and he said okay.  My daughter was visibly upset and she said to my daughter "I didn't want to come over here anyway, I want to go ride 4-wheelers"  I tried to talk to the girl and I told her that wasn't nice and you can't really talk to people and treat them that way and if she continued I couldn't let her come back over.  She then said..."I don't care, I didn't want to come here anyway, I just didn't have anything else to do."

Well, I told my daughter she is not coming back over, period.  My daughter seems happier when she plays with her other couple of friends and she doesn't stand up for herself and it hurts my heart to see her treated that way.  My daughter was upset about that though, still wants her to come over and defended the girl saying she is just busy a lot and has plans a lot.

Would you have taken this girl from being your child's friend or let it continue?  I, personally would have loved to deal with it with the parent, if that was logical, but it isn't.  This girl talks to her dad any way she wants and basically tells her dad what to do and such and he does not discipline her at all.

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I would have taken that opportunity - to...

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Talk to your daughter about true friendships, and then let her decide how to handle it. You cant control who you child hangs out with the rest of her life. You have to teach her how to handle situations as they come up. Guide her, dont control her. If she decided to still hang out with this girl, then she is taking a chance knowing what the outcome would be. You have to let the cards fall where they may, and hope that you instilled enough self confidence in your daughter to handle herself and her choices.

I think this could be an excellent learning experience, for you both.

I also would leave the other parent out of it. How he chooses to raise his daughter is going to fall on his shoulders.

My daughter is only 9 - OP

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I have talked to her about it many, many times and she says she doesn't care, she wants to be friends with her. BUT, when the girl treats her this way, she is continuously let down, upset, cries, etc., so I didn't want to see that anymore.

Reality Check - see msg

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Somehow, it would be good to instill in your daughter that HER choices may have consequences and to a certain point, she is choosing to be a victim. This relationship sounds dysfunctional. On some level, I think your daughter feels this other girl "needs" her.

I hope you have a stable relationship with your daughter's father and you are not a divided family. Your daughter seems to need to be a savior for some reason.

That all being said, in that age group, 2 years is a world of difference. Your 11-year-old daughter should really not be having a 9-year-old friend, in my opinion. They are at different milestones in their maturity.

You somehow have to not make your child the victim here, since your child is making a choice to be friends. Good time to teach that one can make one's own self a victim.
victim versus social disorder - finding balance
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I think the OP's daughter is really too young to label as acting like a victim. Childhood is a process of learning how to be an adult and that time line happens at different times for everyone. I've heard my child want to be friends with someone so badly that she said "just tell me how you want me to act, and I'll act that way!" We have come milestones since that event and she does not feel that way anymore, but it has taken a couple of years. Every year she grows a little more, which is completely normal because...she is a child.

I do agree that children have natural consequences of their actions, but completely disagree with using the term victim for a 9 yo child. It shows a lack of empathy or understanding of young children.

very similar situation at my house - finding balance

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Last summer I moved into a townhouse with one girl next door and another girl living next door to that girl. My child is 9, so there is my 9 yo, the next door girl who is 10 and then the third girl who is 11. My child is adopted and won't stand up for herself. The 11 yo girl was a 22 week preemie and has some learning disabilities, so she is easily manipulated. The 10 yo can be just plain mean. My daughter and the 11 yo could be BFF if it weren't for the 10 yo.

Last weekend when the 10 yo was not home, I spoke briefly with the dad of the 11 yo and made tentative plans for our two families to go somewhere on Sunday. When the 10 yo came home, my daughter made the mistake of mentioning it to the 10 yo. The 10 yo felt left out (of plans that may or may not happen) and made life hell for the 2 girls the rest of Sunday. She even came up to me and demanded I tell her exactly what the plans were, to which I told her to drop it or go spend the day at home. Later that day, she made a point of handing out toys to some neighborhood kids and purposely left my child out.

The next day, I asked her did she do that, and she admitted yes. I told her she owed me an apology for talking to me like that and owed one to my daughter for treating her like that. It didn't happen that day, but the next day she came over to borrow something for the kitchen, and I didn't move until she used her words to apologize.

I think we owe our children opportunities to interact effectively. The girl tried to apologize by saying "I'm sorry for everything." I told her she needed to use the words for what she did (i.e., I'm sorry I left you out when I gave everyone else a toy). This girl is used to everyone letting her get away with whatever she wants. Now she is 10 and does not know to fix the relationship if she messes up. Since she has been serially nice then mean since last summer, I'm ready to tell her to leave if I find her acting mean. I owe it to my daughter to show her how to use her words.

So next time, I will tell the 10 yo she needs to go home if she can't play nice, and since we live in rented townhomes, she needs to understand that doesn't mean just move everybody outside where there may not be an adult to intervene. The kid needs to go into her own home and away from my kid unless she can play nice. Even the 11 yo is finally getting tired of the 10 yo being mean.

I encourage my child to not be rude to anyone, but she has the right to not let people be mean to her. She has the right to choose to be around people who want good things for her. If a kid is nice some times, play with that kid when it's nice. But when the kid is being mean, stay away from that kid and tell the kid why. If she can't use her words directly to that kid, then let me know and I'll tell the kid to go home. It's not a perfect system and I can't always be doing it like this, but I need to do it until my kid has the confidence to do it herself. I don't want my child to get involved with someone like this as a teenager and not know how to disengage from that person.

You can't control it for the rest of the child's life - but...

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you can and should control it with a 9-year-old child. The girls is not healthy for your child and it is no different for you to restrict the girl from being your child's friend than if the girl was stealing, smoking or doing drugs.

It is OUR jobs as parents to protect our children, teach them why, but ultimately OUR decision, not theirs.

I did the same thing... - MT

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I had the same situation a few years back. My daughter was best friends with this girl...this girl became friends with many other people...only would come over or do anything with my daughter if nothing else was going on. It got to the point where she would make plans with my daughter, only to ditch her a few hours later because someone else called. After a few times of that, I called it quits. My daughter and her friend were the same age, but at the age of 9 to 12, they are building up their self-esteem and who they are and that was just ripping my daughter's self-esteem to shreds so I finally had to make it the mean mom's fault instead of because her friend didn't want to.

you could always talk to your child - sm

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My mom would have sat down with me and explained that SHE did not think the other little girl was behaving very nicely.

She would have said something like: "I don't think it was very nice for Susie to leave like that. When we make a date with our friends, we have to stand by our words. It's not nice to make a plan and then change it because something better comes along."

In this way, she was being direct and honest, and she was teaching me how to be a good person.

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