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Abortion. Can we really afford to be wrong?


Posted: Sep 5, 2012

My personal journey to an answer for this difficult question has been neither one of religious discovery nor a form of moral evolution.  It is this conclusion--which, while difficult to come to for me personally as a former pro-choice advocate, has been as inescapable as it has been wrenching:

It isn't necessary to argue religion.  It isn't necessary to examine moral systems of thought.  From a purely scientific and medical standpoint, there is absolutely no point in the development of the human being that it is possible to identify it as anything OTHER than a human being--and the MORE we know about the unborn, the LESS possible it becomes to distinguish between the born and the unborn.  Supporting this absolute unquestionable assertion is the fact that the MORE capable that medical science becomes with respect to intervening in the medical problems of the unborn, the LESS possible it becomes to say how early in the stages of development a human can be supported outside the womb.

The vert term "fetus" has a certain very limited formal definition.  But, I am ashamed to admit that pro-choice forces have hijacked this term in a deliberate, cynical effort to brainwash unthinking people into believing that there must be some fundamental difference between the born and the unborn human. 

After all, if we use two different labels for things, they must be two different things, right? 

Wrong, and a complete misunderstanding of the formal distinctions (between "fetus" and "baby") that in fact do not amount to a difference in the underlying reality--at least, for the purposes of deciding this question in your own mind. 

A woman unknown to hospital staff rushes into the Emergency Room in precipitous labor.  No time for scans.  It's yank down her pants and pass the bucket.  The doctor waits like Johnny Bench for the pitch to be delivered.  He's wondering what it will be because after all, he's never seen this woman before.  A sea turtle, perhaps?  Maybe an aardvark.  And if biological fate of the embryo means nothing, it could be anything. 

Or, wait! Considering how big she is, could it be a Volkswagen Beetle?  Let's see - Apgars for a VW bug consist of checking the headlights, horn and turn signals, right?  He tries to remember the pages from Chilton's Manual For the Repair and Delivery of VW Beetles.

That doctor knows very well what's coming down the chute, doesn't he?  He doesn't need scans.  He doesn't have to guess.  He's not going to be surprised when a buzzard flies out and perches on his shoulder.  That's because this unborn being was, from the very beginning, a human being and nothing else.

We have no reason today to argue on behalf of casual abortion as a means of birth control.  We have no reason to cast this as a matter of choice (unless we would like to take the position that it should also be a matter of "choice" for a mother to kill her born children as well when they become inconvenient...just like a "fetus" can be killed for the sake of convenience).

A fetus is a human being, and the deliberate termination of its life is very, VERY rarely a matter of choice between one human being and another.  That we can delude ourselves into believing that we're doing nothing more than scraping some garbage out of the mother's uterus is nothing more or less than horrifying and disgusting.

You want choice?  How about THIS choice: You have the choice between using birth control OR NOT SPREADING YOUR LEGS when you cannot or have not used it.  THAT is the ONLY "choice" that science (not "God" or some high-minded moralist) leaves you. 

And every one of you knows it.

 

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Ok, what about rape and incest? - me

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Where women do not get the choice of spreading their legs or not? (Lord, conservatives looove to say that phrase, don't they?)

Or are you one of them Todd Akin scientific-types?

Funny thing about the women who do not murder these - innocents based on those reasons...

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You can't find one of them that would go back and abort those children.

I'm totally sick of this disgusting argument--which is still an argument of convenience.

Am I saying that it would be EASY to bear this child to delivery? Am I saying that there wouldn't be a great deal of emotional ANGUISH involved?

No, but when you've said that you're still saying that a child should be murdered because giving it life isn't EASY.

Get a grip. Stop drinking the koolade.

How does adding murder to another crime make that - crime any better?

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Let's admit this: We happen to hear of a woman who decided NOT to murder the human being who is growing inside her from an act of rape or incest.

Do we (honestly) think that this woman is showing a degree of character that we're not sure we ourselves possess, or do we not?!

I will tell you without fear of contradiction that the majority of people believe that this woman is exhibiting courage and character--even those who would turn around and argue that abortion is justified on those same grounds.

I am much more conflicted when the issue is one of medical necessity. While I've been able to completely resolve the issue of abortion as a matter of convenience, or abortion as a method of birth control, I have no idea yet how to weigh the value of one life against that of another.

If you ask how I lean, though, I can tell you this: As a social liberal, I am more concerned about those among us who are helpless than those who are not. I am more interested in speaking up for those who have no voice as opposed to those who can speak up for themselves.

In that respect, and with great sadness that such a choice should ever be necessary, I suppose I would still side with the infant, and weep for the loss that it implies.
Absolutely. Force the victim to carry to term and - to give the child up
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Do not consult with her what she feels is right for HER, and by no means, do not give a second thought to the physical, emotional and psychological trauma of the rape OR the decades of aftermath she will spend trying to heal and wondering what happened to her and her rapist's baby. In other words, dismiss the criminal violation of her body, first by the rapist, then by the law, which aims to abort the woman in the process of saving the zygote.

This will never fly. No way, no chance, nohow.

Did anyone say anything about a law forcing - anyone to do anything?
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Please. Learn how to read and then come back to the forum.

Umm, yeah. Consult your party platform planks - for details
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that is if you know how to read it. Please note the abortion ban/Akin Amendment does not allow for exclusions for rape and incest victims.

If you can watch "The Scream" and still defend - abortion as birth control

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Well, all I can say is that you are one cold-hearted child of unmarried parents.

The flim that has been denounced by legions of OB/GYNs - as cultural propaganda?

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Child of unmarried parents? If you are going to get up here and insult folks, at least have the courage to say what you are saying straight out. If the moderators want to edit out "bastard," let them, but please quit trying to be coy about pushing your "morality" off onto the rest of us.

They don't care about "dead babies." Look at this thread. - All the abortion issue does

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for them is give them a chance to poke their nose into other women's bedrooms.

Don't even bother with them.

Question for antiabortionists. Deleted. Too heavy - for this board. NM

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Respectfully.... - SK1

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The topic of abortion is a deeply personal issue which most people, pro and con, are passionate about.

While the topic of abortion as it pertains to the different political parties and the law might have a place on this board, does the topic of abortion as a moral issue have a place? Does anyone really think anyone else is swayed one way or the other? Probably not. But it can certainly incite rage and harsh words.

Maybe best saved or a different venue?

Just my 2 cents.

Returned to delete, read your post, and agree. Although - my own question is a political one. NM

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Choice - mychoice

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You know what, lady? The last paragraph in your little diatribe was nothing more than vile. Get off your high horse. You can't tell me what my choices are. And you certainly can't tell me what to do with my own body. Once upon a time I was a pregnant teenage girl with a disappearing father of the baby and a job that paid $4.15/hour. I felt I made the right choice for me and I certainly would not have appreciated someone like you screaming at me not to spread my legs. I bet you are one of those people holding signs and yelling at patients going into clinics.

Tell you what, you mind your own body and I'll mind mine, okay?

Agreed. - (sm)

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Until you've walked in my shoes, do NOT judge me. I was pregnant several years ago, and in my fourth month, a sonogram confirmed that the fetus had a neural tube defect (anencephaly) and had no chance of surviving outside the womb. My husband and I were devastated, and we chose to terminate the pregnacy rather than go through the pain of carrying a child for 9 months and letting it die soon after it was born. How cruel of you to pass judgment on something that is so personal and, by the way, is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS (let alone the government's).

Would that we all could live such virtuous, lust-free lives as yourself! It must get lonely up there in that ivory tower. Maybe if you spent less time judging others and more time learning some compassion, you'd be less bitter.

Hard Truth - Thoushaltnotkill

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Everyone needs to watch the video "Hard Truth". I can't believe that ANYONE would think there would truly be ANY reason in this world to take the life of an innocent, unborn baby. That baby has a right to life no matter how he/she was conceived. There are tons of couples in this world who would love to have a baby but can't and are willing to adopt. Then you have women who are given the gift of life and they literally "throw it in the trash". When I was pregnant, I was told that my baby would probably have Down syndrome and I was offered an amniocentesis to find out for sure in case I wanted to have an abortion. I thought are you kidding me ...? I'm going to kill my baby because he/she might not be what the world views as "normal" ?? No way! My womb is not a tomb. Guess what... Dr was wrong! My baby didn't have Down syndrome. Most women who have an abortion have post-traumatic stress disorder afterwards and have a real hard time dealing with "their choice". What is the difference of having an abortion or waiting until the very second the baby is born and then chop his/her arms, legs, and head off. That is how they perform the abortions you know. They rip them apart, or they burn then inside and out with saline solution and then after the baby has been burnt to death inside and out from the saline, about 3 days, they induce labor and the mother gives birth to a burnt baby. There is no "humane" way to kill a baby and it is not "a blob of tissue". Plain and simple. And, I don't give a hoot what anyone thinks about what I have said on here. It is reality. If you don't like it, then maybe you shouldn't be for it or tolerate it!! If it is the "woman's right", then it should be the "woman's right" to kill her children after they are born because they are an "inconvenience" to her or maybe they aren't "normal". Over 5000 babies are killed from abortion everyday in the US alone. What is wrong with us America?? If you could hear those babies screaming as they are being killed in what is supposed to be a safe place, their own mother's belly, then maybe you wouldn't turn your heads and look the other way and say "it's her right to choose".
how do you feel about capital punishment - nm
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Abortion/choice - mt1347

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Bottom line - it's none of YOUR business what choice another female makes about pregnancy, unless she is your dependent child. Religion still keeps 10s of millions across the globe in veils, full body wraps when out of the house, and keeps them subrogated as 2nd class citizens because that is how "god made it," according to those religions. Every choice in life has pros and cons and has repercussions for the one who chooses - but whether an abortion leaves a woman feeling guilty is between her and her higher power. She doesn't answer to you or me - just to god. And, you don't answer to god for her - so butt out of others' lives. Legalizing abortion does not make it more prevalent - it just makes it less risky. Legalizing abortion does not require anyone to have one. Your post is very judgmental and hateful and I'm betting you haven't spread your legs in ages.

mt1347 - mt

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I don't care what you think about my post. I am all about protecting the helpless babies as are many other people. You are nasty person.

mt... - mychoice

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Hope you're prepared to get a few more jobs since you plan on adopting all those "helpless babies." Heck, why don't you just remodel your home and turn into a baby shelter while you're at it??

And hope you're prepared to sink most of your check into the welfare program too.

the penultimate paragraph says it all - (it always comes down to the spreading of legs)

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...and the not-so-thinly-veiled contempt is heard loud and clear.

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