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Posted: Jun 30, 2014

Hobby Lobby does not want to pay for someone's abortion - this is about abortion folks, not about birth control......and it is about freedom to follow one's religious beliefs - do we prevent a certain other religion from taking time off for prayers during the day? No - because we don't want to infringe upon someone's religion - but somehow because it is the Christian faith in this case - we think it's wrong for them to ask to practice their faith? This issue is not about birth control - it is about freedom to practice your faith......

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There is not a pill for abortion, a pill that works - to not allow pregnancy to take place

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I would never consider that an abortion pill, works same as birth control, take right after sex in order not to get pregnant. I do not know other than termination of a pregnancy by say D&C any other way of terminating a pregnancy. The pill is not that.

I keep up with the news about pro and con. If the US ever reverted to years gone by would make no difference in whether women had abortions or not. Years ago before legal they were obtainable and that would continue if US ever legally stopped them.

Read up on mifepristone - AKA abortion pill.

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NM

Yes mifepristone IS the abortion pill. Not Plan B - me

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Took your advice, looked it up and read about - it and yes there is one now

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This is the first I have heard of one, knew several years ago not so now read and know about this. I had heard about Plan B but not this newer pill. Thanks for the information.

It has actually been around a very long time. - sm

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It was marketed in Europe as RU486 for a very long time. Only recently was it approved by the FDA for use here.

It's wrong for a company that provides health - insurance to its employees - sm

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to try to dictate what procedures the patient may or may not have, or what medications, and for what purposes.

Those are decisions that are made IN PRIVATE by a doctor and their patient. And if the patient is insured, then the decision to allow or disallow anything is THEIR call, and should be no business whatsoever of the employer.

If an employer feels THAT strongly about a political or religious issue that they feel they must try to tell the insurance companies how to do things, they should probably do one of two things:

1) Not offer insurance at all, and instead pay the employee enough that he or she can afford to purchase their own.

2) Better still, whoever at said company is making these kind of ultimatums probably shouldn't be in the position of leading a company with employees, at all. Instead, they should just work for themselves, with NO employees.

So you want your boss out of your business, but - you want your boss to PAY for it,

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because of Obamacare Hobby Lobby had cover certain things.

Boss doesn't pay for it. INSURANCE COMPANY - pays for it. NONE OF BOSSES BIZ.

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So it's okay for muslim extremists to practice - jihad, even if it happens in the US?

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Or for other religious beliefs to allow the mutilation of young females' genitals? Or for girls who haven't even reached puberty yet to be sold/married off?

And how about Catholic priests that prey on children? What sort of religious dogma to they chant to themselves to convince themselves that this is somehow "okay"?

Give all your rights to the corporations? - sm

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It amazes me that some people are so afraid the government is going to take their freedoms away, when it is the corporations every time.

Some are saying this ruling - will lead to more abortions

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It has nothing to do with "freedom to practice your faith." Nobody would have been forced to take birth control pills that didn't want to (and certainly not have an abortion). Many are agreeing tonight that singling out for exclusion the beliefs of a particular religion is creating a worrisome precedent. Do Jehovah's Witness business owners now get to decide they won't provide coverage for blood transfusions for their employees? IMHO our country does better when we stick with separation of church and state and do not allow certain religions to force their beliefs on other people.

All separation of church and states mean is that the gov. cannot - set up its own religion. sm

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No one is denied anything in this ruling. You just have to pay for it yourself. We do have a first amendment, freedom of religion included.

You say this will lead to more abortions, so in other words you want someone else to pay for your behavior.

Separation of church and state also means govmt. - cannot force from, or on, an individual.

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And that's precisely what they're doing when they try to force the religious beliefs of an employer on its employees.

Government should not be influenced in any way by a person's religion. Religion is personal, just like healthcare records should be.

How is any company to know what meds or procedures an employee has had, unless there's been a HIPAA violation? Is HIPAA now of so little consequence, that a person's employer has the right to look into them? Otherwise, how on earth are they going to know what someone's insurance policy is paying for?

Hobby Lobby pays for 16 different types of birth control, - just not the morning after pill.

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Someone said below that big biz has too much control. Hobby Lobby is not a big business, like GE or GM.

No one is denying women contraceptives. This is just about war on women rhetoric.

The size of a business doesn't matter. - Intrusive practices are still

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intrusive practices, whether they are done by a little mom n' pop deli, or by Google.

So you think it's okay for a company to dictate to an insurance company what drugs, or brands of drugs, may or may not be prescribed to an employee? Insurance companies do that far too much already, often to the detriment of their patients' health.

See, that's the thing about how these self-appointed "morals-monitors" operate. They already know that they can't take something away from an individual, or a group of individuals, in one lump sum. Too difficult. Too messy.

No, instead, they chip away at choice piece by piece, a millimeter at a time. First they raise the fear of losing ALL choice at once, such as they just did. Then they say, "Oh, no-no-no, you've got it all wrong! We're not taking away all your choices! You'll still have plenty of them! Just not THAT one, particular choice."

And if they get away with that, you can bet your last dollar that next year, and the year after that, they'll be back for more. It's how these people operate.

"Everything around you ir cynically designed to - John Steinbeck

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destroy you as individuals. You must remember and teach your children that they are precious, not as dull cogs in the wheel of PARTY existence, but as units complete and shining in themselves.” John Steinbeck

No one is being denied anything in this ruling. Some people just want others to pay for birth control.

I want a hamburger for lunch. I wonder if a vegetarian business owner would pay for that?

The kind of reasoning is really messed-up. - KayTee

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I used to work at a small business where a woman had a gastric bypass procedure ... - which raised all our health insurance.

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We used to shudder when we'd see her eat hamburgers because we had already paid for another one that failed. We didn't want to pay for a THIRD! She became the office joke.

Irony, huh? When some personal things are paid for by health insurance and other things aren't.

Personally if I had too choose, I would much rather pay for oral contraception than that undisciplined cows problems with eating.

My point exactly - rita

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The liberals are silent when it comes to other "religions" with "religious freedom" until it's a Christian point of view - then it's jump on the band wagon. Hobby Lobby will pay for 12 kinds of birth control, just not the pills or methods that destroy a baby that has already been created (fertilized egg). There are still a lot of us out here that do not believe in abortion - although the news media would have you think otherwise - I believe that there are two people involved in the "choice" and that one is too little to have a say so some of us must stand up for the baby.

You're missing the point - anon

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A corporation is not a person and as such cannot hold any beliefs religious or otherwise. Someone said it best when they said "welcome to the US where corporations are people and women are not."

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