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Need a subsidy for your healthcare you can't afford? (sm)

Posted: Jul 7, 2013

For the first year you won't even have to prove you need it. Come one, come all. We're using the honor system. OMG. I'm choking from laughter.

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Faux News? Thanks, but no, thanks. :-) - nm

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Learn to trust. - Like Forbes better? LOL (sm)

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still laughing - see link

Oops, sorry, dear. Copied wrong link. - Link

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here you go

Links straight back to Fox/Hot Air. - Thanks but no thanks x2. nm

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Faulty computer? Try this one - WSJ - link

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nm

Not really. Just not interested in joining - the repeal mob

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in their desperate efforts to deny health care coverage to the uninsured. It's not my thing.

Still don't get it do you? It will not be repealed. (sm) - This is so tiring.

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He knows exactly what he is doing. When it can't be implemented, he will be "forced" to go with single payer, which he wanted all along. It's not that hard to figure out really. BTW, in my neck of the woods, people with no insurance get treated in hospital ER's, so no worries there, dear.

Well, in my neck of the woods, hospital ERs are so - glutted with uninsured

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it can take a day or two just to get through the trauma/life-threatened patients before intermittent exams of the "less serious" cases can be accomplished. On one of those occasions, my husband had 10+ pain scale after sustaining 3 through-and-through rib fractures. He was seen after 34 agonizing hours. Then there was the time I was turned away all together after showing up with stroke-level hypertension that ranged between 220/115 to 240/140, measured over the 26 hours I spent on the gurney in the ER halls. No EKG, no MD, no meds, no nothing other than 4 BP readings rendered by an LVN.

For many of us, whether or not access to health care coverage comes via ACA or single payer makes no difference, just as long as it comes. Guess that "no worries" thing is not a universal truth, dear.

House doesn't seem to get that at all. - 37th repeal vote

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is being considered as we speak so GOP reps can get their opposition into the record yet AGAIN before they launch their 2014 bids for re-election in their local districts. Last time full repeal vote was held less than 2 months ago on May 16 2013. They sure know EXACTLY what THEY'RE doing, don't they?

It's because they refuse to come out and say what is going on. - It involves the C word.

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nm

Here's a couple more links - Truthhurts

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I copied a couple paragraph (dots mean more before and after that paragraph) because I know everyone is too busy to read full articles but I also enclose the 2 links relating to the paragraphs so you can read the full articles on line.

BTW, this is another reason to start all over again with healthcare. Bunch of idiots that don't know what they're doing in HHS and IRS. Scary that they're supposed to handle this job.

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…If you thought the delay in the employer mandate was bad news for Obamacare, just wait. On Friday, Sarah Kliff and Sandhya Somashekhar of the Washington Postdiscovered that the Obama administration had buried in the Federal Register the announcement that the government won’t be able to verify whether or not applicants for Obamacare’s insurance exchange subsidies are actually qualified for the aid, in the 16 states that are setting up their own exchanges. Instead, until at least 2015, these states will be able to “accept the applicant’s attestation [regarding eligibility] without further verification….”

Without employer mandate, Feds to rely on applicant ‘attestations’
…And it’s not just there. The feds will also allow people to gain means-tested subsidized coverage on the exchanges without having to…test their means. “For income verification, for the first year of operations, we are providing Exchanges with temporarily expanded discretion to accept an attestation of projected annual household income without further verification….”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/07/06/not-qualified-for-obamacares-subsidies-just-lie-govt-to-use-honor-system-without-verifying-your-eligibility/

…In other words, anyone can receive subsidies tied to income without judging the income they declare against the income data the Internal Revenue Service collects. This change has nothing to do with the employer mandate, even tangentially. HHS is disowning eligibility quality control because pre-clearance is "not feasible" as a result of "operational barriers" and "a large amount of systems development on both the state and federal side, which cannot occur in time for October 1, 2013…"

…You've got to love that passive voice. It's true that coordinating and managing vast amounts of information from hundreds of millions of Americans and corporations, and monitoring compliance with more than 10,000 pages of fine-print Federal Register regulations so far, is hard to do. Yet that is the system Democrats installed when they passed the law, which is not supposed to be optional due to administrative incompetence...

……HHS promises to develop "a more robust verification process," some day, but the result starting in October may be millions of people getting subsidies who don't legally qualify. This would mean huge increases in ObamaCare spending. Some of these folks could be fraudsters, much as 21% to 25% of Earned Income Tax Credits flow to people who aren't eligible, according to the Treasury inspector general. The same error rate for ObamaCare would amount to as much as $250 billion in improper payments in its first decade….

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324507404578591671926459776.html

GOP once again assumes uninsured are a bunch of lying - chislers, cheats and frauds

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and aren't the least bit shy about saying so every chance they get, just as long as it keeps the wingers happy. So what else is new? I'm sure once they're done criminalizing the unemployed and poor who apply for assistance, they will not hesitate to expand their great unwashed underclass to include those Americans who receive health care subsidies. Bet they even think it'll be an effective battle cry to rally their base in 2014 by using it to fill the 47% void from last time around when their disdain for struggling middle-class Americans cost them the election.

Exactly. It's easy.... - SM

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...to be critical of the health care plan until you're the one who is in desperate need of it. And as soon as the critics are in tremendous need of assistance, they sure as heck are gonna get theirs! I live in a part of the country that is as conservative as it gets, and I've seen and heard it time after time.

I work at a pharmacy, and I didn't hear ONE PERSON complain bitterly about having "no charge" for their birth control pills after January 1st when that change went into effect. When they got out their credit card to swipe it, and we said, "There's no charge today," it was always a surprised smile and happiness.

If there's one thing I can't stand, it's hypocrisy.

That 47% is such hogwash. Some are easily - pulled into the muck.

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Not to the 47% for whom the GOP repeatedly - show such disdain

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or the +4.1% who also supported the candidate and party who defend their interests....

1. Women
2. Blacks
3. Hispanics and hispanic look-alikes.
4. Moslems and Moslem look-alikes.
5. Labor
6. Employees whose wages and salaries have stagnated to support corporate welfare and tax cuts for the wealthy.
7. The working poor
8. Single moms and dads
9. Parents of hungry children
10. Teachers in the public school systems.
11. Seniors on fixed income
12. Seniors on Medicare and Social Security
13. Disabled and chronically ill on Medicaid.
14. Pro-choice men and women
15. Gay men consenting adults
16. Lesbian consenting adults
17. Transgender consenting adults
18. Bisexual consenting adults
19. Those in groups 14, 15, 16 and 17 who want to get married.
20. Disenfranchised voters living in red states whose districts have been gerrymandered into oblivion
21. Targets of voter suppression living in red states
22. The unemployed
23. The underemployed
24. The outsourced
25. Foreclosed mortgage holders
26. Students with educational loans
27. The uninsured

and NOW we are adding the lying "chislers, cheats and frauders" (PJ Media headline) daring to even consider applying for ACA subsidies to comply (not defy) with the 2014 mandate.

Bravo! You nailed it. - Libby

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Sure, we'll guess-timate about 250 bil for people (sm) - LL

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who claim they can't afford it. I tell you what, there are some sick puppies hanging out around here. I mean really.

Where did that figure come from? - Out of thin air?

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I mean really. If I were one of those "claiming" I can't afford employee health coverage, I would voluntarily provide the single and family insured cost to the IRS, assuming that my employer even offers it. It's not that hard for unemployed, underpaid and uninsured employees to prove their case. Penalties for IRS fraud can be quite stiff at best, if not devastating, and this scenario will be no exception.

The good thing is - NK

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that all us "sick puppies" are gonna have access to affordable health care.

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