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Who made it about abortion?

Posted: Aug 22, 2012

After Republicans regained control in the 2010 elections Troy Newman said:

''I feel like a little boy on Christmas morning -- which package do you open up first?'' said Troy Newman, the leader of Operation Rescue, an anti-abortion group. Already, abortion opponents were considering pressing for new regulations in New Mexico, Iowa and Kansas, where Sam Brownback, the Republican governor-elect, follows Democratic governors who vetoed some abortion limits approved by the Republican-controlled Legislature.

In the first six months of 2011, states enacted 162 new provisions related to reproductive health and rights. Fully 49% of these new laws seek to restrict access to abortion services, a sharp increase from 2010, when 26% of new laws restricted abortion. The 80 abortion restrictions enacted this year are more than double the previous record of 34 abortion restrictions enacted in 2005—and more than triple the 23 enacted in 2010. All of these new provisions were enacted in just 19 states.

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The babies not aborted - kr

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were given the chance to live! Bless those mothers for choosing the welfare of their babies over their own circumstances.

And did you do your part....sm - JTBB

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and go to those mothers and offer to adopt those children? Or are you just standing behind the party that would make cuts to programs that would help those mothers and those babies?

Wow. - Really?

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Trying to understand your thinking. You seem to be bashing poster for her kind words.

That's not a bash....sm - JTBB

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The above poster has made clear her stance as a pro-lifer. My question is if she wants all those women to have those babies, how does she plan to help them? If she thinks the govt should have the ability to tell women what to do with their bodies, what does she feel the govt's role should be to deal with the consequences.

I didn't say what you said I said - kr

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I did not say I wanted "all those women to have those babies." I did not say I think "the govt should have the ability to tell women what to do with their bodies." I did indicate that if they ARE pregnant they are to be commended if they choose to carry to term and not kill their babies. A baby is not a "consequence."

So...what is your stance on abortion? sm - JTBB

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Should women have the right to choose? BTW, the consequence is a woman with a child she cannot support.

Twisting post meant for you. Why must you do that? - nm

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Do you just pretend not to understand or do you just like to argue?

Why must I do that?...sm - JTBB

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I want to see if pro-lifers are actually willing to stand behind their beliefs and take responsibility for them. It's easy to be a peaches and cream and bubbles over babies, but what about the rest of the baggage that comes with it? That's not something pro-lifers are usually willing to discuss, and that's what I'm after. If you have the nerve to allow our govt to control what we do with our bodies, then why not admit it and answer the hard questions? Its a question of accountability.

There's a reason I use a moniker, and that is because I feel it keeps me honest. It allows others to question my views and hold me accountable for what I say.

If it's debate you want, then don't twist people's words. - You've done it to me too.

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I cringe whenever I see you do it.

Maybe you should stop whining...sm - JTBB

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and start seriously debating. When you only contribute bits and pieces, you leave the rest as a fill in the blank. I'm not "twisting," I'm simply filling in the blanks because you guys won't or can't. You never clarify your views. For the most part you guys either just whine and run, as in this instance, or revert to the old Obama is a Nazi type phrase.

You win. I don't have time for your nonsense. - Obama is a Nazi.

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nm

"Debates" on this forum - equal hostility and personal attacks.

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Didn't the moderator say that this forum is for expressing opinions? Those who wish to debate may be in the wrong place.

Twisting, twisting. Modus operandi. Always. - Explaining what I've seen.

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nm

Obama said it was a punishment. - LM

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Remember that?

no, I don't remember that. - what are you referring to?

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In his own words - link - LM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jszkPtsFH-k

Sure do. MSM covered up - his gaffe, though.

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Not surprising that some people didn't hear it.

Right on point/reply to JTBB - prochoice

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Couldn't have said it better myself. Every woman has the right to decide what she can do with her own body. It's not up to anyone else, especially a man in a suit, to make her keep a pregnancy if she doesn't want to.

In response to Wow. Really?.....hope you plan on taking on a bunch of jobs to help pay for all those babies you plan on adopting since you think everyone needs to give birth.

Or maybe they could just keep their legs together. - Is that a "viable' option?

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nm

Nope... not for me. I like having sex - Bad Girl

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You can't be serious. In case you are and do really have issues... See link.

It definitely is - and the most responsible "choice"

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Many women use abortion as their birth control. I can't think of anything more horrendous than that.

it is a fallacy that many women use abortion as birth control - just ain't so

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Oh, it most definitely is so. An abortion a year - for a different baby daddy. YKW I mean.

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nm

no, I do not know what you mean - sm

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You might consider taking this issue up with the baby daddies. Got a son?

Agreed - and if women only knew - the long-term risks

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to their health--physical and emotional--as well as the baby's life, it would be an eye-opener.

Do you know anyone who has tried to adopt lately? - Rose

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It is extremely difficult to adopt an infant domestically - yes - there are couples standing in line waiting for babies - but somehow there is this misconception that killing your baby is better for it than placing it in a loving home. Sorry - I don't usually get involved in this debate - I too believe that it is between the mother and her God. However, as an adoptive parent with adopted grandchildren because of infertility, I have thanked God and the birth mothers every day of my life for giving me a family.

it's a shame that adoption is so financially prohibitive - sm

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There are children who want to be loved, and parents who want children to love. We should be able to match up these wanting parents with needy children post haste - before they reach the advanced age of 2 or 3 - at which point they are less desirable to many families. I am happy for the joy these children have brought to you and yours.

This post - sm

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was supposed to be in answer to the post regarding the Breitbart blog blaming Obama for the Akin's comments. sorry it showed up in the wrong place.

Until I have walked a mile in their shoes.... - SK

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It does not matter here what my personal opinion on abortion is.

I wish blessings on the women who chose to see their pregnancies through and the same blessing the women who chose otherwise. I will not judge them. Others will think differently, but I feel those decisions are between them and their God.

I agree with you, EXCEPT for late term abortions (sm) - Aunt Sue

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I do believe it's between a woman and God. However, if it is being used as a method of birth control, or late term, then I don't believe it should be performed except maybe under extenuating circumstances.

late-term abortions are performed solely for health reasons - (I'm sure you know that)

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They'd like you to think that - sm

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I don't.

"They" who? - nm

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nm

late-term abortion is not performed on request - sm

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Late-term abortion is performed only when rigorous medical criteria have been meet. It is not performed upon request. You are free to think otherwise, but I think it's important to realize that your conclusion has to do with willfulness, not knowledge.

I don't believe that for one minute. - LM

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nm

Who cares what you believe? - SM

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Lemme ask you something... have you ever worked in MFM? I have. And I have seen first hand the devastation when a woman (and their partner) come to the office beaming with excitement to have their 20-week ultrasound, anxious to find out whether they are having a boy or a girl, only to find out that the baby will have either no chance at life or absolutely no quality of life at all if carried to term. Instead of knowing whether to paint the nursery pink or blue, they now know to invest in a coffin instead of a crib or decide whether to terminate the pregnancy. Do you have any idea how desperate these people are to be parents, and do you realize that whichever painful decision they make they are doing in what they feel is the best interest of their child, themselves, and their family? Now, if it were up to you, these people should be forced to carry on with a pregnancy - even though they feel it is cruel - because you "don't believe that for one minute?" Because you have a hunch that there are women out there using late-term abortion as a form of birth control? Get over yourself. Ever seen a baby born with anencephaly? I have. We did have a patient who decided to carry to term, the baby was born alive, and she came in to visit. The baby eventually died, of course. You need to realize that the decision to continue with a pregnancy under circumstances like these is not the choice all women/couples would make, and no one should have to submit their circumstances to you or anyone else in order to your approval to do what they feel is right.

Just as I don't care what you believe, so I won't read. (sm) - LM

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Childish.

Cruel. - sm

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And nearsighted.

truth and wilfullness are not compatible - nm

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"Childish" is closing your eyes, putting your - fingers in your ears, singing...

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...."La la la la la....if I can't HEEEAR you, it's not truuuue!!!"

Kinda like pointing out what a failure Obama is - (sm) - nm

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lalalalalala - What? I have my fingers in my ears, I can't heeeear you.

Grow up - SM

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The subject here is late-term abortions for women who are carrying fetuses with devastating conditions which are not detected until later in pregnancy, and you take it as an opportunity to get an Obama supporter slam in? Nice.

you are free to believe as you wish - sm

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As i posted above, it's important to realize that your conclusion has to do with willfulness, not knowledge.

Thanks for giving your permission - to believe as I wish - nm

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Sigh.

lol. that's not what my post was about - (and I think you know that)

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It's not within my scope to grant anyone permission to do anything. Aren't you giving me a little too much power?

I admire your respectful and loving response - nm

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ditto (nm) - bootstraps

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