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Zimmerman and Arias trials

Posted: Jul 6, 2013

I am amazed at people who make bad decisions and lie. Why not bite the bullet, admit your mistake and pay for it.

Sad that people who have been given so much would allow themselves to get caught up ugliness, take another person's life and ruin their own.

Aggravated that they would lie to stay out of prison when that is exactly where they belong and neither show any remorse for what they have done.

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Arias yes, Zimmerman no - sm

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Arias was convicted. Zimmerman is innocent. Last I heard Zimmerman's trial is still going on, so he is not guilty (yet). Today I heard that Zimmerman's mother and uncle took the stand today and said the man screaming in the tape for help was Zimmerman. Guess it will be up to jury to decide.

But, no, if he is found not guilty and he really did not do it he does not deserve to go to jail. That would really just suck if people were thrown in jail for trying to protect themselves and the perp accidentally is killed. Talk about not being able to protect yourself.

If the jury and evidence finds him guilty then yes he should go to jail.

what about Trayvon trying to - protect HIMSELF

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I suppose that does not come in to play in your imagination though, huh? Trayvon was the one being stalked, followed, profiled for being "black and wearing a hoody on a rainy night." In my estimation he had every right to protect himself, as well as you seem to think gz had a right to protect himself. Using a gun to kill someone who you think is pummeling you is not acceptable. gz had years of experience with MMA. Trayvon did not. Gz has a history of violence and racial profiling. Trayvon had "experimented" with marijuana in the past or even in the near present... but so what? many "kids" of his age experimented with that type of thing. They did not end up getting shot for it or convicted by public opinion. He was still "just a kid." Maybe he still had some growing up to do. Maybe his experience with the "white world" was not very pleasant in his years of growing up, but that still does not mean he deserved what HE got either. Talk about wrongfully convicted! He does not have a "choice" for a jury to find him guilty or not... he is dead! Blame the victim! I hope GZ has the soul to deal with this for the rest of his life...but obviously he does. He shows no remorse whatsoever and his "apology" to the parents of the deceased was much less than heartfelt!

The - person

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said that if Zimmermann is found guilty he should go to prison. It seems like you are convicting him without knowing all the facts. Unless you were there, you don't know either, so you can't say Trayvon was a poor little kid either. That is why we have a court system to present facts from both sides. By the way, there are a whole lot of people who are in prison for murdering people and all the victims are not there either, so this is no different. They are convicted due to evidence, witness accounts and other things, just as Zimmermann will be either proved guilty or innocent.

Oh brother - sm

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Looks like you are the one with quite the imagination. TM was not being stalked or profiled. He was not in his neighborhood he was a stranger. Mr. Zimmerman was hired to watch out and protect the people's homes. As far as I see it he was doing his job. You do realize that Mr. Zimmerman is not white. He is Hispanic. He saw someone who didn't live in the neigborhood, and yes, if you are there hired to protect the homes of course you are going to find out who a stranger is walking around your neighborhood at night with a hood over his head. If TM was so innocent he should have stopped and talked to GZ and identified who he was and why he was there.

Whether or not you like it, the law is innocent until proven guilty. What that means is everyone is entitled to a fair trial. The jury will hear the evidence and they will decide. I'm glad you are not on that jury because he would not get a fair trial. You've got him convicted when you haven't even heard the evidence. As another poster said you were not there. You don't know what happened. None of us do.

Zimmerman had every right to protect himself too. It most certainly IS acceptable to use any means necessary to protect yourself so you don't become the victim. So in your imagination GZ should have just gotten the pulp beat out of him and had his head smashed into the ground, while some punk is yelling racial slurs at him. Guess you're okay with that, huh.

Maybe GZ could not get this kid off of him. If the kid was on drugs (which sounds like he was), then yeah, some guy getting beat up by a druggie has the right to defend himself even if that means in the middle of the scuffle GZ was able to draw his weapon out to protect himself.

TM was not an innocent kid. Many facts are coming out about him. He was a punk, drug dealer, thief, and wannabe gansta. He was suspended from school many times, found to have in his possession women's jewelry, and a screwdriver used as a burglary tool. (oh yeah, I'm sure all the neighbors felt safe with a thug walking around in a neighborhood he didn't live in that uses screwdrivers to burglarize home.

While TM is not on trial, he should be. His background and just the kind of person he was needs to come out. TM didn't just "experiment" with marijuana. Experiment is trying it once. He was a drug user.

His girlfriend said she didn't think he was scared. She "assumed" he was getting into a fight. Just why would she have assumed that?

I never said in my post he deserved what he got. Nobody does. There are lots of gang and drug related deaths of people who are his age. None of them deserve it, but bad things happen to people.

He is not on trial, so he will not be found guilty or innocent. Mr. Zimmerman is on trial. It will be up to a jury to decide whether or not this was intentional or just a bad accident.

BTW I said in my post "If the jury and evidence finds him guilty then yes he should go to jail". If he is found not guilty he should not go to jail for something he did not do. Nobody should.

You are accepting a proven liar's word - following trial

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GZ has an ADULT history and record of violence. He has lied on prison phone calls and his wife has been charged with perjury. He profiled and stalked a kid walking through the neighborhood and did not identify himself. He was armed and ready for trouble. GZ had no accomplishments, couldn't graduate from community college, had bad credit, and was not accepted by another police department he applied for. He was estranged from his family. All these things point to a LOSER who had nothing to lose and lots of spare time on his hands to plot how he could redeem himself.

All Zimmerman had to do was wait for the police to arrive. It was a small neighborhood, 3 streets. The kid was running away as he told the dispatcher. Running away if you pay attention to his friend's testimony because someone was following him, not because he committed a crime.

GZ is a self-indulgent person who lacks self-control as evidenced by his obesity. He is a BIG-TIME liar, brazen enough to try to hide money from the court even though his phone calls were recorded. He developed a "code" way of speaking to his wife who agreed with the plan and lied under oath.

Zimmerman said he was afraid he was going to die but all he had was 2 small lacerations on the back of his head and a nick on his nose. He refused transport to the hospital to see how serious his injuries were or get further testing. That is because he lied about how he got the injuries. That is obvious because Trayvon Martin had no bruises or lacerations on his hands and no Zimmerman DNA under his nails which would be necessary if he were actually banging Zimmerman's bald head against the cement.

Immediate cessation of screams for help after the gunshot, even though ZImmerman claims he did not know he shot Trayvon and was yelling for the police to find him.

So many holes in Zimmerman's story it is unbelievable people can believe him and make excuses for him. I sincerely think there is an underlying racial issue with people who excuse Zimmerman or accept his story without question considering Zimmerman's history.

I can only hope the jurors will use logic and reason when deciding this case. If they do, Zimmerman will be found guilty.

Wrong - not accepting anything because I have not heard - what he has to say

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I have been reading about this. I don't even know if he's taken the stand or if he's said anything about it. I'm reading the lies put out by the news agencies to sway the trial against Zimmerman. And I'm also reading about the prosecutor who falsified some documents. I did listen to both mothers and part of what TMs girlfriend had to say, but for the most part I get my news about the trial from news stories. Which is kind of hard when you find out the news agencies have been lying to paint TM out as some innocent angel. Then they doctor his picture up to sway the public into a hate against the other guy actually saying he was white.

I'm going by what I read about this trial. Zimmerman is not on trial for things that have happened in his past.

All I know is I hope the jurors look at the evidence and they follow the laws and either vote g or ng. I don't hope for a guilty or not guilty verdict (like you do), I hope for the right verdict.

What it all boils down to is you were not there. None of us were, so you DON'T KNOW what happened. It's just your opinion.

The story is sad all around for everyone involved - INCLUDING Zimmerman and his family.

guilty evidence - no questions

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You can listen to what Zimmerman had to say during his reenactment video, his call to dispatcher, and police interrogation videos. It was part of the testimony introduced by the prosecution. You can hear his conflicting stories. It is on youtube if you missed it.

I don't know what happened nor will the jury know what happened nor does the defense or the prosecution. That is why evidence that you apparently missed is introduced. If every murder had to have a witness, I doubt many murderers would be sent to prison.

What GZ did in the past, his MMA training, his domestic abuse restraining order, his attack on a police officer and his general state of mind regarding being estranged from his family, unsuccessful in school, and with bad credit, all paints a bigger picture of what he is capable of now and on February 26, 2012. And if that is not enough, listen to Zimmerman plot with his wife on prison phone calls to hide money from the court. (That would fall under the category of being capable to plan dishonesty and brazenly lie, not just Zimmerman but his wife, part of his family and his sister also allowed money to be switched out of Zimmerman's account to hers)

I don't feel sorry for GZ. He started the problem and he now pays the price. I also don't feel sorry for his family who continue to believe a proven liar.

All I'll say is this - Person you replied to

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I will leave it up to the jury. They are the ones who will decide. If they find him guilty he should go to jail. If they find him innocent then people should leave him alone.

Yeah, I do feel sorry for Zimmerman's family. I also feel sorry for Martin's family. Tragic accident that happened. All lives are affected. I just hope the right decision is made whether they find him guilty or innocent.

But don't worry yourself too much, it's already been said that if they don't convict him there will be people out there that will riot and hurt innocent people if they don't get their way. People who have decided what they are going to do without hearing all the evidence, so am sure you will be happy about that.

GZ was not "hired" to "protect" the neighborhood - by anyone. He was

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a "volunteer" member of a neighborhood watch program. Volunteer means they are not paid by anyone to protect anything, and even neighborhood watch programs advise NOT to engage anyone "suspicious," just to "report it to the POLICE" and let them deal with it if in fact there is anything going on! He was not even the "captain" of the neighborhood watch...just a "volunteer" to keep his eyes open.

You also keep bringing up Trayvon's past history and calling him a drug abuser and drug seller, and you have no "proof" of that either,... only what the media has hyped and that may not be true either. You keep saying also that Trayvon was "beating' GZs head into the ground and GZ was in fear for his life. GZ had two small abrasions on his head that did not even require stitches. I hardly think that was being "beaten to a pulp" or "beaten into the ground." you say that I already have GZ convicted, and it sounds like you already have Trayvon convicted of being the perpetrator, and he most definitely was not. YOU don't have all the facts either and yet you seem to KNOW that GZ was innocent when in fact he was not. He should go to jail just for the fact that he took another person's life. In that, he is guilty!

He was still part of Neighborhood watch - Do you even know what that means?

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Doesn't matter if they paid him or not. He was part of a neighborhood watch. In my neighborhood that means designated people will walk the neighborhood and keep an eye out on our homes, of suspicious people who don't belong here, who are hanging out, who are pacing around surveilling houses, and who are wearing hoods over their heads that look like gangsta type. I feel safer there are people out there to do this.

He is an admitted drug user. Specifically THC. Toxicology reports are out about that. I'm glad that was allowed as part of the trial as it should be. He didn't just "experiment" or use in the past. He was an admitted drug abuser. Just the facts.

I saw GZ's head. He looked pretty beat up to me with gouges and blood running down his head.

Yes you do keep showing that you have GZ convicted. Yes, GZ does not have the greatest background. Never said he was innocent. Yes he has lied, yes on a lot of it. Not saying he is innocent, but neither is TM. TM is a known drug abuser, kicked out of schools, always in fights, into drugs and guns, wants to be a gangsta, so no, he's not no innocent child. He did not deserve to die, but if the facts come out that it was a horrible accident (which by the way we don't know all the facts yet), then GZ should not have to go to prison for something he did not do. If it was a horrible accident (which we won't know until the trial is over), but if it was a bad accident and happened because this guy was on top of him beating him slamming his head into the ground and in amongst this scuffle he accidentally shot him, that is not premeditated. Too many people here are ready to hang him and you too have been fed a bunch of lies by the media painting quite a different story than the truth.

I feel bad for all parties involved. I hope the jury makes the right decision.

GZ killed someone.... that alone shows - that he is not

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"innocent". Killing someone, is a criminal act. He did not kill in self-defense. Yes, I know very well what a neighborhood watch is and what it is all about. People "volunteer" to keep an eye out, not necessarily to "walk the neighborhood" looking for people who wear hoodies. They are to keep a lookout for things that are suspicious and report it to the POLICE if they indeed think it is a threat to peace. They are NOT to engage on their own like a "wannabe" cop. They are NOT to be carrying weapons. GZ never told the police when he was on that 911 call that he himself had a gun and following an innocent. He should have informed them he had a weapon on him. The police would have responded much quicker had he told them he was carrying a weapon and following a suspect, as they (the police) would suspect that a situation of following and confronting someone would escalate to the point as it did in the end, with someone being killed. GZ was at fault for this, just for that alone. HE did not follow the neighborhood watch rules.

as far as TM and his drug use. Yes, he tried marijuana, but even the toxicology report indicated that the amount of marijuana in his system was VERY MINUTE... Nothing much to speak of at all. For such a "drug abuser" he had no drugs on his person when found lying dead in the mud. For someone who was so "into guns" he had no weapon on his person, but GZ did, and just going to Target to buy snacks, AND it was loaded, AND it had the safety off. Who goes to Target to buy snacks with a loaded, safety-off weapon, unless he intends to use it? Perhaps he was in such an internal rage that he was going to blast up the Target store and take more innocent lives?? Just because TM was wearing a "hoodie" does not make him a gangsta-type. Carrying a loaded gun into an innocent store makes GZ more of a "thug" than TM was.

You have TM as the convicted killer here and he was the innocent. Yes he had been kicked out of school. How many teenagers these days DO get kicked out of school for various things? Do THEY ALL deserve to be shot at point blank range? Your thinking is skewed. It is not the media feeding me lies, as I have been watching the trial. You even admit you only get your opinions shoved down your throat by the news reports on TV as you have not even watched the trial... so you have no idea whatsoever what the actual "truth" is. you are just believing what you choose to believe, and nothing more. You say I have GZ convicted, well, you are on the opposite side (and that is your right) and you have TM convicted, and you don't even watch the trial so how would you know anything over and above the so called "lies" that the media is hyping?

and dare I bring up the "real reason" for this trial in the first place?? This is not about a crime that was committed. This is not about a 17 year old child being hunted down and killed by a wannabe killer/cop. This is all about RACE. it is once again Black against White. The whites are innocent, and the blacks are the thugs, gangsta's, drug abusers, the only ones ever suspended from schools, always in fights, into drugs and guns, hoodie wearing perpetrators who make threats to innocent people, break into homes, stealing things, and hating white people. this is a racist trial and everyone knows it but will not speak the words. Blacks are just automatically guilty and whites are just automatically puritanical and would never take a life without cause. HA! WRONG on so many counts!!

Wow - - with your logic - sm

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Nobody will be able to protect themselves anymore. If a woman is being raped, strangled or beaten or anyone whether it's man or women is getting beaten up or their lives in danger guess they should just lie there and take it because God forbid they do whatever they can to protect themselves and it results in the accidental death of the one attacking them then according to you they should go to jail.

Nice!

wow... - with my logic

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for your information....I HAVE been raped, strangled AND beaten, and my life has been in danger more times than I can count on one hand, and YES, I do believe I have a right to defend myself and have...BUT, I have never killed anyone. I have never even THOUGHT about taking the life of another, no matter what they do to me or have done to me. My body may be bloodied and soiled, but my soul is clean, and so is my conscience. Thou shalt not kill has a meaning, and that means no matter what the circumstances. There are other ways to protect oneself other than killing the one who is violating you. God's words...not mine.

TM was on top of him beating him up - He had the right to defend himself

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Don't believe, "golly gee sonny that hurts. Will you please stop" was going to work. I myself have had personal experience too. I have been in dangerous situations. You do what you have to do to stay alive. PERIOD! God will deal with the one who is doing the wrong.

you do not know for sure that TM was on top - you just want to think he was

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not even the trial has actually "proven" who was where and doing what to who. Talk about convicting somebody first before the trial is over. Why? because he was black?? Thou shalt not kill. GZ probably did the injuries to himself before the cops even got there. If you remember the police videos of them bringing him into the station for questioning, he had no blood on him whatsoever. hmmmm...

OMG - are you serious. Have you been keeping up - with this - sm

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(CBS/AP) SANFORD, Fla. -- A nationally renowned gunshot wound expert testified Tuesday that Trayvon Martin's gunshot wound was consistent with accused murderer George Zimmerman's story that the teen was on top of him and leaning over when he was shot.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57592866-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-trayvon-martin-was-on-top-of-zimmerman-when-teen-was-shot-gunshot-wound-expert-testifies/

You just don't want to believe it's true. The people who have training and expertise in this know. You don't. Please don't even pull that racist bull stink with me. You don't know who I am, what race I or my friends are. So that can stop right there. This has everything to do with forensics, science, and proof. Yeah, I DO remember seeing GZ. He looked pretty beat up with his head gashed and bleeding and looked like he had been in a skuffle.

yeah....ok....whatever....I am minority also - so you can stop

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right there also. Head gashed and bleeding bs too. two "minor" abrasions. Even the PA who treated him said he did not even need bandaids but put them on because he had "asked" for them.

as far as these so-called experts...anybody can be paid anything to say anything these days. After the Arias trial and the stream of so-called experts that were put on the stand, I don't believe any of them. The defense pays these people to testify. They will say anything for money and to the highest bidder. If the prosecution had paid them for the testimony, it would have been skewed differently. GZ has millions to pay these people to say things in his defense, money he tried to hide from the court and lied about under oath. yeah...he's believable alright. The defense even wants to put an "expert" on the stand with an animated version of how the event took place. Prosecution ripped him a new one while asking him where he got his information as to how to program the animation. He got his information from the defense. had not followed the trial at all, never spoke to the ones that were on the scene and really had no idea how the event started and who attacked who.. all he knew was what the defense told him, and that was how he programmed his so-called animated version of the events. Truth and justice my behind....all goes to the highest bidder. GZ started the altercation and he finished it. Who's on first and who's on third makes no nevermind. It was even stated yesterday that GZ may have gotten his injuries from tree branches, not cement. all lies. all of it. The big picture is that GZ killed someone. period. He shot an unarmed kid to death simply because he did not like him. period. Pay the price.

yeah, sure you are. I'm the Queen of England - and I've got a bridge for sale

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In your mind you want it all to be lies so that is what you believe.

I will leave it up to the jury.

Not worry though, if he is found not guilty people have already said they will riot and go after him to kill him, so your wish will come true.

PAID expert - I want that job

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For the right amount of money, I'll tell you what you want to hear and I will use lots of legal and medical mumbo-jumbo to confuse the jury. Please. I'll only charge $50.00 an hour unlike this defense "expert" who charges $400 an hour.

Having said that, I am quite sure there is an "expert" out there who will disagree with my "expert" testimony with lots of legal and medical mumbo-jumbo. It's a game.

GZ is not being charged with 2nd degree murder for nothing or on a whim.

Zimmerman's history - for review

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GZ put himself in a "dangerous situation". He was an armed adult who profiled, stalked and killed a teen he DEEMED suspicious. He was LOOKING for trouble.

One must wonder if GZ had issues that drove him to arm himself and look for trouble. He was apparently a loser at life failing to be accepted as a police officer, had bad credit, was not paying his rent, had run-ins with the law attacking a police officer, a restraining order from his ex, estranged from his family. If you look at his medical records he was taking psych medications as well.

Innocent? - me

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I believe based on Zimmerman's background of run-ins with the law and violence as an adult, he is lying. In any case he did indeed profile a young black male, followed him, confronted him and ended up killing him. What if Zimmerman just called the police to notify them of a "suspicious" (because he was black?) male and then went where he said he was planning to go originally. What if he would have just let Trayvon run away like he told the dispatcher?

I think Zimmerman wanted to be hero and he decided he was going to capture Trayvon and hold him for the police. Trayvon fought back and he was shot and killed. Zimmerman is guilty of taking another person's life.

Suspicious? - profiling

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Thing is this....if you have a neighborhood where no black people live and you have a black guy, looking "thuggish" walking around, that is suspicious. It's not necessarily profiling, but if people like him don't live there, it would cause concern.

Same scenario, if you have a neighborhood where no white people live and you see a white guy, dressed thuggish, walking through, it would cause concern as well.

Guilty - me

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Obviously there were black people in the neighborhood as well as other ethnicity groups. Brandy Green, her son Chad and Trayvon Martin lived there. They are black. I believe the kid walking the dog who witnessed the fight was black as well. This appeared to be a mixed neighborhood from what I saw.

Zimmerman did want to be a "hero" perhaps because he could not graduate from community college, had bad credit and had other problems with the law.

Where Zimmerman's thinking was "faulty" (stupid) is what burglar would case houses on a Sunday early evening when most people are at home in the rain with no means of transportation?

I think Zimmerman is lying.

how does one look thuggish? - sm

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Do you understand that saying someone looks "thuggish" is bias? What did Trayvon do, I wonder, to look thuggish? Walk around talking on a cell phone, like every other kid and half the adults in America? Was it the hood? The skittles?

GZ even remarked on the phone to the police that the kid looked like he was on drugs. I wonder how that looks? I bet it looks a lot like a kid talking on a cell phone while walking at night with iced tea.

I'll tell you how - sm

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Here's how you look thuggish. Walking around in a neighborhood you don't live in with a hood over your head. Kind a like the thug who had a hood over his head pacing back and forth in front of my neighbors house then then broke through and tried to rape her. He had pants hanging down with his underwear coming up.

C'mon, you know very well when someone is looking like a thug.

You are accepting a proven liar's word - Zimmermanguilty

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1. Trayvon belonged in the neighborhood. He was staying with his father's friend.
2. Lot's of people wear hoodies, including my 4-year-old neighbor.
3. A proven liar is saying Trayvon was pacing back and forth. Actually he was headed home, taking shelter from the rain, and talking on the phone.
4. He ran because he became aware that Zimmerman was following him and that was testified to by the person he was on the phone with.

Trayvon was a skinny kid with a hoodie, khakis and white shoes. I doubt a "thug" who was bent on burglary would be casing homes on a rainy early Sunday evening with most people at home, no means of transportation and wearing khakis and white shoes. As the detective reminded Zimmerman, thugs wear dark colors, black, and Trayvon was NOT a thug.

Yeah people wear hoodies, including the one who - broke in and tried to rape my neighbor

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1. TM did not belong in the neighborhood. He was not a familiar face.

2. Not a lot of people wear hoods over their heads when walking around at night time. Let along a guy who has been kicked out of school numerous times and also has weapons to break into peoples homes.

3. If he says TM was pacing back and forth then yeah, I believe him because that's exactly what the guy was doing in front of our neighbors house before he broke in.

4. He should not have run. He should have stopped and talked to Zimmerman. Most people who are not guilty of doing anything don't usually run.

you are assuming that most people are home on Sunday nights. You should come to my neighborhood or the ones I drive by coming back from whereever I am. Lots of people are not home on Sunday nights.

It's unfortunate that his own actions led to this.

I hope the jury will look at the evidence and provide the right verdict based on evidence.

Blame the victim. - Wow.

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So if a stranger is following you at night and you don't stop and talk to them, you are doing the wrong thing? I would have run away, too.

I've been attacked at night. If I had seen the stranger approaching beforehand, you bet your butt I would have run away. And I might have been uninjured because of it. What idiot would want to stop and talk with a strange man at night who is following them?

And let's not forget the heinous crime of wearing a hoodie. Because everyone who wears a hoodie is a rapist. Hell, I must be one!

Well according to you he would have been the victim - not her. - nm

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That makes no sense. - nm.

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Sure it does - The guy wearing the hood - will always be the victim

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Ridiculous. - nm

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reprehensible - nm

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Denial? - LOL

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1. Trayvon belonged in the neighborhood as a guest of his father's friend. He had been there for a few days. Zimmerman did not know everyone in the neighborhood and according to testimony the neighborhood witnesses had never seen Zimmerman before. I don't know all of my neighbors either and would be hard-pressed to identify who belonged on the sidewalk and who did not. Besides that, even if you don't live in my neighborhood, a person has the right to walk where they choose on public walkways, just like I can go up a few blocks to walk in another neighborhood.

2. It was raining and Trayvon wore a hood over his head. Zimmerman had no IDEA of what Trayvon's school status was and it is not relevant. I have an older neighbor who wears a hoodie to protect himself from the elements because he doesn't want to get sick. He is white. Sometimes neighbors walk dogs in the dark with hoodies up. Other kids wear hoodies because they are stylish. I live in a white neighborhood so I guess the problem for you lies with a black male wearing a hoodie.

3. You believe Trayvon was pacing because your neighbor's house was broken into by a pacing guy? Really? You believe a proven liar. I see pacing people talking on the phone all the time paused at times on the sidewalk or at the store. It has never entered my mind they were gong to break into someone's home or were dangerous. Maybe I lack the will to be a wannabe cop and maybe I'm not paranoid.

4. If a stranger was following me I WOULD NOT STOP TO ENGAGE HIM and I would try to lose the stranger. It was up to Zimmerman to identify himself as a representative of the neighborhood watch and he DID NOT. You are living in the land of denial. I would not advise any teen or anyone else to stop and chat with a stranger who they thought was following them.

I don't know what sort of ghost town you live in or frequent but I can tell by the cars in the driveway people are home on Sunday evening having dinner and watching TV or a movie. Apparently lots of people were home in the neighborhood Trayvon was murdered in because there are a lot of witnesses who heard the altercation and the gunshot.

Try to watch the trial and the evidence and don't judge everyone by what happened to your neighbor. That's is exactly what got Zimmerman in this mess. He judged a young black male and ASSumed he was up to no good but it turns out the teen was walking home from the convenience store armed with a cold drink and a package of Skittles.

Maybe - other's

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believe that with Trayvon's background (punching a bus driver), he did indeed attack Zimmermann. Again, you don't know and neither do I.

I don't remember him saying Trayvon was suspicious because he was black. He was apparently new in the neighborhood. He was staying with his father because he got kicked out of school. Zimmermann did not recognize him. There were also several recent break-ins in the neighborhood recently, so maybe seeing someone you don't recognize caused concern, whether white or black or Hispanic, etc.

GUILTY! - me

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Zimmerman had a restraining order on him from his ex-girlfriend as an ADULT. He assaulted a police officer as an ADULT. As a result he was sent to ANGER MANAGEMENT classes. Zimmerman had MMA training. He liked to carry a gun. He hoped to be a cop. In the meantime, he tried to prove he was a "hero" to make up for shortcomings of adult problems with the law, bad credit and failure to graduate from community college.

Don't know anything about Trayvon punching a bus driver. Surely if there was a history of violence a victim of his violence would have spoken up by now. Zimmerman's lying attorney has done his best to malign this dead kid's name but it has been proven O'Mara lied or as he says "misstated" facts. Trayvon was suspended from school, not kicked out. He did not LIVE with Trayvon Martin and/or Brandy Green in Sanford.

If you watched the trial, introduced into evidence were 5 previous phone calls to the police regarding "suspicious" black men. I believe the 6th one was Trayvon. Sounds to me like Zimmerman was fixated on black males and that is why it was entered into evidence.

so then just shoot them? - is that your answer?

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We have laws that protect the victims, as well as the perpetrators. Trayvon was doing nothing wrong except "looking suspicious" to someone with a wannabe cop attitude. You don't just hunt someone down and shoot them because they "look out of place." GZ is Hispanic. he must have looked out of place too. is he dead??

if GZ was truly concerned about why Trayvon was in the neighborhood at all, there is a much better way of confronting the situation...it's called "communication." Talk... listen...don't shoot and then try to get out of it by pleading self-defense later when the "true" victim is no longer able to speak his side of it.

Lying - GZ lied

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Never once did Zimmerman identify himself as neighborhood watch. Allegedly by Zimmerman's own words, Trayvon asked him if he (Zimmerman) had a problem. That would have been the opportunity for Zimmerman to say yes, he did not recognize Trayvon and as part of neighborhood watch he wondered if Trayvon lived in the community. Instead, Zimmerman LIED and said no he did not have a problem, even though he had followed him and earlier called the police.

Zimmerman has severe mental issues and is a liar too boot as as made evident when he plotted to hide money from the court with his wife on prison phone calls.

His family should be embarrassed for him but instead create lies to defend him. No one, not Zimmerman himself or his family have any remorse for killing another person. They are dysfunctional and sick.

regarding the screams for help tape - sm

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I listened to it very closely. The first several times I listened to it I was more concentrated on the caller and not the screams, but the last 2 or 3 times it was played in court I just focused on the screams.

The screams stop just like a light switch was turned off as soon as the gunshot was fired. Who screams at the top of their lungs at the same time reaching for their gun, then pointing it at the victim's chest, pulling the trigger (still while screaming), and then stops screaming in mid-stream? It seems like the screams would overlap the sound of the gunshot if the shooter was screaming. And it was at the height pitch of the scream too, then abruptly stopped, again like someone turned off a switch.

Zimmerman also claims Martin saw the gun and reached for it and told Zimmerman, "You're going to die tonight." I don't see how that conversation could take place, and be heard and comprehended, if he was panicked and screaming quite loudly at the same time.

I think Martin was screaming and Zimmerman shot him and the screams stopped dead.

This is a scenario Zimmerman went over in his head over and over before the incident (IMO). People who make the decision to carry a gun have to go over all the "what ifs" in their head to prepare for the event, the reason they carry the gun.

Since he was a wannabe cop, you know he had to fantasize about apprehending his "suspect" (Zimmerman's word) and using deadly force to defuse the situation. I think the guy is full of himself.

But as you said, it's up to the evidence provided and what the jury decides is the truth.

GZ is a liar - documented and proven

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Zimmerman said he was yelling for the police so they could find him. He also said he did not know he shot Trayvon. Yet the screams stopped as soon as the gunshot was fired. So why would the screaming stop if he was hoping police would find him and he did not know he shot Trayvon?????

I can only hope the jury uses logic when they deliberate that question. I also hope the jury can see the conflicting stories Zimmerman told. He told his friend who testified that Trayvon Martin approached him and he saw him coming. This was in the police reenactment video. He also told the police Trayvon jumped out of the bushes.

Plus Zimmerman said he was beat about the head many times plus had his bald head slammed into concrete yet Zimmerman has 2 small lacerations that did not need stitches, a nick on his nose and refused transport to a hospital. In turn, Trayvon Martin had 2 small minute scratches on his left hand (Trayvon is right-handed) and no DNA under his nails. How would someone grasp a bald head to slam it into concrete and not get DNA under their nails?

Hope the jury thinks this through and uses reason to sort through the evidence. If they do, they will find Zimmerman guilty.

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