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ABC police surveillance video of Zimmerman
Posted: Mar 28, 2012
It was recorded when the officers brought him for questioning, immediately after he SUPPOSEDLY was punched in the face and got his nose broken, knocked to the ground flat on his back, wrestled around in the wet grass and was put in fear of his life.
He exited the squad car with ease despite being handcuffed, was balanced and standing up straight. The video shows NO blood or mark on the back of his head, NO grass or evident moisture on the back of his jacket, NO bloody nose, NO bandages, NO blood on his shirt or jacket, NO scratch, NO limp or any other kind of body language to indicate he is in any pain, or any behavior whatsoever one might expect from someone who has just killed in self defense. The officers opened his jacket to check his pockets (something you would think they had already done at the scene) with bare hands. Standard investigation protocols call for searches to be conducted with plastic gloved hands. It does not appear it even occurred to the officers that his clothing might be considered evidence that could be used to collect DNA.
This video, along with the report that the lead investigating officer recommendations that Zimmerman be arrested and charged with manslaughter were ignored, not to mention witness tampering, and numerous inconsistencies between the police reports and the 911 calls, etc., should be enough to lead any rational person to conclude that charges should be brought, an arrest should be made and the Sanford Police Department handling of this case should be thoroughly investigated.
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Why are we talking about this on the political board? - sm
[ In Reply To ..]There is nothing in your message that is political. I like your post and all and I agree with everything you said, I'm just trying to figure out why this is on the political board and not the gab board?
You are joking, right? - I bet
[ In Reply To ..]you think this case isn't racial either. Racial profiling is a political issue. Corruption in law enforcement is a political issue. The NRA-sponsored Stand Your Ground law which exists in 17 states is a political issue. Civil rights and equal protection under the law is a political issue. Exposing racism in law enforcement, the media and society-at-large is a political issue. Gross miscarriage of justice is a political issue. The countless numbers of blacks who lost their lives at the hands of racial bigots is a political issue.
Catch my drift?
PS: If this subject were inappropriate for the politics boards, I think the moderator would have intervened by now, don't you?
Did you see anywhere in my post where I wrote - What I am about to write is a joke?
[ In Reply To ..]I pretty much am 100% sure I didn't write "I'm going to write a joke here". In fact I can confirm that...I just re-read my message and nope, sure enough I didn't write that. Here's a hint for you. If someone asks a question and does not write "This is a joke" before what they write you can pretty much be assured it's not a joke.
Did you also read that I agreed with the poster I replied to.
Now...you explained why. I do agree with you. I thought I saw a pic of the shooter and thought he was black, but I must have gotten that mixed up with another case. Yes, with everything you wrote I now see why it's a political discussion.
You know what? I agree with what you wrote. You really could done without the sarcasm. If you just wrote your explaination without the "catch my drift" or "you are joking, right" words it probably would have gone over a bit better. There really was no need for sarcasm. Especially since I agree with you.
P.S. - This was just posted a few hours ago. I'm sure the moderator has better things to do with her time than just sit by this board every minute of the day. So, no, I don't think the moderator would have intervened because maybe she works during the day and hasn't seen all the message yet. I guess I could say the same thing you wrote - catch my drift?
You know I asked a simple question. Just a nice reply would have been nice.
pretty darn good post - IMO
[ In Reply To ..]balanced, tempered, well reasoned.
These discussions have been going on since last Sunday. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]If you scroll down and review them you will see some entries discredit the victim, defend the shooter, and claim the case is not political or racial. Your post resembled some of those earlier exchanges. Those threads have been pretty testy. Since this has been discussed for 4 days already, the moderator has had ample time to move them to the gab board, which she evidently did not feel was warranted.
My grown son is American by birth, Iranian by ancestry, Buddhist by practice, but but Moslem by stereotype. He was racially profiled by police for RIDING A BIKE in his own neighborhood, stopped, detained, and questioned while having his backpack searched and his bicycle inspected for non-existent safety violations. When they got back into their patrol car, my son overheard one of them say to the other, "the camel jockey walks...this time!" He's been confronted with racial profiling in numerous social settings. While attending a house party celebrating his best friend's upcoming wedding, he was cornered by a gun enthusiast family elder who showed him his extensive collection of arms and gruesome photos of Iraqi and Afghani war casualties whose bodies had been dismembered by their fatal injuries. He proudly announced to my son that this is what REAL Americans do to Muslim terrorists living in the US.
When I see pictures of Trayvon, I see my own son. I am also reminded of my ex-husband who years ago (some 180+ days into the Iranian hostage crisis) was targeted by 3 drunk bigots who took exception to his "driving while Muslim." While stopped at a red light and in broad daylight, they dragged him out of his car, beat him with a tire tool until he was unconscious, ran over his body 4 times with a van and left him for dead. There were 4 eyewitnesses willing testify. The perps were apprehended, detained, then released on bond for $52.50 each! The police did not contact a single witness on his behalf, despite my giving them names, addresses and phone numbers. The grand jury NO BILLED the case. The bigotry in the air was so thick you could cut it with a knife. They walked away free, while my husband spent a week in intensive care, a year in physical therapy, and a lifetime dealing with PTSD, which turned him into a paranoid violent spouse abuser whom I was forced to divorce after ten years of marriage.
While state and federal laws cannot annihilate hate and bigotry, they can remove statutes that facilitate and sanction hate crimes and hold law enforcement officials and the legal system accountable when victims are blamed and criminals walk. Our society MUST NOT TOLERATE anything less than that. Trayvon's family has every right to expect his shooter to be arrested so that due process can take its course. I hope they are not denied that the way my ex-husband was. Racial profiling is a fact of everyday life for my son. We spend a lot of time talking about it and dealing with it, and most of the time, I feel like I am at a total loss in knowing how to help him handle it. As you may well imagine, the Trayvon Martin case is deeply personal for me.
If I mistook your post as just another misguided claim that the case is not political or racial, I apologize.
powerful post - -- important, relevant
[ In Reply To ..]wishing you and your son all the best.
To: These Discussions.... - alias
[ In Reply To ..]I have tears in my eyes right now after reading your poignant post! I feel so badly for the events in yours and your families lives that have blackened the American population reputation. I cannot deny what we have become as a community and a nation. This is a very powerful posting of the "way things really are," and my heart just aches for you and your family! We should all hide our faces in shame who think and feel the way the offenders did in your case and Trayvon's case. I would encourage you to share your story with much of the media as you can find that will listen to it, particularly now, as it could provide insight into the fact that this has been ongoing for many, many years, and not just in the Trayvon Martin case. I know that reliving it verbally again may not be "healing" for you at this time, but it may help to stimulate the people investigating this crime against humanity even more so at this time, and help to not just let politics sweep this newest incident, yet again "under the rug," hoping after many months of nothing being done that the public will just "forget about it" and move on to something else. This type of behavior and political action has to stop! It is not what this nation was meant to be at its beginnings, and it needs to change. Please share your story with the media! Nancy Grace, HLN, Dr. Drew, HLN, Vinnie Politano, HLN. I do believe you would have a sympathetic ear with them, especially now and the whole world needs to hear this! My heart aches for you and yours, and I hope that God will step in and change the way things are! Blessings to you!
The thing is my story - is not that unique.
[ In Reply To ..]and my post is only the tip of the iceberg. There are many more "stories" I could tell about being on the receiving end of racial profiling and stereotypes based on my own experiences, and the consequences paid as a result. Unfortunately, profiling "otherness" is not confined to skin color. It plays out on a much broader scale based on national origin, sexual orientation, religious beliefs, gender, even age.
It always kills me when I see some posters talk about how democrats, liberals and progressive "sheeple" are spellbound by political propaganda and led around by their noses. I cannot speak for anyone else, but I can say that my political beliefs have developed over many years of life experience with issues that are acknowledged and addressed by one party while being minimalized, ridiculed and ignored by the other. My first encounter with painful firsthand racial bigotry dates back as far as I can remember to preschool years, in fact. Grew up in the south in a family of wealth in the 1950s, raised by a black nanny, the housemaid and "colored" gardener (as folks in the genteel circles politely referred to them)...but that's another story.
Those early lessons thrust me into a lifetime of activism before I even graduated from high school. With the Trayvon Martin case, I've been blogging, signing and circulating petitions, writing and calling my reps, and talking to as many people as possible on the subject. Though I find the long-term nature of these endlessly unresolved racial conflicts frustrating and disturbing, I am really encouraged and comforted by the course the Trayvon Martin case is taking...the mobilization of the social network, media attention, organized protests, response from state and national politicians, and most of all, the diligence of his parents...not to mention the kind words in your post and the one above it. You would be surprised how much it helps to get even one brief expression of acknowledgement, recognition, sympathy or compassion from someone who takes the time to stop for even a moment to think about these issues and express support. Thanks so much for that.
The police report states his nose WAS broken. - Believe what you want and judge ahead of time.
[ In Reply To ..]Hope you never have to go through being judged!!!
believe what you want and judge ahead of time - got young Mr. Martin shot
[ In Reply To ..]A little ironic, don't you think? As for being judged, that's what the legal system is for, and that is where Mr. Zimmerman's judgment should come from. No one denies that; I think that's the whole point here.
Well then, if the police report said so, it must be true, huh? - sm
[ In Reply To ..]The intial police reports also recorded Trayvon's first and last name, his address and acknowledged awareness of his cell phone (which more than likely had his parents phone numbers on it), yet by the time the corpse reached the morgue, it was tagged as a John Doe. Trayvon's parents reported Trayvon missing within 12 hours of his disppearance to the same police department, yet it took them three days to officially notify them that their son had been shot and killed and was laying in the morgue. You don't find that a bit strange?
No blood, no visible injuries, no sign of pain, no evident distress after allegedly being pinned down and having had his head pounded into the cement, his face repeatedly punched, rolling around on wet grass when having to fight for his life, then shooting an unarmed teen to death. If Zimmerman was pinned down, being beaten, calling for help, etc., how was it he was able to get control of the situation long enough to get his gun out of the holster and shoot Trayvon? If Trayvon supposedly saw the gun, as the dad claims, then told Zimmerman he was "going to die," was that before the attack or after Trayvon allegedly pinned him down? On what level does any of this add up to a credible scenario?
If this was self defense, why did the police not collect evidence to back up Zimmerman's claim? He called his dad, a retired judge from an affluent district adjacent to Miami Gardens at some point that night, and planted a convenient piece of evidence, then lo! and behold!, the police chief and state prosecutor were contacted IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. After they weighed in on the case, the recommendations that manslaughter charges be brought against Zimmerman by the lead investigator....who, while at the crime scene, had immediate doubts about Zimmerman's self-defense claim....were brushed aside, and he was released. If the self-defense was so cut and dry, what was so pressing about this case that required input from the police chief and state prosecutor before normal business hours the next morning?
When someone is punched repeatedly in the face and allegedly sustains a broken nose, would you not expect to see SOME KIND OF EVIDENCE of those "life-threatening" injuries on his body or on his clothing? How did the police determine that Zimmerman's nose was broken? He didn't go to the hospital that night, he only went to the police station, then home. Did the police pull out their portable x-ray equipment before reporting the broken nose? Did their expert medical opinion come from their own thorough physical exam or did it arise out of "because George Zimmerman said so, THAT'S WHY," like everything else in their bungled investigation?
Have you ever heard of police corruption? Cover-up? How about conspiracy? Before any proper "judgment" can be made, Zimmerman has to be arrested and charged. If the family, media and public had not expressed this degree of judgmental outrage, Trayvon's case would be closed and collecting dust in a "done deal" file and his family would be living the remainder of their lives out in a world of hurt.
I believe it is his lawyer that said his - nose was broken. nm
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Stand Your Ground - alias
[ In Reply To ..]I just have one question... at first Mr. Zimmerman or his attorney or some police officer or his neighbor/friend who is so vehemently defending him all over the media at this point, or the states attorney stated that if Mr. Zimmerman was feelng threatened, or actually was being beaten by Trayvon, that the "Stand Your Ground" law automatically came into effect and he had every right to defend himself. This was prior to the change to self-defense theory. My question is, if that is the case, then where is Trayvon's right to Stand His Ground, and if he actually attacked Mr. Zimmerman as what is being alleged, where was his right to defend himself??? Why does Mr. Zimmerman have a "right to defend himself" and Trayvon does not??? In my opinion, Mr. Zimmerman pulled his magic ace card out of the deck, his father, a supreme court judge, and now this is all being brushed under the rug. As much as I am against violence, just like every one else, I honestly believe that the uprising this has incurred is a legitimate reaction. OUTRAGE!
Stand your Ground. I have a question. - Define "feeling threatened."
[ In Reply To ..]We do not have a gun in my house. I think there are too many instances where people have them and simply find a reason to use them. I grew up with guns in the house. They were for hunting. My grandfather was a cop, and his gun was always locked away.
Now, let's say I did have a gun and I had a license to carry it. Let's say I am a 200-pound man, and I am walking down the street, in Florida I suppose, and some drunk 110-pound woman comes up to me, mouthing off, calling me names, etc. and threatens to kick my a$$. She slaps me once or twice. Am I going to stand my ground and shoot her? Am I going to stand my ground and hit her back?
What I would do is probably hit her or kick her, whatever it takes to put her on the ground, and then I am going to get the heck out of there before any voilence escalates.
If you and I, being equal size and gender, get into an argument and I lose my temper and slap you, are you going to shoot me DEAD? That is ridiculous. Defend yourself, yes. Have me arrested, yes. But shoot and kill me?
Perhaps this law should be more clearly defined. - Re being threatened?
[ In Reply To ..]Because it sounds to me, in theory, and by the current logic being used in the Trayvon case, anyone can say they "feel threatened" by anyone. No, Zimmerman did not see a weapon. Did he feel threatened because he did not know if Trayvon had a weapon? Well, we meet many people on the street, and we do not know if they are packing. Have you ever opened the door for a stranger? They could have a gun. Do you take a gun to the door?
I don't know what justifies feeling "threatened." Has human life lost all value that we can just gun someone down for the least offense?
I agree.... - alias
[ In Reply To ..]but once again, where was Trayvon's right to attempt to defend himself. The man had a gun. Trayvon did not. Even if Trayvon did hit him, I feel he was within his rights to try to protect himself, just as much as Mr. Zimmerman is now squeeling that he had the right to do.
where i live now, a new law was just put into effect for legal conceal and carry law. I believe that this is going to develop much into the same type of scenario here as in Fl with the stand your ground theory. as the above poster stated... if the stand your ground law takes precendence here, then every thug who is behind bars will now scream self defense and be able to walk away after commiting such a crime, as well. Seems it is only being used for "certain people and certain circumstances" like a judges son!
Yep, and that's political ain't it? People really are not that ignorant. - Nuff said. No message
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I also believe being a judges son has something.. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]to do with the prosecutor refusing to charge him, as well as getting him out of serious trouble in the past. I think the person that interviewed him should have asked him more pointed questions about his involvement instead of allowing a heresay statement.
Legal conceal and carry - mbmt
[ In Reply To ..]Is the place you are referring to putting into effect a legal conceal and carry law Wisconsin? I live in Wisconsin, and I really don't care much for this law. It just seems like a way to encourage vigilantism.
legal conceal and carry... - alias
[ In Reply To ..]yes... I am referring to WI. I live here too and for the life of me, I never heard of anything in reference to it until is passed as a legality. I see nothing good coming from it. If I had known about it prior to being passed, I surely would have voted against it.
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