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Tired of your ridicule


Posted: Nov 8, 2012

"Conservatism is not so much a philosophy as an attitude, a constant force, performing a timeless function in the development of a free society, and corresponding to a deep and permanent requirement of human nature itself."

As an individual who practices conservatism, I am thankful that I continue to live in a country that allows me to speak my words, that allows me to go to the school of my choice, that allows me and affords me the opportunity to make my own choices, that allows me the opportunity to purchase a house, that allows me to go to a church of my choice if I want to, that allows me to drive a car of my choice and that allows me to vote for a candidate of my choice without any fear that I will be harmed for making that choice.

Do I disagree with abortion as a way of contraception, Yes I do.  Do I believe in teaching young men and women to respect their selves and teach them about love and lovemaking, Yes I do.  Do I believe in this for purely self-righteous reasons, No, I believe this because I think it helps mold young people into responsible adults who are capable of making thoughtful educated decisions.  I believe this because I do not want them to contract a disease that they might have to deal with for the rest of their lives.  After all, isn't this one of the 1st true life decisions a young person faces? 

Do I believe that a woman has a right to make their own decision regarding having an abortion?  Yes I do, I think it is a personal decision that one has to be accountable to one's self.  Do I think children should have that right, No I do not.  Many young women have suffered serious medical and psychological problems later in life for decisions made when they simply were not mature enough to realize all of the repercussions.

Do I believe the government should pay young single mothers continuously because they have a child with an unidentified father?  No, I think we should be a country who teaches and helps.  I believe the government should furnish training for these mothers.  I believe the government should help place these mothers in a job.  I believe the government should help with appropriate, caring and safe childcare and help with housing subsidies if necessary but I strongly believe an individual has to feel self-worth and value and more so I believe that every child in this world deserves a chance to feel deserving of a good life.  Do I support the government giving more and more monetary support for having multiple children with unidentified fathers after having been given these opportunities?  No, I do not, I believe in a government that expects their citizens to be responsible and to be accountable for the choices they make.

Do I believe the government should be accountable and contribute to the support of illegal immigrants?  No, I do not.  Like EVERY OTHER country, we should require all immigrants to enter into our country through legal means.  It is a part of our history, it is a part of our country, it is a part of each of us, we should allow immigrants to migrate here for "a better life," but as we have to obey the laws of our country or else be punished, so should illegal immigrants.

Do I believe we should be required to show proper identification to vote?  Yes, I do.  When I go to the bank, I have to provide a picture I.D.  When I use my credit card, I often have to show a picture I.D.  When I get a driver's license for the first time, I have to show records of my birth and a second I.D.  Just starting now, because of so much fraud, if you are a Medicare participant, providers are requiring you to show a picture I.D. when obtaining services.  I cannot help but wonder why there are so many people objecting to providing identification when you vote. 

Do I believe in a Supreme Being?  Yes.  Do I call that Supreme Being God?  Yes.  Do I dislike, talk about you, think you are a horrible person because you have chosen not to believe?  No, it is your choice and as mentioned above I believe in individual accountability.  But if you don't believe, does it make me furious because you think your rights are more important than mine, that I am not allowed to use the word "God" in public, that for some reason because I am a "believer" I have fewer rights than the "nonbeliever."  If you want to see who are the aggressors regarding religion, just listen to the news, every day someone is complaining that something to do with religion offended them, or better yet, review the recent Democratic Convention videos.

Do I favor more personal and economic freedom?  Yes I do.  I like making my own decisions and spending my money the way I want to.

Do I believe the government has the right to run up large debts and then throw the burden on the taxpayer?  No, I do not.  I believe the government has the responsibility and accountability to make budget decisions that are affordable to all citizens of the U.S.A.  Can you go to the grocery store and buy steak when you only have enough money for hamburger?  Will the government occasionally have to borrow money because of financial crisis?  Yes, of-course, but I expect them to use those monies responsibly and buy hamburger, not steak, and know how they are going to satisfy the debt without risking the stability of the entire USA.

Do I believe there is a need for some government regulation?  Yes, I do, both on the federal and state level.  I think there needs to be some economic regulation to curtail corporate greet.  I believe there has to be safety regulation to ensure safe working environments.  Does it disappoint me that corporations and business owners do not feel these responsibilities without regulation?  Yes it does.

This country was founded by adventuresome individuals who wanted a NEW world and later fought to keep that world, fought for their right to live in freedom without a government making personal decisions on their behalf.

Well, I am a conservative and these are my basic beliefs.  According to the majority of the posts on this board this makes me a mean, hateful, stupid and prejudice "pub" (whatever that means).  But it is okay, I have harbored worse, bring it on.

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I'm not going to ridicule you. - grits

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Freedom to believe as we wish is a beautiful thing. But I wish you'd edited this:

"Do I disagree with abortion as a way of contraception, Yes I do not."

I don't, as a rule, edit for free (meaning I don't nitpick people's grammar anywhere online; Muphry's rule is a thing) but would you mind clarifying that?

Let me add, however - grits

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that a lot of what you wrote is common sense. I don't think a rationally stated post such as you wrote is worthy of ridicule. I think most of us would agree in spirit with your stance; we may just differ on how far to go or what approach to take to combat the problems.

We can disagree without being disagreeable, KWIM? I'd like to think that the POB in this country will figure that out sometime soon.

You've confused yourself with the people who've dragged - the GOP down. Make no mistake,

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anyone who can fill a page with affirmative statements of what she believes in--instead of what she hates--and without once attacking other people or sprinkling her page with lies and distortions in an attempt to make her case--is NOT the sort of person who is being complained about.

The only negative I have is your overly defensive, aggressive "bring-it-on" attitude. You should have examined the statements you complain about and realized they were talking about a very different kind of person, a personality type everyone everywhere has become all too familiar with.

By the way, your initial statement? You sure that doesn't also describe...absolutely everybody capable of contributing positively to a political system? I am the one who posted about the difficulty with defining conservatism, and here's illustration #3. :)

Anyway, WELCOME to discussion.

I am tired of being called a communist who wants her stuff. - sm

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That may be why you get called a hateful pub.

I'm guessing she's not one of those, SM. Could be wrong, - but she's actually FOR stuff. Imagine!nm

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I have heard the "bring it on" on this board before - One of the usual whistles

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The conservatives can justify their personal beliefs until the cows come home, but until they do some heavy soul searching in regards to tolerance and acceptance of others, to include treating everyone fairly on a level playing field, the conservatives will be floundering. This is something that comes from the heart, not the head.
Conservatives come in all flavors, some considerably - more open minded than you seem to imagine.sm
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Society needs a good blend of sensible people. SENSIBLE conservatives provide ballast to the ship of state and keep liberals from tossing all the "extra" fuel overboard to see how fast it'll go without the weight. OTOH, without liberals the ship might spend its entire life anchored in port or end up retrofitted with oars. :)

Do it right, including sitting firmly on the wingnuts who'd sink the ship for spite, and we make a much better whole than just the sum of our parts.
I consider myself a liberal - and feel a lot like you do.
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So there you go.
No surprise here. - A lib. :) nm
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As do libs, something that seems to escape the OP's - all-inclusive "your ridicule" broad brus
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I would like to see a Conservative "stand up" and post - that it is wrong to suppress votes -sm
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They need to break away from that lock-step party line chorus and state what is right and wrong with some integrity and sincerity.
And I would like to see a liberal "stand up" and post that it's wrong - to suppress the military's votes
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None of them have, however. Just come on and ridicule anyone who brings up the fact that the military's vote is suppressed.
That none do here doesn't mean there aren't plenty. - Maybe that more "easily disgusted"
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characteristic of the conservative personality tends to keep the decent ones away from the fray more.

The rabid right wing lives for the dog fight, of course, as long as they can attack in a pack.

While moderates and liberals... Well, we probably are able to tolerate more nastiness here before being overwhelmed in the same way we're more able to sit and ignore even a whole pile of used kleenex that would make some conservatives really feel a need to get up and leave.
Have you not been reading the board? - Conservatives are against voter suppression
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We are against voter suppression ON BOTH SIDES. That is what we've been trying to explain over and over. Both sides commit voter suppression, but no libs have stood up against voter suppression when the democrats are doing it. They claim someone having to stand in line to vote is voter suppression, but they think its okay some a conservatives vote to be suppressed if they are wearing a Romney t-shirt, but it's okay to wear Obama paraphenalia.

Liberals are only screaming above voter suppression on one side and ignoring the facts that it's happening on their side. Have not heard one liberal against it.
I don't know why - RC
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people are obsessing over the case of the t-shirt, but I'm guessing that kind of stuff happens a lot. A lot, a lot. By both parties. One person gets picked of the line and another doesn't...But we never hear about it.

I don't know, call me crazy.
Dishonesty, RC. The right engaged in bald-faced attempts - to disenfranchise millions across the nation,
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by either actually literally disenfranchising them, convincing them they wouldn't be allowed to vote, sending robocalls and mail giving people the wrong voting date and addresses, closing polls on popular voting days, "losing" the records of vast numbers of people who'd been on the voting rolls, and engineering lines so long many simply had to leave before voting. We don't know how many computer votes were hijacked; we just know it had to have happened.

NOW, those conservatives who sat quietly for two years while this happened in state after state right in front of us (expecting it to benefit them) are restyling reality to claim that subverting the American electoral system is just something "everyone" does--the T-shirt being "proof" they're still just as true-blue American as anyone.

Consider me standing up. - ZvilleMT
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Voter suppression is absolutely wrong. I'm all for everyone who is a legal American citizen to vote in every election. Please understand there is a difference between wanting to make sure every vote is a legitimate vote and making sure that certain people don't vote - the former is how elections should be run, the latter should never, ever happen.
TY, absolutely refreshing - IluvSocialSecurity
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I will start reading your posts. From reading between the lines on your post, I think you are a Voter ID advocate. I disagree because there have been very few cases of voter fraud proven and it would cost millions to implement.

I am for a national voting policy. If it were to include voter ID in order to get rid of the suppression (long lines, intimidation, questionable ballot counting with machines and partisan officials) I would go along with it.
Cost millions - What a crock
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Please....cost millions to implement...you know you have to have an I.D. and you pull it out of your pocket and have it ready when you sign in. And yes, I believe it should be a national policy, same law for all.
Agree. NM - RC
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Speaking of intolernce, your post shows you have none - A conservative patriot
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We don't need to "justify" our personal beliefs. We need to justify nothing. We believe. We don't ask you to justify, and nobody should be telling anyone to do any "soul searching". At least we have souls.

As for tolerance and acceptance of others, it is something you lack as evidenced by this post. The liberals will scream tolerance and acceptance, and reading the posts over the last month or two (and longer), tolerance and acceptance is something the liberals have proven they do not have. Conservative posters on this board have been harrassed, name called, ridiculed, called racists, baggers. Assumptions have been thrown around when posters don't know what other posters read. They have been told they are insignificant, not credible, their posts are not credible, we are greedy because we don't want to work extra to give it away to others who don't want to work, and we are told our links are not credible, even when it comes from a well known news source. If someone doesn't like something they'll come on and say its been debunked. They are ridiculed and called names and called unpatriotic.

The liberals on this board (with the exception of just a couple) do not treat everyone on this board fairly. Ganging up on conservative posters, then posting two or three different messages with more bullying is not "fair".

People should give the same courtesy to others that they want for themselves. Nobody should be ridiculed to the point they just don't come anymore.
See, to me, that's all easily avoided. - grits
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Have you ever thought about why that is? If a link comes from a blog, it's not credible. If something has been debunked, and a real citation is provided, then *the thing has been debunked* and probably should no longer be up for serious debate.

IMO, every OP is responsible for their own research. If some people on this board would take more care with their citations and research before spreading wild rumors, a lot of that would go away. Call me biased, and maybe I am, but I've seen a lot more rumor-milling and dodgy citations on the con side than the lib.
I see your point, however.... - A conservative patriot
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Many of the links provided are not blogs. They are legitimate news sources. A New York newspaper. A local towns newspaper, Drudge, Rense, Fox News, and others. Those are all legitimate news sources.

When something has not been debunked, no citation given, and it's still under investigation that does not mean it is debunked and should be a viable topic to talk about.

News stories are that. Just because people don't like them does not mean they are wild rumors.

Ummmm....sm - JTBB

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"Tired of your ridicule," and yet you start a thread with the sole intention of causing contraversy, basically begging for the very ridicule you say you are tired of. Just amazing.

Wow - talk about ridiculing. - you know.....

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This is exactly what she was talking about. She wrote a very good post and then those come along and ridicule her for it.

She laid things down how she feels, she gets in return snide remarks. She never spoke about anyone in particular here, but you sure came back with a snotty remark.

you go on down the board and read all the posts. Every single post that a conservatives posts something they are being ridicules, bashed, ganged up on and bullied, told what they have to say is not important, lies, conspiracy theory, blah blah blah.

How about giving some conservative posters the same respect you would like. This isn't just a liberal board. It's a board for everyone to post their opinions and everyone should be able to post their opinion without being ridiculed.

There is a lot of upset over the election. So many people had their hopes up. The country is going through a mourning period right now. Yeah, yeah, I know everything is just peachy keen cos you got what you wanted and don't care about how the other half of the country feels (to include not caring that the military's votes don't count), but for as much right that you have to be happy about the outcome of the election other people have that same exact right to be upset.

Try and show a little compassion no matter how hard that is. You may not like what someone has to say, but enough with the snide remarks.

You know what would be great for this board?...sm - JTBB

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A little more political discussion and a lot less group therapy.

In case you haven't noticed, this forum is for political discussion, not so much for "poor little me, nobody understands me." You might also note that "respect" hasn't exactly been the cornerstone of the republican party, much less republican posters on this board for quite some time.

I have no idea what you think military votes have to do with the above poster's pity party.
Good luck with that :) - ZvilleMT
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I have found neither party on this board has much respect for one another, thereby making actual political discussion extremely difficult - although you and I have managed that a couple of times :)
I know...sm - JTBB
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I miss those discussions where there were valid points of discussion without extremes and the blame game. Maybe it'll calm down for a while now. We can always hope :)

I think immigration reform might be in the near future, which should be interesting. Both parties have talked about it forever with some good ideas. I'm hoping congress can start with something like that where there might be more common ground. Who knows, somebody in Washington might actually get something done for a change.
As would I, but I'm not holding my breath. - ZvilleMT
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Unfortunately not much has changed with congress, so I'm not seeing any bipartisanship anytime in the forseeable future. I think everyone agrees we need immigration reform. It would be nice if they would start with enforcing what they all agree on and then go from there - a little give and take. Like you said, we can always hope :)
yeah, that would be great, however... - you know....
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1. Nobody is asking for group therapy. They are asking for the courtesy that others expect for themselves.

2. Yeah, "I" have noticed this is for political discussion. Maybe you should follow what you wrote. I find some of your posts to be political and some to be joining in with the gang to ridicule. And would you like me to tell you how many posts by liberals have come on and said "goodbye dear world I'm never coming back to the board, the liberals are being picked on".

You need to note that respect hasn't been a cornerstone for the democrat party either. I see more republicans respectful than democrats. Just read down through all the posts. As you get closer to the election date it gets pretty wild.

Here is what my comment had to do with the above post (which was yours, so guess you are saying you were giving a pity party). You were ridiculing a poster who happened to post a very good post about how she feels about political issues. There was absolutely no good reason for that. I replied to you that there is a lot of upset over the election. There is a mourning period that over half the country is going through. Yes, we'll get through it, but it takes time. My comments was about not caring about how the other half of the country feels (including the military as their votes are not being counted), just as long as people get what they want who cares about anyone else.

The OP wrote a very good political opinion piece discussion how she feels about issues. I agree with her. This board has become a conservative bashing party. That's not a pity party just a fact.

Instead of being condescending with the "in case you haven't noticed" take a look at your own party because you just described the people in your party and posters on this board.

Sure I would love for this board to be about political issues, but it's pretty hard when every time a conservative posts something within minutes liberals come on ganging up, cutting down, ridiculing and making fun of them to other posters.

Maybe the liberals should make a list of the subjects that conservatives can discuss. Tell us which newspapers, news stations, and internet sites we are allowed to read and watch and tell us ahead of time what we can't discuss here.

Conservatives and liberals will NEVER agree on everything. Some are courteous. Others are not. All we ask is that you give us the same courtesy you expect for yourself.

I can think of something else that would be great for this board. - nm
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A couple small points. - LeonaG

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Before you make any more comments about welfare, please research the system at one of the state sites and find out how it works. Most states require people receiving welfare to search for work; it isn't the free ride that some conservatives have made it out to be. You might also be startled to learn how very little cash welfare benefits are. In my state, it's under $300 per month for a small family. It's impossible to rent a place to live on that, and most housing projects and Section 8 housing have waiting lists that are years long. There are around 1.7 million citizens receiving cash welfare (FITAP or TANF or whatever they call it). Most of those are children. Just FYI.

Regarding religion: The vast majority of the time somebody gets mad at Christians and wants to shut them up is when they open their mouths about religion in a place where they aren't supposed to - like public schools. It's okay for the kids to pray (in fact, it's a guaranteed right), but not when led or suggested by the teachers or school administration. Public funds cannot be used for religious purposes (with some extremely few exceptions).

It seems that we have a lot of pushy evangelicals in the U.S. now who continually want to shove their religion down everybody's throats, even when/where they aren't supposed to. You wouldn't like it if somebody spoke to a public school class about how stupid G*d is and how atheism is the only way to go (and I think it would be illegal); why then do some Christians find it impossible to shut up and scream discrimination when they get caught?

Not to mention, a lot of these incidents get lied about - and it's never the non-religious doing the lying, always the religious. Nobody is trying to force anyone not to follow their religion. But if your religion is telling you that you must proselytize where it's illegal to do so, well, then, you're gonna have a problem.

Because you emphatically DO NOT have a RIGHT to force public school students to listen to your religious stuff in school. You DO NOT have a right to try to slip prayer into school assemblies by claiming "the students voted on it." You don't even have a right to hold such a vote. You DO NOT have a right to continue to have your preachers speak at public schools, giving a religious message (no matter the religion, even a "generic Christianity"). You DO NOT have a right to have religious symbols placed on public property or paid for by public funds. The law has been very, very clear on this stuff for decades. You guys are in some serious denial if you think anybody says you can't practice your religion (which is always the claim). You can - until that practice infringes on others' rights. There are some places where the rest of us have a right to be FREE FROM your religion, and we certainly don't have to pay for it.

Flame away.

Agree. Welfare, though? That's just "code" for blacks. Religion - in our face? The wheel's turning there too,

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though I certainly agree we still have to be concerned. The dominionism movement has infiltrated conservative churches across the nation, and not only would many people would not fight to protect the separation of church and state, but many who consider themselves patriots see no problem with dismantling it. Only in favor of their own religion, of course.

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Before someone says way they were raised, both kids grown and difference between night and day. I just called my daughter to ask a simple question. She works with math, I am slow with it. She does a short form income tax each year, I itemize. My question was what was the standard deduction for a person on short form. I got so much talk back it was unreal from different places charge different, you have to know this and that and I said maybe I am not making myself clear and repeated, saying just ...

I Am So Tired Of The Bull Crap From Both SidesFeb 19, 2011
This board is a prime example of double standards from both sides, hypocrisy on both sides, and the blind following their choosen herd without trying to see for themselves.  I'm just tired of it all.  Thanks for the rant.  I had to get that off of my chest.  ...

Anyone Else Tired Of Bill Collectors Calling?Dec 22, 2009
Just got another call from a bill collector.  This one asked if I can borrow the money from someone or get a PayDay loan...  UUGGGHHH!!!!  Just had to vent a little...back to pounding the keyboard for money now... ...

To Those Tired Of Income Inequality *news*Jan 22, 2014
The world's 85 richest people own the same amount as about 3,500,000,000 people, or the same amount as the bottom half of the entire global population (3.5 billion). See link for more information. ****** Worldwide economic inequality is looking rather bleak these days, according to a new report by relief organization Oxfam. Oxfam's "Working For The Few" report looked at Credit Suisse's "Global Wealth Report 2013" and Forbes' list of the world's billionaires ...

Any Advice For Tired Or Bleary EyesJun 11, 2014
By the end of my shift sometimes, my eyes just ache.  I have gone back to wearing my glasses instead of my contacts to see if that helps.  I enlarge the font and have good lighting but by the end of the day, they just ache ...

Sick And Tired Of The Leftists Thinking They Mar 19, 2016
disturb the peace and break up lawful gatherings where people are enjoying their constitutional right to freedom of speech.  These idiotic protests against Trump are not permitted, meaning no permits were gotten. If they feel so strongly, let them put their money where their mouths are and get a venue and gather there. Why subject common citizens going about their business to their ridiculous childish tantrums.  The left is surely the most insane bunch of freaks I have ever seen.  ...

I Get So Tired Of Stupidity And Ignorance. If Someone Could Show Me (sm)May 08, 2015
a few videos of the Tea Party rallies getting out of hand, acting like the fascists they are called, rioting, killing, looting, any of that aberrant behavior, I'd be very happy.  If you can't, please shut your pie holes.  You know nothing about the Tea Party.  Nothing.  I'll wait for some proof. ...

My 18yo Son And His Girlfriend Have Been Fighting And I'm Tired Of Hearing It.Jun 07, 2010
Here's the thing, I think they spend too much time together and ever since school let out for summer, they have been getting into fights.  And I don't mean arguments.  I mean I hearing screaming and yelling and things breaking in the basement.  So I go in there and what is happening is my son's girlfriend loses her temper and she hits my son.  When I say hit, I mean she punches him in the face, backhands him in the mouth.  My son has a really bad temper, b ...

Clinton's Downfall: Straight White Males Tired Of BeingJul 29, 2016
You liberal women have had your fun dissing males and particularly white male, but it's all going to come home to roost in November. My DH and many other men I know are sick of you.   ...

I'm Sick And Tired Of Paying Hidden Fees On My Bills Oct 22, 2013
like my cell phone has universal government tax to pay for Obamaphones, my internet bill has hidden fees, and my gas/electric bill has $1 dollar added every month to pay for heat during the winter for "those who can't afford it." We pay for this stuff. All the while I'm lowering my lifestyle, growing my own food, walking instead of driving my 18-year-old car....infinity. There, done venting. ...

Does Your Back Feel "tired" After Typing All Day? (SM)Jan 20, 2010
I am thinking that it may be that my chair is just worn out, no support, etc.  After typing all day my spine feels "tired."  I cannot really explain it any better, it does not really hurt or ache.  Curious if anyone else experiences this. TIA ...

Getting Tired Of These "word" Games...nothing Better To Do?Dec 30, 2011
maybe they need their own board.  ugh.  ...

If Benghazi Is Such "tired News,"May 02, 2014
Why has John Kerry been subpoenaed? ...