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House TP threatening to (try to) shut down the government


Posted: Jul 30, 2013

["Sen. Lee and his compadres see things the same way. “We’re now approaching the last stop on the train before Obamacare kicks in with full force and fury,” Lee said in an interview last week. “Sept. 30, when the continuing resolution [to fund the government] expires…that will be our last opportunity to defund Obamacare.” 

 The House GOP is very divided on this, with most reps opposed, but that obviously won't stop the far right from trying. Virtually all observers, including TP, agree that the citizenry will not allow Obamacare to be repealed once it's implemented in January, so we can expect to see more, increasingly extreme attempts to stop it before then.

BTW, the 11 states for which we now have data report 2014 insurance premiums for the lowest cost "silver" policy will be 18-20% below projected regular pre-Obamacare prices.]

"The Latest Republican Threat: Obamacare or Your Life

| Tue Jul. 23, 2013 8:08 AM PDT

A few weeks ago, Republicans unveiled their latest brainstorm: a menu of concessions that President Obama could choose from in order to avoid a debt limit crisis. Privatizing Medicare would get him a debt limit increase for the rest of his term. Cutting SNAP and block granting Medicaid would buy him a couple of years. Means testing Social Security would get him a few months.

The whole thing was childish enough that it died a quick death even among tea partiers. So now they have a new rallying cry: repeal Obamacare or they'll shut down the government. Ed Kilgore comments:

I'm not sure congressional Republicans really want to enter a promising midterm election year just having engineered another phony crisis, but I also don't know if they can put this particular genie back in the bottle. It's taken a few years, but the GOP has managed to talk itself into a very firm belief that this national version of Mitt Romney's Massachusetts health plan is a satanic abomination that will either, depending on which talking point they are following at any particular moment, crash and burn taking the entire U.S. economy down with it, or succeed in seducing Americans to sell themselves into the voluntary slavery of "socialized medicine."

At a time when major elements of the GOP's conservative "base" are already convinced—because they hear it constantly from conservative media gabbers—that the only thing standing in the way of total victory for The Cause is the weakness of GOP lawmakers, the "kill Obamacare or shut down the government" war cry could quickly get way out of hand. It doesn't help that so many conservatives continue to believe, notwithstanding all the evidence to the contrary, that a government shutdown would show Americans how little they actually miss Big Government.

In a sense, I suppose this was inevitable. Republicans are convinced that once Obamacare goes into effect on January 1, it will become popular pretty quickly and repeal will be off the table forever. So the closer we get to D-Day, the more desperate they get to derail it.

For what it's worth, I think Republicans are right to believe this. Behavioral economics taught us a long time ago that people react a lot more strongly to losing something than they do to not getting it in the first place. Once guaranteed issue and community rating and subsidies and all the rest have been in place for a year, even tea partiers will be loath to see them taken away.

So it's now or never. I don't know if cooler heads will prevail on this, but the appeal of combining debt ceiling hostage theatrics with repeal of the hated Obamacare is pretty obvious. We might be hearing about this for a while."

Link to article explaining the congressional moves below.

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Oh, the - games

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people play. Maybe they should just take their toys and go home. That'll show 'em.

Well, I pay some the disrespect of believing they - really have psyched themselves into

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believing some of the terms they use for this, like "slavery."

We sit between two nations that both have offered their citizens national healthcare for decades, and every other advanced nation on the planet has national healthcare, but those realities didn't keep some people from getting themselves all worked up and invested in whatever positions they've taken.

ITM, the web is absolutely swamped with messages telling them this will destroy our own nation if they don''t manage to save it.

Expect the Obamacare-as-end-of-the-world hysteria - mongering to ramp up big time. nm

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Through this whole Obamacare disaster, what I see - Truthhurts

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is people only focusing on the cost of insurance....NOTHING ELSE.

There is much more to worry about with this law than what it's going to cost people in the NEAR future. Look further beyond the implementation of costs. This 'law" is now more than

Looking just at rules, you end up with just 9,625 pages, while proposed rules amount to 7,432 pages and 13,000 is possible.

For a bill to START at 2300 pages to now over 20,000(?) of REGULATIONS AND RULES if you count them by how they are in the Federal Register, it's ridiculous.

I'm sure you saw the photo...that's no joke.






Hurts, would you rather your adjuster flipped a coin? What if - she didn't like your name? nm

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That's exactly what's going to happen with Obamacare - Truthhurts

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The way this law is written, the adjuster will be flipping a coin. They will be the ones to decide if your illness deserves to be treated.

For example, a person who with cancer has to have CT scans or an MRI every few months, then every year to make sure the cancer hasn't invaded other parts of the body. Until that patient is over the "hump," this is necessary treatment. The adjuster may find it too expensive and deny the coverage and that patient would be at risk if the cancer does show up in another part of the body and not found until too late. Is that what you would want?
That's NOT how rules work. Book 8, chapter 12, section 22, - subsectiion C is the instruction. nm
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Obamacare will become popular??? OMG - who wrote this? - George Soros?

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ALL your leaders know it. They'll admit it to Meet the - Press and WashPost, even if not to you. nm

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The TP is not threatening to shut down the government - Truthhurts

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It is my understanding that they are not threatening or trying to shut the government down. They’re only trying to defund Obamacare because it’s destructive and with all the regulations that keep getting added, it’s turning into a very unworkable law. According to the CBO, next year federal taxpayers will subsidize exchange insurance plans for 6 million Americans and fund a Medicaid expansion covering an additional 9 million enrollees. Over time, spending on Obamacare will explode. The CBO projects that spending on these two new subsidies will grow from $48 billion in fiscal year 2014 to $250 billion in 2023—a more than five-fold increase.


Because the Constitution grants Congress the ultimate “power of the purse,” Congress can refuse to fund Obamacare implementation for the upcoming fiscal year without shutting down the government.  It’s done almost every year for different appropriation expenses and it can be done for Obamacare. In the same manner, they can also stop Obama from using an EO to refund it through limitation of funds. That’s been done before, too. It can apply to both mandatory (i.e., entitlement) and discretionary spending. Every year since 1976, Congress has enacted the Hyde Amendment, which restricts federal funding for abortion coverage in the Medicaid entitlement.


 


If you doubt this law is unworkable and costs and/or expenses won't rise, please go to the CBO and see their projections over the next decade.


 


BTW, for doctors and hospitals to keep within budgetary limits, what do you think they will do when the government keeps cutting their payments? Do you think that's something to think about?


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