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Posted: Dec 28, 2011

What would you do? I do need serious advice please.

I feel that I have been treated very badly by my mother-in-law for the past 11 years. From the very first time we met when she blurted out the comment, "It is so nice to know my son is looking at the inside and not the outside," right down to Christmas Day when she "implied" that I was stealing something from her in front of the whole family (she loaded all of the food items I brought except for a small tray of cookies, so I grabbed those and went to put them in my bag when she yells from across the room, "what is she taking, omg," like I am some kind of thief or something). This year, I even had the pleasure of being whispered about, except that she is so loud, I could hear her heartless self.

She is in her early 60s, and acts like a teenager, bouncing all around the place, dominates all conversations, throws out demeaning comments all the time, especially to me and my 2 girls, and then proceeds to whisper to her male friend (she is married but there is always this guy there that she knows from the club and she never leaves his side).

I have begged my husband to intervene multiple times and nothing ever changed. I am at my witts end. I absolutely feel that I have to call her out on this whole "what is she taking" comment because I am so worked up over it that I cannot even sleep.

If there is anything that I can say to this horrible person, please share.

;

is it possible - mtnorth

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that she has a personality disorder or other mental health issue. Does she treat everyone this way or just you?

I am asking because my father in law treats me like something distasteful that got stuck to his shoe, but he does this to others as well.

from only my experience - monster-in-law

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I know she says some pretty mean things about her sister, but then to her face is nice.

She treated the ex-sister-in-law horribly also.

The new girlfriend of the brother, she has not treated badly to her face just yet, but she has said to me that she wishes her son (the brother-in-law) would find a "Fluff" and that she knows a petite blond at the gym who is a complete fluff that would be perfect for him. When she said that, I told her that it bothered me to hear that because he just loves his new girlfriend so much, and I said that he looks like he won the lottery when he looks at her, and I think that fueled up some fire in her behind.

The new girlfriend already has 2 children and the youngest has Downs syndrome and the girlfriend said that she did not want any more kids, and I know this bothers the mother-in-law because she has no grandbabies (hubby and I are not having any either).

I am not around her to know if she does this to any others because she has treated me so bad that I tried only going there on holidays. Now I feel I cannot do that anymore either.

That might be an option; tell hubby you want to - visit YOUR family, he can visit HIS.

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OR yours. But that you aren't going to subject yourself to that kind of verbal and mental abuse anymore. You've got to "look out for Number One", especially if he isn't willing to do it for you. (Not his fault entirely - he's put up with an entire lifetime of browbeating from that woman.)

- Meerkat

This is how I dealt with mine - Sally

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I actually had mine tell me she wanted me dead and actually told me she'd do it herself. She then proceeded to tell her children that I am disrespectful to her (which I wasn't - we just couldn't afford to keep funding her alcohol supply). We told the siblings this and they knew it. So...this is how I dealt with it.

I didn't go over. For months and months. When she called I didn't pick up the phone. DH spoke with her and kept it short (his choice). He went over once but only stayed a couple minutes. I told him I didn't care and I wasn't going to come between family, but he said he doesn't like to see her in her moods. I missed get togethers, holidays, birthdays, picnics, dinners out with everyone. Anything they did I didn't go. Didn't bother me. Didn't want to be around her anymore, and this way she had no way to tell anyone I was disrespectful of her. I once heard some guy interviewed and he said do not allow negative people to affect your life. We would get together with siblings on our own, we just cut off all contacts with "the mother". After 5 or 6 months she invited us over. She never did apologize, but she was nice to me. DH never left me alone with her either, so there were no worries. Now we get along great.

So if I were you I'd stop going. Even if there is a big family gathering. Tell all the siblings you've had it and are tired of being treated so poorly. I'd get together with them on your own, but I'd cut off all contact. Then explain if she wants to be in your life she is going to have to be more respectful. You are her son's wife whether she likes it or not. If she can't be nice then pass.

Wish you all the best. I know what it feels like.

You should've filed a police report on her... after - all, she threatened you with murder. nm

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"Toxic Inlaws," by Susan Forward - mthead

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is a book lots of mistreated DILs have read and swear by. I haven't read it yet b/c my MIL has been better lately (I actually got my 2nd compliment from her this Christmas - 2 in 25 years). I also visit websites for DILs and the other DILs offer great advice. Hope that helps some.

She's got you ... - ILMT

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... and she knows it.

Boundaries. You have none. If your husband won't draw them where she's concerned, it's up to you.

The next time you hear a stage whisper about yourself or your girls, or a comment out loud for that matter, confront her right then and there. Don't raise your voice, don't indicate you're upset, and don't be defensive. Just be matter-of-fact. "Millie, that comment was out of line and I don't appreciate it."

Instead of seething about what you clearly hear her saying, address it. Once she catches on that you're going to stand up to her and call her on her nonsense every time, she may continue to talk trash about you to others behind your back, and you can't do anything about that. But you can, by your actions, demand that she respect your boundaries to your face.

It's a little late now to bring up the "what is she taking" thing. So just try to let that one go, knowing (unfortunately) that another opportunity to confront her behavior will happen soon enough.

Her OPINION of you doesn't matter. It also doesn't matter if she's the town floozie, dresses like a streetwalker, or swears like a sailor. What does matter is her behavior toward you and especially your children. Draw those lines and stand on them.

I know she's got me - thats the problem

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I kind of figured that I would have to call her out right when the stuff happens, but it is so hard to do in front of the WHOLE FAMILY! I tried making my peace with her so many times. I am just livid that she would imply that I was a thief and I seriously cannot get past that right now. She can hate me all she wants, but in front of the family???

I dont think I can stomach another "get together" even if for the sole purpose of drawing my line! I feel like an idiot for not drawing that line 11 years ago, or at some point during all this time. I have just let it continue until the point where I am ready to explode.

I feel betrayed by my husband because he allows this childlike behavior from her and when he has said anything, it has made it worse. I think he would rather I suffer than put her in her place. Well, my big shoulders cannot handle anymore weight on them.

Dont be shy about standing up in front of family; - they should be standing up for YOU!

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- Meerkat

I would tell her off to her face - in front of everyone. - The woman is a bully, among other things.

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That first comment you posted that she said was bad enough. I might have been able to let it slide if nothing else happened. But 11 years of that crap? No way, Jose. If the husband doesn't care enough to stand up to her for you, then he shouldn't care too much if you choose to do it for yourself, and especially your 2 girls. (Heh heh... he might even thank you afterward. After all, you put up with it for 11 years; he's put up with her for a lifetime!)

If she had said those things to me privately, I'd have a little talk with her in private. But since she chose to say all those horrible things to you, and about you, in front of others, I would wait 'til the next poisonous remark came out of her mouth at a family gathering, and then I'd let fly with both barrels. Wouldn't be too surprised if others didn't join in.

My friends and I recently did this to a man in our group who acted like a nice, grandpa-type of guy in the group, but kept disrespecting the women and making lewd comments to them. Turns out he was also taking photos aimed at our private areas on the sly. I went over to him and told him it had to stop, or else he could forget about attending any more of our gatherings. Another friend joined in on the conversation, and when he started to get defensive, rude, and crude, the whole rest of the ladies in our group jumped in, and it became an "intervention".

You are right - monster-in-law

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I am so mad at myself for not doing that sooner.

So, when she does it again, do I just let it fly about the comment that day, or all 11 years of it? I am sure everyone else knows that I am not a thief. I just cant believe everyone just stood there and didnt even try to defend me. I think everyone is so afraid of confrontation.

If I never see her again though, I would not be disappointed, and I dont think I will accept any invites anytime soon. I have never lost my temper before, and I am afraid that once I get going, I might not stop.

I know what you mean about not being able to - stop once you get going! (sm)

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I guess you have to just use your own best judgement, and respond in whatever way you feel works for you in that particular situation, when it presents itself.

I agree that after so many years of remaining silent, that once you do start to speak, the flood gates may open, and you may end up totally flaming her. Which may be exactly what she needs, maybe not.

The rest of the family could likely jump in at that point, because they may have had similar experiences with her. Even if not, I'm sure they were embarrassed by her treatment of you and your daughters.

Unfortunately there's no "one size fits all" response. The responses I've had in the past have often been explosive, but that's because of two factors: One is that I do have quite a temper. The 2nd fact, though, is the longer I bottle something up before I fight back, the more volcanic my reaction is likely to be. But that's just me.

I liked what one of the other posters wrote above, where if you didn't want to totally blow up and verbally incinerate her, you could simply FIRMLY, (and loudly enough for all in the room to hear), tell her that wasn't an appropriate comment, etc.

That's probably the best middle ground. You'd be standing up for yourself, and then the ball would be in her court. She could either apologize, or shut up, or leave the room, or whatever, and that would be that. OR, if she lets fly at you, THEN by all means give her hell! ;)

Knowing what you want to say, and how you want to say it, in advance, with a little mental rehearsing, might help you to remain in control once you decide to stand up to her. Sort of like having a few "aces up your sleeve", so to speak.

And don't forget - when it comes to mastery of the English language, you, as a professional MT, have the upper hand. You probably learn more words in a single weeek, and how to use them effectively, than she will ever know in her lifetime.
(LOL) - now if only I could learn to spell "week"! - hahahaha! - Meerkat
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Stick with the current comment - rather than bringing up past stuff

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Direct any comment towards just what you are hearing at that time. Be very calm and collected (as much as you can) and be very matter of fact and then let it drop. Bringing up past stuff could just blow up in your face and make you look bad instead of turning it around on the MIL. The rest of the family may finally jump to your defense or they may just side with the MIL, since they have effectively been doing that for 11 years. Above all else, you want to avoid coming across as shrill or whiny - not saying that you are, but that you want to avoid that impression.

I would also have a very serious heart to heart with hubby in which you DO bring up all of the past transgressions (and be VERY specific in terms of dates and events, not just general "she says" stuff) and very simply say that unless and until he is willing to talk to his mother and let her know that treating his wife that way is unacceptable, you will no longer go to her home or participate in anything where she is involved and she will no longer be welcome in your home (don't know if that occurs or not, but it would end ASAP if this were me).

Be prepared for hubby to side with mom. I believe in preparing for the worst but hoping for the best.

Good luck.
Thank you. I fully expect that the family - will side with her
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I think I will for certain be the outcast then, but I just cannot take it anymore.

I am livid with my husband for not jumping in when she made the comment "What is she taking, OMG." He needed to put her in her place right then. I told him that we need counseling immediately and if he does not participate, then we will have to separate. I cannot live like this anymore.

Thank everyone for the help. I will post as soon as I have the opportunity to take care of business! I feel empowered now.

(PS)- I once had a college teacher dong that to me. - (sm) - Meerkat

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It was my first semester in college. In my English class, (which I was acing with an "A+" on all my papers), this creep kept publicly making sexual comments to me or about me in front of the whole class, and then putting me down in front of all of them when I tried to ignore him. Meanwhile, I kept doing my work and getting straight-A's.

Back in those days I was kind of a scardey-cat, and, not sure QUITE what to do, and not wanting to drop the class I'd already invested so much time in, for a couple of weeks I just tuned him out. Decided he was "dead" to me, and I never once acknowleged his presence, or even his existence on the Earth. Just stared straight through him when he spoke to me, and acted like I hadn't heard a thing. While he was speaking to me, I'd sometimes even turn and chat with a classmate or two, like he wasn't even in the room.

Finally, when he realized what I was doing, it really enraged him, and in front of the entire class once again, he said something really horrible to me. (I don't even remember what he said, because I'd already been thinking about what I was going to say back to him.) I don't remember exactly what I said back to him, either, but I basically ROARED whatever I said to him at the top of my lungs. The only thing I do remember is how stunned and shocked he was that I actually stood up and fought back. Half the classes' jaws hit the ground, so it must've been really loud, and laced with expletives. But at that point I had been pushed beyond the point of caring anymore. Didn't care if I got an "F" in English, didn't even care if I got kicked out of school entirely.

BUT, for the remainder of the semester, he left me COMPLETELY ALONE. No more comments. No more bullying. He no longer acknowledged MY presence, which suited me JUST FINE. I could now do my classwork in peace.

AND - I still got an "A" in the class.

Reading this makes me upset with your MIL but I - think it almost makes me

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more upset with your husband. There should not have been 11 years of it because he should have stopped it. She is going to take things different from him and might could even make peace. My husband has his ways, and he can be a real butt sometimes, but I truly think he would not allow me to be treated this way by his mother. I would not allow my daughters to be involved in a relationship like this. I would not want them to think that it is acceptable for anyone to treat them like that. If it were me, I probably wouldn't go or allow my girls to go unless something was done, and if I did go, the problem would be taken care of.

I can be the world's biggest pushover, but there are somethings I just will not stand for.

I agree with you - monster-in-law

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I am livid with my husband and told him if we dont go to counseling, that we can just separate. I should have demanded that from the beginning. I am a bad example for my girls, because you are right, I am showing them exactly what kind of relationship I do not want them in. I am ashamed of myself that I let this go on for so long, and I hope by demanding better treatment from my husband now will make up for some of those years. I do plan to tell my girls that I have made a horrible mistake and that I should not have tolerated poor treatment and that my husband was very wrong for not dealing with his mother, and what he did was disrespectful to me. Hopefully they understand and feel that even though you make mistakes, it is never too late to fix them.

Thank you. I should have known better.

Monster-In-Law, please consider this. - sm

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This person is your husband's mother. They have a past (which makes her believe blood is thicker than water). He has probably become immune to her nastiness and ignores her bad treatment of others, and probably subconsciously expects you to do the same. Consider this. On some level, I am sure this hurts and embarrasses him. He probably wishes his mother was not like that, but believes he can not or will not change it. He also probably thinks most of it is petty and not worth an argument. I certainly agree that you and your husband probably need counseling if this 1 miserable person has been allowed to have such a negative affect on your marriage. That is probably exactly what she has intended to do. Having said all of that, now consider this.

Why do you expect him to do your talking for you? What if he does not say the right things or say it the right way? What if it does no good? It will only cause an argument between him and his mother, which he does not want. It would be very hard for him to try to tell his mother to be a different person. She is probably very good to him. The problem is with YOU.

Personally, I do not expect anyone to speak up for me. If something bothers me or if I am mistreated by anyone, I think it is best for ME to speak up so that I can state exactly what bothers me and how I feel about it. Another poster wrote that if you will call her out on her comments and her behavior right then and there, she will realize that you will definitely do this and perhaps keep her behavior and her comments in check. Do NOT let her think you are afraid of her. Do NOT let her think she is causing problems in your marriage. Do you cower behind your husband. Get some back-bone, some self-esteem, and stick up for yourself. Your husband may even be relieved that you did that. When his mother comes crying to him, he will stick up for you.

Again, as stated before, keep calm. Do not yell. Do not jump on everything she says. Keep your demeanor direct and forthright. Do not bring up the past. I think in front of the WHOLE FAMILY is the perfect opportunity - every single time. Simple, ask her, "Am I correct in assuming......" or "Honestly, that really is in bad taste."

Stop trying to put your husband in the same position that you do not want to be in. Just because it is his mother does not mean he can control her. I would avoid her for a while. Get your thoughts and your self-esteem in order. Only apply these comments when absolutely necessary, and do not look to your husband for back-up. He may learn a thing or two from you.
Oh, and P.S. - see message
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What better way to be a role model for your children than to STAND UP FOR YOURSELF! Again, just be careful how you do it. No yelling, cussing, or storming out. Show them how to be a lady who demands respect. Stop blaming your husband. It is not his fault. So what if he doesn't stick up for you. So what if the family doesn't stick up for you. YOU can do this, and they are watching YOU. I guarantee she will not have the same support you will.

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Why is that? Wouldn't it be more constructive to hope things go well, and maybe even contribute to that outcome with some positive discourse? Or are you that full of hate that you can't wait to see the ship sink -- forgetting you're on the ship as well? ...

According To The CBO, 7 Million People (sm)Feb 05, 2013
will lose their health insurance with Obama care.  See how that works?  The ones with jobs lose theirs, have to go on the crap plans.  But the ones with 7 or 8 kids and 7 or 8 baby daddies are happy to get the crap care.  Remember the lie, "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor", or "if you like the plan you're on, you can keep it."  So many lies spew out of this man's piehole, it's hard to keep track of them.  One can just assume tha ...