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Posted: Jul 9, 2015

Filing suit in Indiana for right to smoke marijuana legally in their church. Under the state’s new Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which took effect July 1, the government must prove it is enforcing a compelling interest in the least restrictive way if a person claims an undue burden on religious liberty. The Church of Cannabis had its first service July 1 but said its members would not use cannabis after law enforcement warned that police would arrest anyone who smoked pot. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.;

now I have heard it all. nm - What is this country coming to.

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Law that gays can be refused service - on religious grounds?

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This is the flip side. Laws are laws, they apply to everyone. Used to be Christianity applied to everyone until the Conservatives decided they wanted to pick and choose to whom that would benefit.

To be clear, there’s no real mystery about the purpose of the “Religious Freedom Restoration Act,” which Republican Gov. Mike Pence signed last week. The goal is to give business owners a stronger legal defense if they refuse to serve lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender customers and want to cite their faith as justification for their actions. That is why groups representing religious conservatives support it, standing behind Gov. Mike Pence as he signed the bill last weekend. That is also why groups advocating for LGBT rights, along with a slew of corporations and celebrities, have protested the law’s enactment -- creating such uproar that Pence said on Tuesday he was open to “clarifying” the legislation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/01/indiana-religious-freedom_n_6984156.html

If these clerks whose job it is to issue - sm

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marriage licenses and they refuse to, they should each be fired immediately for refusing to do their jobs.

Plain and simple!

We've turned into a combination of South Africa - and Greece. It's only going to

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get worse. Next they'll be digging up Confederate graves to drive wooden stakes through their hearts.

Well, they've already started, apparently. - Truth

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See link.

Absolutely horrifying. - nm

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nm

Yeah, I'm the OP and probably one of the - more liberals on the board

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but....

I don't like moving remains, nope, take down the statue, put a small plaque/stone, put up some educational material around it with the statue, whatever, but DON'T MOVE THE BODY.

I'm a Liberal - Also

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I'm absolutely in favor of removing the Confederate flag from any government property. It belongs, as many others have said, in a museum.

However, I think all the retailers that abruptly stopped carrying anything Confederate related are acting like idiots.

I'm also not in favor of removing things such as memorials to Confederate soldiers. They may have been on both the wrong and the losing side in our civil war, but they were still Americans to my mind, and we should honor our fallen soldiers.

I'm another liberal, and I agree with that too - sm

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The Dixiecrats (Southern Democrats in favor of segregation) brought that battle flag out of mothballs in 1948 when the Democratic party split into two factions when Truman became POTUS and established his President's Committee on Civil Rights, ordered an end to discrimination, and the Democratic party added a plank to their platform in favor of civil rights for African Americans. The civil rights for blacks issue divided the Democratic party between the Northern and Southern Democrats, and the Southern Democrats splintered off and started their own party.

The Dixiecrats then started waving the darned battle flag again and hoisted it over the statehouse and made it a symbol of anti-segregation and anti-equality of the races spewing their hatred and yammering away about keeping whites and blacks segregated and being allowed to have their "whites only" establishments and continuing to treat African Americans as subhumans. The Dixiecrats ran Strom Thurmond for President as the candidate of the States Rights Democratic Party and called for the defeat of Truman, and the split in the Democratic Party had been expected to produce a victory by GOP nominee Dewey (remember the famous headline "Dewey Defeats Truman"), but Truman defeated Dewey in an upset victory. Truman's margin of victory in Ohio was razor thin at 0.24%, California at 0.44%, and Illinois at 0.84%, and just a few thousand votes difference in those 3 states would have given Dewey the victory.

The Democrats continued to fight for civil rights for African Americans, John Kennedy's fight until his death and picked up by President Lyndon Johnson until it came to fruition and was signed into law in 1964, Johnson knowing full well that the anti-rights groups in the South would be lost to Democrats for decades to come, and many of the Dixiecrats realigned with the Republican Party, Strom Thurmond becoming a Republican in 1964, but enough of history and "the Southern Strategy."

Before all that mess in the middle of the century and the battle flag being repurposed by the segregationists, the Southern Cross battle flag and other similar state flags had always flown over graves in the South for a long time. Most of the soldiers that fought for what it stood for to them had been fighting for their individual statehoods and were not slave owners, just soldiers doing their duty and fighting for their newly minted nation of Confederate States.

Remove that flag from the statehouse for sure, but for all that is holy, anyone that wants to fly it over their loved ones graves and keep their statues honoring their soldiers, I don't have a problem with any of that whatsoever.

Thank you for that education - I appreciate

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Helps to understand the history apart from the symbolism of what it has become.

NBF disbanded the KKK because thought they were too racist. It - was restarted without his approval

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or input and he denounced it and its goals.

I guess schools don't teach this anymore OR the fact that Robert E. Lee actually didn't believe in slavery, but was loyal to VA OR Thomas Jefferson's first version of the Declaration of Independence freed the slaves, but the SC would not go along with it so it was changed hoping to address it after they fought the British OR Abraham Lincoln did not want to punish the South like members in Congress did. Who knows what would've happened if he had lived.

I could go on and on.

Schools must be too busy "teaching" students how bad America is.

Honestly, I don't know how much more of this I can take.

It's only going to get worse. Like the line from The Man Who Shot - Liberty Valance (on Netflix),

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when the legend becomes fact.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=363ZAmQEA84

start at 0.35

Comparing the United States and Greece - ROTFLMAO

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Turn on the television these days and you'll hear conservative commentators compare the United States and Greece over and over like bleating sheep. It must be the latest propaganda talking point, I'm guessing. Every time I hear this, I just shake my head and giggle. Why? Because anyone with the tiniest bit of education in Economics 101 can tell you that Greece's economy is approximately the size of the economy of metropolitan Miami, Florida; yes, just one city in Florida with a GDP of about 281 billion, similar to that of Greece.

If any of the Foxbots are the least bit educated, and I believe at least some of them are, they know it's utter nonsense to compare the U.S. and Greece, and every day I'm more and more convinced that this is why you will hear the Foxbot types and conservative politicians disparage getting an education. If people are educated, they hear silly stuff like comparing the United States to Greece and they begin to wonder how much other misinformation they're being spoon fed by the talking heads who know better.

Truth. :)

Meh...yawn... - SM

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Helllooooo...It's a comparison about socialism.

Meh...yawn... Greece is a Parliamentary Republic - sm

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The repetitious and tedious oft repeated conservative rhetoric we see spewed out on television daily is really cute and everything, but even the most rudimentary education goes a long way in cutting straight through all the utter propaganda and complete nonsense, and I don't mind being ridiculed and being called "indoctrinated" if that's what having an education means. Only in America would people ridicule you for getting an education. LOL.

Notwithstanding the fact that Greece is being run by the extreme far left party, making it an outlier in the European Union, the Foxbot types are comparing the United States to the Parliamentary Republic of Greece because there is an economic debt crisis that has been going on for quite awhile now.

If the issue was truly about a socialist economy or "socialism," what kind of moron television personalities we call Foxbots would actually choose the puny little country of Greece as an example of socialism while ignoring that bright shiny #1 example and behemoth known as China? In the immortal words of James Carville: "It's the economy," say the Foxbots.

Truth.

You are spot on! - sm

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As the other poster wrote, education is a good thing. Too bad she/he is not educated about this. Probably too much feed from LSM. Sad.

ROTFLMAO........ No, actually "too much feed" from Fox News. - See link for video

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Conservatives can claim: "Helllooooo...It's a comparison about socialism" and others can chime in with "you are spot on" and insult other posters as being uneducated, but it still won't change the fact that the Foxbot types have been repeating the mantra like bleating sheep over the last 7/8 years now that our economy will be becoming like Greece. It's been fear-and-smear propaganda for a long time in order to keep the perpetually fraidy scairdy viewers about what would happen if Obama was elected/reelected.

The Foxbots really pushed this theme hard again just before the 2012 election showing fires and talking about deaths in Greece and how we'd be just like them, fear-and-smear propaganda at its finest to get their minions scared and going to the polls to make Obama a 1-term president. LOL. After all these years of doom and gloom predictions, you'd think a few of them would maybe take a hint and stop pounding that drum. Oh, no. Look for more of this same tired rubbish being spewed some more now that election time is cranking up, same crap, different election. Has anyone bothered to notice over all these years that none of this has happened? Any day now, we will be Greece. ROTFL!

Definitely "too much feed" from Fox News comparing the United States economy and debt to that of Greece, and it's truly "sad" since Greece's economy is puny in comparison and part of the European Union which has been doomed to fail since inception, in my honest opinion (but that's a whole other post), and their situation is not remotely comparable to that of the United States.

Truth.

Said the grasshopper to the ant. - NM

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Grasshoppers eat ants for breakfast. - nm

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