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If gay marriage is legalized and Christian churches
Posted: Apr 29, 2015
if they fail to perform marriages, does this include Muslim mosques too or just the Christians?;
I sure hope they don't give exemptions to one - but not the other, but I
[ In Reply To ..]don't know.
I hope I'm not forced to choose between my God or the government?
We have an amendment separating church and - state, this is the sort of
[ In Reply To ..]thing should be protected.
Agreed, in spades. - no msg
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Property taxes will put many churches out of business, - Catholic hospitals eligible for
[ In Reply To ..]federal grants and reimbursements, slippery slope.
Many might consider that an improvement. - nm
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gay marriage does not require a church - no one will force churches to perform gay weddings
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Take off your party glasses...That's next on the - agenda.
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Particularly Christian, the others will get a - waiver. As Alito said, why
[ In Reply To ..]why not 4 lawyers... I mean, why dilute the definition of words?
That's just silly! Sorry you feel the need to make things up. - nm
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Churches should not be tax-exempt - sm
[ In Reply To ..]http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2012/12/gay_marriage_churches_synagogues_and_mosques_won_t_be_forced_to_conduct.html
In theory, the government could direct the behavior of churches by mandating that they perform gay unions or punishing those who don’t by denying them benefits—in particular, tax-exempt status. After all, religious institutions rely on not paying taxes, so this is important to them. But the government has never used either power to tell religious groups who they have to marry. “After the Supreme Court struck down state bans on interracial marriage in Loving v. Virginia in 1967, there was never the suggestion that private religious groups that wouldn’t perform interracial marriages would be shut down,” Harvard Law School Dean Martha Minow points out. “Or lose their tax-exempt status.”
It’s just wrong to spook voters about gay rights by arguing that gay people are coming for their churches. It’s not gonna happen. Not just as a tactical matter, but also as a legal one. If that ever changes, it will be because we’re as united about the pernicious nature of anti-gay discrimination as we are about racial discrimination. Or until no one wants to belong to a church that doesn’t perform same-sex weddings, any more than they’d want to be in a church that forbids interracial ceremonies. Maybe we should be there. But I don’t need to tell you we’re not.
As to whether this would apply to mosques, temples, and anyone else who is tax exempt due to religious organization.
I remember when Roe vs Wade was being decided. They - told us it would get rid of
[ In Reply To ..]child abuse, crime, you name it. This will probably open a can of worms, if you can redefine marriage, why stop at same sex, why not legalize polygamy.
I don’t understand how it can be legally justified or successful. Churches have never been obligated to marry anyone.
Boy oh boy, some of you are REALLY confused...sm - VTMT
[ In Reply To ..]Who the check is telling you that religious institution of any kind will lose their tax-exempt status if the SCOTUS rules in favor of same-sex marriage? This is absolutely not true! No one will be forced to perform marriages! However, if religious institutions involve themselves in government, they could, and should, be in danger of losing their tax status.
Confusion?? Look in the mirror. No fact with post - Just opinion; so means nothing.
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It wasn't until the 1900's that states got involved - and started requiring
[ In Reply To ..]a license to marry in an effort to stop blacks from marrying whites. You'll probably see many states change and give it back to the churches, which is where it belongs anyway.
marriage is a civil matter - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Whether we legalize gay marriage or not, no one can force any house of religion to perform a marriage to which they object.
Who said anything about churches having to perform weddings, or losing their tax-exempt status for not doing so?
I don't understand what's to dislike about this post - sm
[ In Reply To ..]The government cannot force any religion, churches, or other house of worship to perform a marriage of any kind.
The issue of gay marriage is independent of religion.
I don't understand why the original question - has 4 dislikes either, it's just a
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I believe it's because the original question is based in misunderstanding. - nm
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It came up today during SCOTUS discussions of - gay marriage. no msg
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What came up? - nm
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tax exempt status - no msg
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What discussion? Where? Fox? - nm
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I thought everything was kind of interesting - and then I got to this comment. nm
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the issue was with respect to schools - - not houses of worship
[ In Reply To ..]In the case of Bob Jones University, the Court held that a college was not entitled to tax exempt status if it opposed interracial marriage or interracial dating. This isn't about forcing any religion to perform weddings or lose tax-exempt status.
As usual I see nothing by Clarence Thomas. - I like what Jus. Breyer
[ In Reply To ..]said. Suddenly, you want nine people outside the ballot box to require states that don’t want to do it to change what marriage is.”
Justice Alito said, why not let for lawyers marry one - another, if we're going to change
[ In Reply To ..]the definition, why not let four lawyers marry one another?
That reminds me of an old joke about lawyers, but I probably shouldn't post it.
Alito understands the slippery slope. - NM
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As to lawyers - Nick
[ In Reply To ..]I heard a good joke (from another lawyer, of course):
What's the difference between a lawyer and a human sperm? A human sperm has one chance in two million of becoming a human being.
And another:
What do you call ten thousand lawyers on the bottom of the ocean? A good start.
LOL, I've heard the last one. - NM
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Hahaha! Thanks for the morning laugh - here's some more
[ In Reply To ..]What's the difference between a lawyer and God?
God doesn't think he's a lawyer.
How does an attorney sleep?
First he lies on one side, then he lies on the other.
What do you throw to a drowning lawyer?
His partners.
What does a lawyer get when you give him Viagra?
Taller
What's brown and looks really good on a lawyer?
A Doberman.
What's the difference between a lawyer and a liar?
The pronunciation.
What do you call a lawyer gone bad.
Senator.
What do you call a lawyer with an IQ of 100?
Your Honor.
What do you call a lawyer with an IQ of 50
A Senator.
And if you've heard all these, here's a new one you gotta snicker at, regardless of your political bend:
What do you get when you cross a corrupt lawyer with a crooked politician?
Chelsea Clinton.
What do you get......... - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Here's a new one you gotta snicker at regardless of your political bend:
What do you get when you cross a lawyer with an IQ of 100, a failed political candidate, an attack dog, and a Fox?
Judge Jeanine Pit Bull Pirro
Answer: "You get the winning lawyer joke. " Ding ding ding! lol. - 2nd lawyer joke commenter
[ In Reply To ..]Except is it wrong that my first thought on that joke was Ann Coulter? lol
Sad there's more than one. I gotta say too, regardless of her politics and though another network, Nancy Grace's tabloid journalism style, much like Pirro's, gets on my last nerve and I'm not sure why. I guess I just don't care for people trying cases in the press publicly without having all the information. I mean, in certain cases like Freddie Gray, the public should know and facts you can't avoid like, okay, SOMETHING happened for that man to die in custody and since we pay them, what was it, but otherwise, I would feel horrible if we pronounced guilt on another criminal issue because of shows like Nancy Grace, Pirro, etc. and they were actually innocent.
Otherwise, ya gotta laugh at good jokes about politicians regardless of party. It's no secret I lean left, but the Chelsea Clinton one made me snicker anyway, I couldn't help myself, it was clever.
Yours was awesome, but the best joke I've heard all week was at the White House Correspondent Dinner by President Obama.
Though no secret Obama won't make my "best" list, I don't think he's the worst, and this joke he told was funny:
"Dick Cheney has said that I am the worst president of his lifetime. That's funny because I was thinking the same thing about him"
I 'bout fell out of my chair.
Fear mongering by the right as usual. The only...sm - VTMT
[ In Reply To ..]way they have to keep the troops in line is to keep them fearful. Mr. Editor at Breitbart at work. Fox will probably run with it tonight.
Media Matters? Really? - NM
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Make that Slate, Salon, Media Matters - Really?
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Add Right Wing Watch. - Really?
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Oops, sorry. Two-year-old article. nm - VTMT
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Misrepresentation of facts by the left as usual - Nothing new here
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