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Posted: Oct 17, 2013

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Zdravstvuyte tovarishch! nm - boris and natasha

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No, but I'm assuming we'll have large scale classes all over the country. - nm

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This is pretty insulting - and not even remotely true

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I would love for you to compare and contrast our system of government with communism, which is what you seem to be implying. It would be great if you could be specific.

I am currently not aware of a communist society in which one is free to complain/criticize its government, leave the country at will, etc.

I suggest that we all ignore the obvious trolling. - pffft (nm)

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Well don't let me waste your bandwidth. pffft - boris and natasha

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I second that motion. May the noxious gas they expel sink - under its own weight.

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Just starve them of the attention and turmoil they so desperately crave.

Really, read Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. SM - boris and natasha

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Communism and Socialism are one and the same. Communism was simply the term Lenin concocted to use in the place of "Marxism", because it was more appealing to the Russian rabble.

"Socialism is a cushy, comfortable word for communism." Robin Leach

"Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the communist state." Vladimir Lenin.

Keep on trying to demonize Obamacare - and we'll just keep on ignoring

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Just sayin.
Don't you have any intellectual curiosity about - Solzhenitsyn? nm
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I might but - I would not rely just on that source
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for my position on a particular issue.

And not only that I would not infer that everything he wrote is 100% applicable here.
You asked if they had any intellectual curiosity? - Sergeant Schultz - LOL
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He was apparently a writer. See link inside (sm) - Libby
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He seemed to have lived an interesting life, was involved with the government, etc.

It's an interesting read at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn

I'm not sure how relevant he is to what we've been discussing.
Libby, I applaud you for at least looking. You can SM - boris and natasha
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draw your own conclusions.

Lenin did not say that - sm

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Please don't trot out this non-quote once again. It was never uttered by Lenin.

I read Solzhenitsyn in the 9th grade. It strengthened my intellectual curiosity, and I know how to research stuff before I repeat it.
I'd love to know why this got a dislike - I thought we were against propaganda
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I guess if the propaganda suits the right wingers, it's not propaganda anymore.

Bogus quote - sm

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Carson is quoting Lenin to criticize Obamacare. Is the reference bogus?




Affordable Care Act critic only latest to quote, or misquote, Soviet leader on health care




October 12, 2013|By Jean Marbella, The Baltimore Sun


It was the most expensive campaign ever launched, but opponents were determined to defeat the president's health care reform plan.


"Would socialized medicine lead to socialization of other phases of American life?" began one of the pitches used in a massive advertising and lobbying effort. "Lenin thought so. He declared: 'Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the Socialized State.'"









That may sound like it was ripped from today's headlines — or at least, the debut this week of Fox News' latest talking head, Dr. Ben Carson.


But although the retired Johns Hopkins neurosurgeon has been using the last sentence of that quote to trash Obamacare, it dates back more than 60 years — from a pamphlet circulated in opposition to another president, Harry Truman, and his own attempt to expand health care coverage.


Some things really never change. Not only is the same red-scare flag being waved today, there's this: Neither then or now, no one seems to have evidence that such a bon mot ever passed Lenin's lips.


"It was a completely made-up quote," Princeton sociologist Paul Starr tells me.


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Creeping socialism was a pretty convincing argument in the Cold War years, and the AMA's political consultants organized meetings and put out pamphlets using the alleged Lenin quote.


But as Starr notes in his book, "The Library of Congress could not locate this quotation in Lenin's writings." ....



http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-10-12/health/bs-md-marbella-lenin-20131012_1_lenin-socialized-medicine-health-care-reform-plan


 


http://books.google.com/books?id=UEGLO9YUecEC&pg=PA92&lpg=PA92&#v=onepage&q&f=false

don't forget 1984 and NSA - they've just been busy up to now. - :)) Give 'em a little time

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Brave New World, Crime and Punishment, - Fahrenheit 451, nm

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"The Lives of Others", it's in German but reminds me of - the NSA. xxx
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Animal Farm. nm - useful idiots
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Time Magazine cover 2008. We're all Socialists Now. nm - good grief

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Interesting to see this now, - sm

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after a long talk with my mom and aunt regarding their escape from *actual* communists, which required a gun held to a train conductor's head and months of sleeping and starving in the woods, begging for broth and eating dead horses they found on the road, offering up themselves to communist soldiers to protect their youngest sister from rape, watching their cousins be executed, killed by prisoners, or otherwise taken off to a Siberian prison. They gave me a book to take home written by one of their cousins who was sent to that prison when she was 15.

To see the faux cry of communism here, safe and warm in my own home and with all the freedom we have, it's so incredibly petty and stupid, I just have to walk away now.

Eloquent post - Thank you!

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They know they are making a false claim, but hyperbole and propaganda are their favorite tools.

Ted Cruz' father was from Cuba, listen to him...SM - anon

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I can give you 5 stories to counter everything you just said.

I might suggest reading The Communist Takeover of America, the 45 goals.

and he has lived through Communist rule. nm - anon

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tell us, comrade, how do you feel about censorship? - sm

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I can't help but notice how the authorities are called every time free speech upsets the right-wing applecart. I wonder what Solzhenitsyn would say. Don't you?

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