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Just watched a good program this morning. Did anyone else see it?

Posted: Apr 3, 2011

It was probably on last night and repeated this morning. It was called "Freeloading" by John Stossel on the network some on this board hate to have mentioned. I wish they would repeat this program as it was very interesting. I did miss the first 10 minutes of it but what I did see was eye-opening, even though I knew about some of the government programs he talked about, but didn't know the background of the people who receive them.

I would recommend everyone watch it if it's on again.

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If you have 45 minutes to spare, I found a video - Backwards Typist

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It's a 3-part video and I watched the whole thing again to make sure it was all there, but one thing I didn't see in these 3 videos was the section on the National Flood Insurance program in which John Stossel, himself, had benefited and makes no bones about it. Maybe I missed that section.

Here it is:
http://www.disclose.tv/forum/has-anyone-watched-john-stossel-s-freeloaders-t48271.html

Here is the missing(?) excerpt in print:
In big government America today, itâ��s rich people who freeload the most. Corporations do it. And rich individuals do it. People like me.Years ago, I built this beach house on the edge of the Atlantic Ocean. My father told me, â��Donâ��t do it, itâ��s too risky. No one should build so close to an ocean.â�� But I built anyway. Why? Because cheap federal flood insurance guaranteed my investment.Congress created the National Flood Insurance Policy to help foolish people who donâ��t buy private flood insurance and then lose their home when the water rises. Politicians said people didnâ��t buy private insurance because the greedy private companies charged too much. The politicians would hire people to price the policies â��properly.â�� Give me a break. Today taxpayers guarantee insurance for billions of dollars in waterfront property. You may foot the bill if a flood destroys Derek Jeterâ��s new mansion in Florida, or the Kennedy Compound in Massachusetts.

Eventually, a storm swept away my first floor. But I didnâ��t lose a penny. Thanks! I never invited you there, but you paid for my new first floor. A few years later, the whole house went. Again, government flood insurance covered my loss.

Yet many point the finger at "welfare mom" - spposedly on the dole.

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We pay in more ways besides socialist programs like flood insurance. I live in a coastal state and the building and bulk-heads that have gone up in marsh lands and along bays has killed the fish and shellfish natural nurseries since these grasses filter pollutants but they are now blocked by creosote-saturated pilings.

Actually, welfare is a socialist program.... - when it is government-

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sponsored and you do nothing to receive it, it's a socialist program. Actually government flood insurance is not a socialist program...you have to pay for it, it is just not nearly as high as private flood insurance. If the government had left that alone, then that would have discouraged people building too close to the water and in flood planes. That is why private insurance was so high.

I am not saying all "welfare" is bad. However, just having kids but being physically able to work, in my opinion, does not qualify one for welfare. That just puts a burden on the rest of us who also have kids to pay higher taxes to support those who have kids but don't work because welfare is available. There are people who make barely above minium wage (I know them, because in my little town there are not many jobs that pay more than minimum wage) and they manage to feed themselves and their families without assistance.

Now if someone is physically or mentally unable to work, that is a different story entirely. But those able to work and won't far outnumber those physically or mentally unable to. That is what is wrong with socialist programs. They are created to win votes, then they are not monitored and abuse is rampant. Instead of fixing the ones that are broken, the Democrats want to throw good money after bad or just create a new program that also won't work...that is why this economy is in the shape its in. Running deficits for too many years and when the housing mortgage paper thing came we were already so buried in debt, it was the rather large straw that broke the camel's back.

Things need to change.

Flood insurance is heavily subsidized - by taxpayers. It is the only

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personal insurance that is. I worked in social services for several years. It is a myth that the majority of people on welfare are able to work and just choose not to. In fact, it was a real eye-opener to see exactly how hard most of the recipients worked and how much the system worked against them. What is insane is the payment of SSDI to homeless people who are not allowed to have bank accts. These people are routinely robbed the days following cashing of checks by the vultures that prey on them. Socialist programs are part of any democracy and aren't inherently bad. I just don't like subsidizing the millionaire so they can build their houses upon the sand.

Myths about people on welfare - mbmt

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I am really glad you posted what you did about the myths about people on welfare. This information is something people need to be aware of. I also agree with the last two sentences of your post about socialist programs being part of any democracy and that they are not inherently bad and also about not liking subsidizing millionaires so they can build their houses upon the sand. Thanks for your post.

I don't agree with flood insurance either and said - so. The government, as

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usual, should have stayed out of it. ANd, it is not only the rich who build "houses on the sand." There are lots of middle class families who built in flood planes and used the same insurance that we subsidize. So again you seize on the "rich" and forget that the middle class also takes advantage of every government program out there if they can. Government flood insurance should be stopped...PERIOD.

Fraud is rampant in welfare, it is rampant in Medicare, Medicaid, and virtually every program the government ever created. Well, Social Security was doing fine until the Dems decided to raid the trust fund. And now that one is scre*ed too, as we all know.

Point being...the government cannot continue to run unfunded programs. They certainly cannot continue to run them without oversight.

I just do not understand why you are not as concerned about spending and the deficit that is skyrocketing every single day, as you are about the "rich" and what they do or do not get away with. If it were not for the "rich" paying their 41% of all taxes paid in, we would be in a lot worse shape than we are.

Why IS it that those things do not concern you?

Had the opposite experience regarding welfare... - and it is not a myth.

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When you sign up the third generation on welfare, something is VERY WRONG with the system. There is no oversight and fraud is rampant. I live in a relatively small town, certainly compared to NYC and LA, and there is more than one family of multiple generation welfare. There are also a lot of men on what they lovingly refer to as a "nut" check...they never finished school (their own choice), so can barely read and write, so rather than refer them to an adult learning center they are put on welfare. Most of them also do odd jobs around town for cash, probably make almost as much money as I do. You can report it until you are blue in the face...have heard "just don't have the manpower to check on everybody."

Please. All anyone has to do is drive through "poor" sections of town, or follow people through thge checkout line with foodstamps and cashing welfare checks. Out here in the real world we know there are a lot of people on welfare who don't belong. There is no oversight. There is no fixing it now. Need to stop it except for those who are mentally or physically incapable of work and start over, and make sure programs are funded before they are started and that there is proper oversight in place. Welfare was never intended to be a profession and lack of oversight has caused that to happen.

If you real did work in social services for several years, did your agency check on everyone to make sure they really required the services? We all know it does not happen; look at foster kids who fall through the cracks (and there is another moneymaking business that lacks sufficient oversight).

Socialist programs were not intended to be a part of this democracy and we did fine letting faith-based organizations take care of it, until Lyndon Johnson decided he wanted to bring in the new voting block of African Americans after the Republicans were finally able in the 60's to get them the vote. Hence was trotted out the war on poverty and social programs gone wild.

Well...lack of oversight has caused Democrats to raid social security to try to fund them, so its about broke; and more and more unfunded programs, running deficits every year...well, we are at the end of the tracks. We are broke.

Period.

Complaints about lack of oversight usually followed - by whining about regulations and cost.

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Worked at a social service agency, yes, Not previous poster. You have a problem about lack of oversight? Are you for hiring more social workers/case managers? Tell me specifically your "fix" to the the problem? Perhaps place people at the grocery checkouts to police the shoppers?

And your answer is fraud and corruption are - just acceptable byproducts

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of social programs? Now do you know why I would like to see a different mindset in Washington?

What I would really like to see is social programs, if we have to have them at all, aimed at those who really NEED them...those who are physically or mentally unable to care for themselves. Social programs that include a helping hand to be able to make people self sufficient again rather than using a social program as your income for life.

Have you reported all these freeloaders? - sm

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Why would you say I think corruption is acceptable? Can you tell just by looking at people whether or not they qualify for "welfare"? Perhaps we could get rid of all social workers and case managers and just have you look at people who think they need help, and you could decide yes or no. Save a lot of money that way.

I agree. You would save a ton of money. - I believe I said they had

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been reported...and the answer was given "we can't watch everybody." So they understood there were people gaming the system but hey...they were too busy signing people up to watch the ones they had already signed up.

If only the mentally or physically unable to work are supposed to be on welfare...then yes, you can tell by looking. Like I said, go to any Wal-Mart on the first day of the month and see who is cashing fed welfare checks, the various state supplements, etc. Like the guy with the so-called "nut" check who also works odd jobs. He can work, but if they are going to give him the check, he is going to take it.

Again...I do believe that those physically unable to work or mentally unable to work should get some help, IF their FAMILIES are unwilling or unable to care for them. What ever happened to family responsibility? Oh wait...some of those families do collect checks for those people and don't take very darned good care of them....like the fostercare system.

Face it...the system is BROKEN. The answer is not to keep throwing good money after bad.

I did not say you were "for" corruption, but your answer was, in fact, that there were not enough people to monitor it and then there would be screaming about regulation, etc.

I would rather pay more for a few caseworkers and social workers so that they could do BOTH parts of their jobs well...sign people up who are truly deserving and then follow up to make sure the funds are going where they are supposed to be going, not into some caregivers' pocket who is not giving adequate care, and those drawing assitance who are physically capable of working.

That is not an unreasonable request from we the taxpayers who are funding the fraud and corruption.

What do YOU think is the answer? Just keep throwing good money after bad?

Certainly did work for years, for two as a - NONPAID volunteer

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searching out fraud for a very wealthy county just outside NYC. Let's just say the "welfare" community is a microcosm of every other demographic - doctors, lawyers, cops, middle class, poor, rich. Many people on welfare do not fit the criteria for mentally ill - many are just low IQ. Many were in the CPS (about 80% of homeless were), which should be completely overhauled for all the damage it does.

Re flooding, rich, houses, you have no idea what you're talking about, especially in this area of the country. Half of the coast in this state is no longer available to the public because of building along the shore. Homeowners don't want people on the beaches in front of their homes and the zoning boards take care of things for them. Entire communities have been built on fraudulent zoning and these people cannot get out of them now.

I believe we were talking about taxpayer-funded - flood insurance so not

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sure what you are talking about re zoning and such. People have, and do, build in flood planes, and not only the rich take advantage of the federal flood insurance. That is a fact. There are flood planes that are not "on the beach" or highly affluent areas.

Maybe I am misunderstanding your post. Sorry if I am.

Yup - I'm talking local govts in shore towns - making exceptions to

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zoning (i.e. distance from wet lands or re-zoning of them, beaches, lagoons, etc) for people who want to build basically on the beach of the ocean or bay or lagoon or marsh, for the luxury of the view and prestige of location, despite homeowner's insurance not writing flood policy for those areas. These people rely on FEMA every time anything stronger than a wicked thunderstorm blasts the shoreline away.

And you are right about people building in flood planes. We have a problem in this state with records in an area notorious for flooding. We looked at a house and researched it and found it was in a 100 year flood plane. Then we researched newspapers on flood stories and found it severely flooded every 2-3 yrs. The town says otherwise. Most of these homeowners were able to get flood insurance yrs back but now have been dropped AND they can't get out because no one wants to buy their home, not even drastically reduced. The state talks about buying them out but it doesn't have the money. In this state, unless you are very well off, you're not building anything anywhere, so yes, the ones building their homes upon the sand are very affluent and taking advantage of tax-paid flood insurance.

Forgot to add, that in most cases of beach - and bay line building

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access to the public is then forbidden, whereas the public used to be able to pay a fee to use the beach, launch a boat, etc. The town still maintains the beach/land surrounding the newly built homes using tax dollars and beach fees for any remaining public access remaining.

A major coup was weeding out a store owner - with an ATM that accepted

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the cards for foods stamps. The program is tiered so that families can get limited cash via the ATM to buy things like diapers, tampons, etc. Depending on type of housing, many do not have this option and can't use their card. One store owner with the ATM, for a fee, was tripping the machine and getting cash for non-cash clients. He was also ringing up fake sales, taking a cut and giving cash back to the client. I caught him doing this while working for a homeless shelter and getting to know some of the clients really well, basically by shadowing them. First I sent a note letting the shop owner know we were on to him. He stopped, waited 6 months and started again. Then he was shut down entirely. At that point, I was just a citizen doing volunteer work, but the pay off was far better than any salary.

I'm disabled and while waiting for my hearing - for 2-1/2 years I received (sm)

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$200.00 cash per month and food stamps. When my Social Security disability claim was found to be in my favor, before I received any of that money, I paid back the State for the funds that I received from them.

$200.00 a month isn't much money to pay rent, utilities, etc., but I was grateful for every penny I received.

I now live on $1,200 a month, and it feels like a million dollars to me, compared to the $200 I had received.

Oftentimes, I feel really bad that I can't work any more, as I really enjoyed my former job, and it's not often that someone can make money by doing what they truly LIKE to do. The bottom line is that I can't do that work any more. Accepting that fact was very hard for me, even though the judge accepted it quite easily.

You are right about the ATM cards. In my case, I received a total of $400 ($200 in cash and $200 in food stamps). It wasn't easy to live on, but I did it. The thought of cheating this system never entered my mind.

I'm glad you reported him, and I wish more people would report crime like this. It gives us all a bad name.

If you get Fox Business, I think it's on again at 9 tonight. - Zville MT

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That was really good - I watched it earlier this week. I love how he dressed up as a homeless person and got just as much money when he held a sign that said he just needed a beer as when he held a sign about needing help.

I'm not totally sure if the episode on at 9 is the one on freeloading or not - doesn't say on the guide. If it's the libertarian convention, I apologize ;)

Freeloading - Varesa

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Isn't John Stossel on Fox? The media wing of the Republican Party?

A wild guess here but he was probably talking about "freeloading" by teachers, firefighters, police, the elderly, children, etc. and not the freeloading by those corporations who not only pay zero taxes but get refunds in the process. And we should mention those corporations who hide their profits in the Cayman Islands to escape paying taxes. These are the true freeloaders in this society, not the hardworking middle class.

Ummm. WRONG!. Go watch and then judge!!!.nm - He did his own experiment, and

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this had nothing to do with Republicans or Democrats... its about FREELOADERS. You are probably too biased though to have an open mind and even watch it.

Socialist mantra, yada, yada, yada. - This is the truth of

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corporations. They are the backbone of this economy, no matter how you slice it. You always hear trickledown does not work. Well, yes it does. You have the major corporation...let's use a car manufacturer for instance. They employ hundreds to sometimes thousands of people. They stimulate the local economies where they are located (well, unless the UAW hits thems so many times with wage and bennies raises that they fold their tent and go someplace else...wellll isn't it interesting how the unions benefit so greatly from corporations. How else would they be so rich and powerful? They don't get rich and powerful by unionizing small businesses...hmmm, the great donation wing to the DNC..) but I digress. Those plants also keep local utility rates down as towns can charge the regular customers less because the commercial rates charged the corporation are astronomical and yes, they do pay their utilities...so it is a good thing for local economies to have a big corporation located in their town.

Next level down...suppliers to that plant who provide materials to build the cars. And there are several of those. And each one of them has employees.

Next level down...suppliers to the suppliers. And there are several of those. And each one of them has employees.

Go ahead, get rid of those privately owned corporations and fold them all into the government (no place else for them to go if they are not privately owned).

Know what you have then? Hugo Chavez country or Castro brothers country.

Be careful what you ask for. You might just get it and then realize whoa...this isn't what they said it was going to be.

Well, I see where you have a problem and - Backwards Typist

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you did not watch the video. Jumping to conclusions without checking a source does not make someone open to facts.

Just so you know, John Stossel used to work at ABC as an investigative reporter.

Stossel fits in well with FOX - FYI

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Fuzzy reporting?

"In a July 31 letter to Westin, EWG President Kenneth Cook wrote: "I am writing to inform you or our conclusion that ABC News does not possess, and has never possessed, the test results Mr. Stossel reported. The reason is simple: we have confirmed with the experts ABC hired for its organic food story that the pesticide test results in question do not exist because no such laboratory tests were ever conducted for ABC News;"

Stossel told the group through his assistant that he would not respond "in any fashion" to their accusations. That is, until ABC announced that Stossel himself will apologize on Friday's broadcast for his mistake, acknowledging that E. Coli tests were never really conducted. While Cook and company has called on ABC News to fire Stossel for his "remarkable breach of journalistic ethics and conduct," an analyst speaking for Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting believes he'll most likely stay on the job."

Hmmm....seems like I remember CBS, Dan - Rather, forged documents....

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come on! Stop with the Fox bashing already. After ABC did a two-hour infomercial about Obamacare they are not high on my list of unbiased sources.

LOL. puleezeeee.

What does this have to do with Stossel on Fox? - nm

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Well, first of all, the comment was made that - Stoessel fits on Fox

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because of something he did while he was on ABC (not when he was on Fox). And since CBS did the same thing only worse, then Stoessel could also go toe CBS and be right at home. And since ABC did a two hour prime time infomercial for Obama to sell Obamacare, they don't have any high moral ground to complain about ANYTHING Stoessel did while working for them.

THAT is what is has to do with Stoessel on Fox. It's called the rest of the story.

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