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Posted: May 20, 2013

Long story long...sorry..... Mother-in-law is here visiting. Her second husband died about 2 years ago. She came to visit then, lives about 2000 miles from us. Went on and on about going back, selling her manufactured home, moving here to be with her only child, my husband, and her 12-year-old only grandchild, our daughter...After she got home she began searching the want ads for male friends.. Found 3 or 4, dated, some ok, some not.. through one of them found a man that has some money, 73 yo.. works still full time as much as possible. Has moved him in with her now.. No longer wants to move here, obviously.. MIL has mentioned that this man is a horder, she now has wall to wall furniture in her home, junk piled up outside. He has 2 other homes, not in their direct area but in their state..they go visit from time to time. He also has a 5th wheel that they travel in for his work and live in while he works. MIL has no assessts other than her manufactured home, which is in a trailer park, the land it is on she pays rent for, not her own, and that is about 500 a month for the space rental. She has through the years divorced my husband's father, met a man, married, and disappeared for 7 months, only to call my husband once this man began beating her and he drove to her rescue 1400 miles away, got a Uhaul and moved her closer. That was second husband, third husband just died a few years ago.. Sooooo.. while here this time she says that nothing has changed, my husband is still getting her "home" when she passes.. it is in both of their names, value maybe 10,000. BUT.. she wants this new man to be able to live there as long as he can afford the "rent" on the space and have a home then once he is ready to leave then my husband can have "what I left him". I said that was not going to happen, that once she did pass we would sell her place to the park she is living in or sell it out right. We have no desire to maintain a home 2000 miles from us or try to rent it out. This is all that my husband will ever get from his mom, this is all she has. My fear is we may not know when she passes unless this man calls us. MIL has signed up with some company to leave her body to science once she dies. If she did not have a lengthy sickness and passed at night, say at home, this company is to be called. They have 3 hours to pick up the body, no viewing, no funeral, nada.. Its all over. Husband would never get there in time to see or say goodbye. We aren't happy with this but it is what she has done. My concern is that if this were to occur this man has no reason to call us and tell us of her passing as he would be made to move out. There is a member of the late husband's family near them and I am thinking I should call this person, I feel they would be called if she passed, and ask to be kept in the "loop." I am afraid that this man will pack up his stuff and take all of her things too, furniture wise, personal things, etc..They are not married and do not plan on being married. I told hubby of this and he said once again family comes behind everyone else in her book. I said he needs to speak with her before she leaves but I dont think he will for fear of some tension and her still visiting. He said he would just sign over his part and tell her to be done with us altogether and do whatever she felt was right. sorry to ramble, its a bur in my butt.... Any thoughts?;

if she gets SS payments in direct deposit - would you be notified

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Someone has to notify the Social Security Administration of her death. He is not married to her, so they would probably not accept information from him. Is your husband set up as next of kin on her account where SS payments go?

MIL - INMT

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As of right now he is on her accounts, not sure if she can remove him without hubby knowing. Yes, I know SS has to be notified, but if we are not, then who do we know to do any notifying?. This is my fear, why would the man want to call us since he would be made to move and get all of his "stuff" moved, and I know my husband would not "give him time" to get out, a day or two maybe....

SS is to be notified immediately when the - recipient dies, does not go

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to next of kin but you did know that, right? Any money received after a person's death would be subject to have to pay it back.

But I think OP wants to know WHO notifies SS of the - death? nm

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Funeral home notifies SS - P
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That's assuming he takes her to a funeral home - and doesn't just leave her in the corner
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Gross, I know, but we've all heard the stories about how mummified bodies are found years after the fact because someone wanted to keep the SS payments coming.

MIL - sm

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If your MIL wants to let this man live in her home afer she dies, that is her prerogative and she needs to specify this in her will, just as she needs to specify in her will the terms of your husband's inheritance.

If MIL wants to make sure your husband is aware of her passing, she needs to make arrangements for that.

You can't make her proceed the way you want her to. It's her life. All you and your husband can do is abide by her will.

MIL - INMT

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She does not have a will. A title to a manufactured home is like a title to a car, she and husband are on it as owners. I understand its her life, she has choosen to be where she is, just fear that due to this issue we may never know when his mother has passed unless there is an illness prior.

MIL second thought - INMT

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You are right in that she can decide who lives in her home after she is gone. Problem is it becomes my husband's home once she passes, so I guess the only logical thing to do is ask her to send up paperwork to remove him from the title and let her leave it to the man so that upon his death his children get his other 2 placed, RV, and my MIL's home too..

You seem to be bickering over property before - the MIL dies even

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by saying to remove her son from the title and leave to that man so his children......The funeral home would by law notify SS after her death. Her son, you, have no say so over whether you are notified if the MIL does not make specific arrangements prior to her demise. You are sounding bitter about things you "think" you are entitled to but her life and if she wants to give to charity she can. I have lost both parents, most in my family and I never sat back and worried what would give me this or that and you should take a chill pill.
Agree - Chilling here, too
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I agree . . . you are turning it into a soap opera even before she's dead, and for what? A trailer????

Honey, it's just stuff.

Is there anything you feel is important enough to pass on to grandchildren? Things they will feel are important enough not to sell on E-Bay? If so, it would be worth getting them now.

Otherwise, free yourself of the need to ruin your own lives by striving after something that is not going to be worth having. Just don't think about it again.
I think she is afraid this man will not let her- sm - XXX
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know when MIL dies. If you read it all, the MIL will not be going to a funeral home, totally bypassing that as she is donating her body. My mom donated her body too, I have no idea if that organization notified SS or not, I do know my neighbor who was in the funeral business wrote the obit for my dad and placed it for us and notified SS so my dad did not have to, he did this as a friend as because he knew what to do too since he was in the funeral business. I said my goodbyes to my mom in the hospital morgue (she'd died totally unexpectantly and very quickly), had to fight to do that (afte driving 4 hours so I could) as the nurses acted like no one ever bypasses the funeral home or donates their bodies, guess they thought only the homeless ended up at medical schools, nope. My dad is donating his body too. So things move super fast when you do that, you call them, they make arrangements to pick them up promptly, in my mom's case the next day. I can see how SS notification would and could slip thru the cracks in this situation. ----has anyone asked this man what his plans are once the MIL die, presuming she predeases him? He may not want to live there, or move back to his other homes or to his 5th wheel. If he plans just to use it for storage then I would oust him after the fact. But if the mom wants to make sure she needs to write a will and make it all legal. If the son and DIL want out then tell her and give it to the BF.
About donating your body after death, I also - know for a fact you
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don't have to be homeless in order to do that, far from it. Had an aunt and uncle who both decided to do that. The aunt was an educator, husband was like a park ranger and they both donated their bodies like that. Wills can also be broken, they are not iron clad. Know also as a fact. Things my mother told me years before her death she wanted me to have I never got. She and her husband had the "if I die before you" clause, which in this case meant survivor got all with things designated for others to be doled out to them but hey, when you die you have no control over what others do or don't do. I was glad to receive "some" of her personal belongings even though I was only child by then. Things in her will (which I had seen and had copy of) and which she left up to her husband to give out never occurred. Did not even get family albums (they were married the last 20 years of her life and he was not even in those earlier pictures), my children did not get things my mother wanted them to have but like I said, you have no control and put a period there, no control.

think about what you're saying - sm

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pretend you're older. You have remarried and have a new husband. And when you die, your kids come in and remove YOUR husband out of HIS home? Are you serious?

Does the manufactured home mean that much to you? - ?

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I had the exact same situation. My MIL got a "boyfriend" and they never wanted to get married, because it would mess up her social security. She has a very nice house and when she passes, the house is left to the kids to sell and split the money. She said once that if she died before her significant other that she wanted him to be able to remain living there and it was never a thought for ANY of us and we said of course he could stay, none of the kids planned to live in the house, just sell it and even though the kids would profit more than your husband stands to profit, nobody is banking on her death for their "settlement check." Her significant other actually passed recently, so we didn't have to worry about it, but she is still very healthy and if she gets another, then good for her, and we would honor her wishes.

If it is so frustrating to you, suggest this to her: Have her leave her home to her significant other as the primary beneficiary with a clause that he can't sell it or anything and when he passes, it goes to your husband. That would be problem solved and you wouldn't have to manage a "renal property" from so many miles away.

Home meaning - INMT

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I think the main concern is that she may fear that we would make him move out so they may decide that he does not need to let us know until he is ready to get out. I worry that even though hubby wont get to say goodbye in a funeral or any type of setting that he might not even know she is gone for some time. She flys out Saturday and I think I should sit them down together, say ok here is what you said, and what you said, YOU TWO TALK and the kid and I are going shopping....

of course she's afraid you'd make him move out - sm

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you said it yourself in your OP: "...this man has no reason to call us and tell us of her passing as he would be made to move out."

Oh, my sista MT. *Renal* property? Love it, such an MT thing to put. - Betcha you are a long time MT. nm

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If hubby is on SS acct also, could he be held responsible for - any checks sent after her death if SM

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SS is not notified?

SS OH NO - INMT

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All I know is he in on her checking account that has the direct deposit for SS, at least he was before this man came into the picture. I guess I better find out for sure if she has kept him on or what. I would think if we can prove that someone else accessed the money, not use, they would be held accountable, I hope...

Maybe ask ML if anything is in place for son to be notified - in case of sudden castostophic SM

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illness or sudden death. Explain he would be heartbroken if in the case of a sudden horrible illness or accident, he might learn of it too late to be by her side.

I think that is probably the main concern here. Seems apparent the house has no real meaning or value to the son. But being with his mom at the end, has a huge value.

Oh yeah, be sure you are clear to her that you want and expect her to live forever, but things can happen that would not be in her control.

Why not just keep in touch with her on a - FBL

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weekly basis? If you can't get in touch for a week or two, you know something is up and can call the park manager or the police to check on her.

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