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Zimmerman not guilty???!!??

Posted: Jul 13, 2013

What is up with Florida juries???;

There was not enough evidence - sm

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There was never enough evidence. Even the attorney general said she could not understand why people who have not read all the witness statements or police reports decided to comment.

No matter whether someone is for or against, we have to have faith in our justice system. The jurors had to sit and listen to everything. They had to follow the law. Many people said that if the jurors follow the law they would have to find him not guilty. This was not supposed to be a case based on emotion, but a case based on facts and evidence.

The prosecutors said they were not happy but they respect the jurors decision.

The "evidence" all pointed to self defense! - Apparently, the jury agreed. n,

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That's what I meant. Sorry, didn't write that correctly - sm

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It was always a case of self defense. Too many people were commenting when they didn't even know what happened. It is the news agencies fault that he is the most hated man now in the country (that is after Bush). They had to comment and had him convicted before he had a chance to a fair trial.

Now the pics of his broken nose, gashes in his head and all that are coming out. Now it's coming out that TM actually came back a second time looking for him to start a fight with him. It's amazing all the stuff that comes out after the trial is over.

Yes, you are right and that is what I meant when I was writing the message. The evidence pointed to self defense. As he was sitting there waiting for the jury to come back in I prayed that the right decision was made whether they found him guilty or not. I believe the right decision has been made.

Yeah, one of the most one-sided cases I have - ever seen... not guilty ! nm

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Agreed. The dead black kid was presumed guilty, killer - the killer innocent after

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performing a public service of ridding the neighborhood of a violent menace. The self defense lie is just a convenient afterthought that didn't need to be proven, and it wasn't. All we have is the word of a racial profiler, entitled cop wannabe with a very loose trigger finger, trying to get his backside out of a sling.

Well, of course. One witness was alive to speak, one dead. - What we know is that boy would

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still be alive if a hostile, armed man hadn't gone out looking for him.

What we do not know, nobody but the killer--that has been proven--is who escalated it into a physical fight and whether the man carrying a gun ultimately felt he needed to use it to defend himself. That none of us believe all the details of this foolish little man's account for a minute doesn't mean he couldn't have ended up fearing for his life. We just don't know. That's why he was acquitted.

Pretty smart, I'd say, and thorough. Anyone see the New Black Panthers outside? - As predicted?

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How bitterly disappointing it must be that - no race riots materialized.

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Verdict met with complete silence and resolve. Social network shows overwhelming sadness and grief. Enjoy.

It hasn't even begun yet - sm

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Your forgetting it's only been an hour or so. The police are prepared for a reason. When you have groups calling to kill all white people ("crackers"). When you have actors telling others it's okay to riot and loot if the decision doesn't go your way. When you have people "tweeting" that if Zimmerman isn't convicted to comit mass homicide, those threats have to be taken seriously. There are some very seriously disturbed people. As we were all waiting for the jury to come back in someone outside starting yelling guilty and they all started cheering and I heard some racist remarks towards Zimmerman. I think everyone believed that because this trial was fueled by hatred that they would get their way and he would be convicted. I think they are all shocked right now, but it's still early. Time will tell.

there are some very seriously disturbed people - indeed

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Next day, here we are. The devastated victim's family - and their supporters

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are taking the high road, either headed to church or conducting somber, silent protests and the racist fear mongers are hard at work, trying to incite a riot. Ya got no takers, which leave us with the question: What if you held a race riot and no one showed up? What does it all mean? Hmmm.....

Haven't you heard? The SPD took their marbles - and went home. nm

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Yup, knew it would only be a matter of time - Violence already starting

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They didn't get their way so now starts the violence.

Protestors broke windows and started fires and vandalized cars on Oakland.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEIGHBORHOOD_WATCH_CALIFORNIA_PROTESTS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-07-14-06-36-06

The only mention of violence is yours. - sm

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"Raucous but largely peaceful" is a far cry from violent. Just ask the Oakland PD, who made no arrests....at least, that's what your link says.

Here you go - Violence - wanna try again?

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In Oakland, protesters broke windows at the Oakland Tribune and started small fires in the streets. Local media reports said some Oakland marchers vandalized a police squad car and police formed a line to block the protesters' path.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEIGHBORHOOD_WATCH_CALIFORNIA_PROTESTS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-07-14-06-36-06

I was not lying. Just because you don't want to believe it does not mean it's not true.

Why would I? Already searched this same link - for the word "violence."

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Came up with a big goose egg. If there had been any, don't you think the OPD would have made arrests? They didn't. Once again, "raucous but largely peaceful" is a far cry from violence. It's your own link, not me, that argues against your claim.

So, broken windows and fires do not constitute violence - Truthhurts

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Guess not.

So sad that people can be blind.

Not according to the linked article or OPD, - who

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are not, shall we say, exactly known for their restraint. Sorry. Race riots and looting are only figments of the winger's imaginations, as was easily predicted just this time yesterday. I know how disappointed you must be. Better luck next time.

Only in Oakland. Loonies in California. - nm

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NYC, DC, Chicago, Tallahassee, LA, Atlanta, - Milwaukee

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Within first 24 hours.

Typical. If you don't take the side of the black male, - you are a racist. Ridiculous, as usual.

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Wow. Exercise of 1st amendment is no reason - for all this anger.

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More ridiculous.

can't believe verdict either - mts

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Bottom line is Zimmerman was told not to follow this kid and now this boy is dead. Unbelievable!!!

Following was not a crime. Trayvon obviously was - the aggressive one... the criminal. nm

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Don't worry. Sharpton is at it already trying to start trouble. - Truthhurts

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P.S. See link - Truthhurts

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http://www.businessinsider.com/al-sharpton-george-zimmerman-verdict-not-guilty-trayvon-martin-2013-7

Translation. Civil suits forthcoming. Can't wait to see - the weasel take the stand.

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So sad that you can't see justice prevailed. - Truthhurts

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There was not enough evidence from the get go. The only reason this came to national headlines was because of idiots like Sharpton.

Why is it that the black community can never believe that justice can be done unless it's black-on-black?

I'm not being racist here, I just don't understand why every time a black person dies from the actions of someone other than their own race that they act out and have to riot?

If a white person is killed by a black person, nothing hits the national news like this. Usually no civil suit is brought by the white person's family and definitely the DOJ does not get involved.

If a black person is killed by another black person, nothing hits the national news like this either,a civil suit is never filed against the person's family and the DOJ doesn't get involved.

I just wish people would get the FACTS of a case before going off half-cocked and incite or inflame with race baiting.

It's unbelievable that you can say these things - and then proclaim

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"I'm not being racist here." I am not the one with the blinders. I'm the one who is absolutely horrified at the thought of what black parents raising their innocent children must be feeling tonight. Trayvon Martin was tried and found guilty for his own murder while walking home too slowly on a rainy February night. Don't feel sad for me. Feel sad for yourself for not understanding that.

Stop trying to make this about Al Sharpton, the black community, black-on-black crime, or any other of your half-cocked nonsense. This is about Americans and about the kind of America we want to live in. Here's what some of them are saying tonight:

Rep Hakeem Jeffries: #Zimmerman verdict inexplicable. Justice delayed will not be justice denied. #IAmTrayvon

Rep Joaquin Castro: Defense attorney Mark O'Mara may incite a riot by his arrogance alone. Talk about adding insult to injury.

Rep Elijah E. Cummings: Turn your pain into passion and your passion into purpose. Now is the time to do so for #JusticeForTrayvon

Michael Steele: Defense Atty: "If George Zimmerman were black, he never would have been charged with a crime" Is he high?

GOP Rep Jerry Nadler: Trayvon Martin's death was a senseless tragedy & I'm deeply saddened tonight. Pleased that DOJ is continuing to evaluate evidence.

NAACP: "We are called to act. We will pursue civil rights charges with the Department of Justice, we will continue to fight for the removal of Stand Your Ground laws in every state, and we will not rest until racial profiling in all its forms is outlawed."

DOJ: “The department continues to evaluate the evidence generated during the federal investigation, as well as the evidence and testimony from the state trial."

The civil suits are a good place to start, but they are only a start. I personally look forward to seeing the gun-toting racist killer who walks among us being called upon to answer for his actions in an environment where preponderance of the evidence will prevail.

Oh, BTW, peaceful midnight protests are breaking out across the nation as we speak.

This isn't the first time a kid has been killed - sm

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As a person of color there is nothing in her post that let me to believe she is racist. She's just saying the truth.

You act as though TM is the first kid ever to be killed. Plenty more. Where is your outcry for them. Where is your outcry when a black child is killed at the hands of a black person. Where's your outcry at the kids who aren't black that die. Are they any less important? But TM was not just a kid. TM had a very extensive history of being in trouble. TM started this. He's the one who left and then came back to beat up GZ, not the other way around.

Don't worry though. I'm sure you'll be happy to know that GZ is not a safe man.

I am making it about Sharpton because he's trying to incite the people again - Truthhurts

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and you know that what I said about the various crimes is true. If it was white-on-black, it would make national news. If it was white-on-white, it wouldn't make national news unless is was a serial killer. If it was black-on-black, it wouldn't make national news.

Strangely, it was a new race that went to trial, a white Hispanic. Another screw-up by the MSM who helped propagate the trouble this trial has brought.

Those tweets show that the reps were not following the trial and do not know the whole story or circumstances. This is where stupid stuff happens. Just like when this first happened, everyone jumped to conclusions instead of waiting for the full story.

It didn't help that one of the TV stations blocked out part of Zimmerman's 911 call that made him sound racist.

The phone records from Martin shows that he wasn't the innocent "kid" everyone tried to make him out to be.

It didn't help that the media kept showing the photo of a 12-year-old but never a photo of him at his real age of 17 until during the trial.

Justice was done. This should never have been brought to trial. There was not enough evidence. In the beginning, even the prosecutors didn't want to touch this because there was not enough evidence.

The police didn't want to arrest Zimmerman because there wasn't enough evidence.

Zimmerman was charged mostly because outside political pressure via Obama, Holder, Sharpton, Jackson, and NAACP. That's the ONLY reason he was arrested.

If anything, it was a case of self defense. The trial showed that and that's why he was found not guilty. What the NAACP and DOJ, Sharpton, etc.want to do is ABUSE the system. According to them, it's never justice unless the white person on trial (not the Zimmerman trial), any white person have to be found guilty even if they are innocent and it seems like that's the way a lot of people feel.

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The peaceful protests that you are talking about are filled with hatred and so is your post.

Some believe the expectation of = protection under the law - is hateful and

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that standing up and saying it out loud is reserved for a privileged few. I'm not one of them.

"If a white person is killed by a black person, nothing hits the national news like this." - you don't get it, do you?

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If the role were switched in this instance, of course it wouldn't be national news because the black guy would have been charged with a crime from the get go and he would have had his fair trial just like it happens every day.

I agree the law is the law, but something is really wrong when just because black people broke into another home, that every black person walking through the neighborhood is a suspect and deserves to die on that premise.

Nobody said he deserved to die - What part of this don't you get

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Nobody can say if this or if that because that situation did not happen. A black kid was killed by a Hispanic man. I could say "if this" or "if that" and then twist it anyway I wanted to, but ever case is different. There have been many white people jailed and executed for killing black people so it does happen.

You fail to remember TM is the one who initiated this. He is the one who came back and started the fight. If he had not come back and had just gone home he would still be alive.

Zimmerman's lawyer said he caused his own death - sm

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doesn't that translate into he deserved to die?

And since evidence was introduced that the reason he feared for his life was because of all the black thugs in the neighborhood, none of whom was Martin, doesn't that translate into he deserved to die because he fit the profile? What other reason is there?

Oh, yeah, Zimmerman said he came back. Well, unfortunately the dead can't talk. And... how did Zimmerman get to the point where supposedly Marin attacked him? Zimmerman was apprehending his "suspect" after he was directed that his actions were not appropriate.

Yeah... go home little black boy. We follow you if you out. You not supposed to be out here with us white folk. See what happens if you do. You die. We talk. Us word against your dead buttocks.

Good thing YOU were not a juror ! You assume - while they used EVIDENCE ! nm

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I don't disagree with the verdict according to the law - nm

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Trayvon's actions caused his death. - --sad, but true.. nm

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yes,and a girl wearing a short skirt caused her own rape - nm

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No, a girl didn't go up to her rapers and start beating them - after coming back

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TM left then specifically went back to start beating up GZ. TM didn't have any wounds, GZ had a broken nose, a gash in his skull and back injuries.

Get your facts straight.

and what if she did? - nm

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It didn't happen. - nm

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End of story.

We have no proof GZ didn't start the fight, only his claim. - Some believe him. Some don't

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especially since he has shown himself to be quite the prolific liar and master of inconsistency. Asking a creepy stalker why he is following his victim is not justification for murder. End of story.

the fact that BP ceased when Martin was killed resulted in no evidence - of bruising, so

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he could have been attacked, but we don't know that, and since dead boys don't talk, we can only speculate.

But I like the karma spin.

Yes, because no black person has ever - sm

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gotten away with a crime...uh..like O.J. Simpson

$33.5 in punitive damages isn't exactly my idea of - getting away with it.

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Looking forward to the day all the bucks donated by cons to the Zimmerman defense fund end up in the Trayvon Martin Foundation coffers.

I would blame it on the law rather than the juries - jmo

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It's legal to carry a gun. It's legal to "claim" self defense even if the victim is the prey (he can't talk, so...).

Perfect recipe for murdering anyone you want as long as "in your mind" it's self defense. And again, if the victim is dead, you can claim whatever you want and under law it's all good.

Ain't guns great!!???

But don't follow this recipe if you're black, of course. It only works in the good ol' boys and gals club, like the ones that were joking and laughing with Zimmerman when they brought him in for "questioning" after he killed a Skittle wielding 17-year-old.

To answer your question, yes - Trigger Happy

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guns are great and we as Americans have a right to have them. The belief that our problems will go away if we get rid of guns is just naive. If criminals followed the law, they wouldn't be criminals. So what makes you think they will follow a gun law?

Good thing he had a gun ! Kept him from getting - his head bashed apart ! nm

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According to some because he "wasn't black enough" he was supposed to - lie there and let him beat him to death

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and not do anything about it.

There is no one to blame - The law is the law - And yes, they are great

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If he didn't have one he'd be dead. The law is great. Yes it is legal as it should be. The evidence does not lie. It was self defense. There were witnesses who saw TM attack GZ. Even if TM had lived there would still have been witnesses. The only thing is TM would have sat there and lied.

Nobody "murdered" anyone. A man was getting beat up by a guy and he did what he had to do to stay alive. That's life. You got someone on top of you beating you up you do what you have to to stay alive. When you're yelling get off me and the assailant is not what do you expect someone to do. Lie there and die.

There is no "recipe" except in your own mind because you want it to be so. His broken nose, gouges in his head and back injury were not "in his mind". If someone dies in the process of a scuffle there are still witnesses. There is still evidence. There are still expert forensic scientists. If a victim has no markings of anyone hitting him, but the person who lives it beat up, it's obvious who the aggressor is.

Yeah, guns are great!!! It kept him from being dying. There was another news story not to long ago of a girl who was in the process of being raped and an instructor at school had a concealed weapon and saved her from the rape because he had a gun.

Guess what...TM obviously thought guns were great too since he owned one and had a picture of it on his cell phone.

This is America and it is our right to own guns if we want to. That is why America is great. We are also allowed to defend ourselves if we are being beaten up. But now if you are not black (or black enough) don't follow that recipe. It only works if you have the right skin color that you can do whatever you need to to stay alive. If your white, Hispanic (or the latest fad - white hispanic (huh????) you are not allowed to protect yourself.

You cannot find one guilty - Trigger Happy

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if there is a reasonable doubt. The prosecution failed to prove that Zimmerman murdered Martin outside of self defense. Whether or not you agree with the verdict, you cannot convict one based on your feelings and emotions toward the case. I personally feel that second-degree murder was too high of a charge in the first place. However, I feel he should have been charged and convicted of involuntary manslaughter. That is just my opinion though.

I would also like to state that I find it irksome that the killing of a young black man is only newsworthy if the killer is of another race and yet everyday there is black on black killings and you don't see much about that in the news. Now...that doesn't make sense to me at all.

Totally agree with your first paragraph. - Please sm

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Some people I know have very strong opinions about GZ' guilt or innocence, but most of them never served on a jury. I was a juror for a case of assault with deadly weapon and the legal process involved is very different than what is shown on TV/movies. Exactly as you wrote, "...you cannot convict based on your feelings and emotions..." People who never served don't understand that. Heck, all of us jurors on the assault case wanted to send one of the witnesses to jail for being a jerk, but we were not allowed to.

I served on a jury once - Trigger Happy

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I always thought it would be neat but it is definitely not at all what people believe it to be. It isn't Perry Mason or Matlock by any means. Not to mention the fact that I was visibly shaking when we went in to give our verdict and it was announced for all to hear what we decided. We walked right by this guy's family and him...my nerves were shot and my heart was pounding. It is easy to sit at home and judge people and shout at the TV or post on the internet but it is a whole different thing to actually partake in the process.

Yes, yes, yes. - Please sm.

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Thank you for serving. Too many avoid it like the plague. It really can be a difficult process. Glad you saw your case to the end. For me, after a few weeks of trial, I was randomly chosen as an alternate minutes before the verdict was read and booted out of the courtroom, so did not see it to the end. Oh, I was so mad!

The - jurors

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did a good job in following the law. Our system worked the way it was supposed to work.

They apply the law,not the wims of liberal race baiters - nm

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Fortunately. I am very sad TM is deceased. No one wanted to go through this least of all Zimmerman. MOM zinged the media and he is right from NBC doctoring tapes to make Z sound racist to the president who had no business injecting himself to the special prosecutors will will now be hit with sanctions for withholding evidence, will have to reimburse the defense tons of money they spent trying to get said evidence. And special prosecutors who suspended and then fired whistle blower who reported the evidence not being shared.
Of course,you will never see the other side. Your brain functions differently. You will only see what you want. Living in Florida I could not resist telling you how it is though. TM's phone had 1000s of pics and texts related to his fighting,bragging about fighting,pics of underage girls,a pic of a bunch of jewelry on his bed, and was on suspension from school when he died.

What about GZ's past charges of domestic abuse, resisting arrest and - assaulting a fed agent

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It's not about their pasts, it's about what happened that particular night. There wasn't enough evidence to prove GZ was innocent or guilty--the verdict was based on reasonable doubt, lack of evidence.

He was not being tried for things in the past - that had nothing to do with this case

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You cannot bring past this or that into a case when nothing in his past had anything to do with this current case.

If that is the case then all of TM's past should have been brought in.

We need to stick to the facts as they are related to the current case. That's just plain ol common sense.

Racial profiling has everything to do - with the case

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as does his propensity to settle disputes with (domestic) violence, assault and battery on a police officer, resisting arrest and stalking "suspicious" citizens. We'll see what the jury in the civil action has to say about all that, won't we?

But he was not racial profiling. - Did you skip that part?

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There were a rash of break ins. He was in the neighborhood watch program. Watching out for people who break into others home. That means he was watching for any suspicious characters no matter what color their skin was.

Besides, you purposefully left out the part that TM was the one who came back after him, not the other way around. TM started the fight, TM was on top.

It doesn't matter what the jury in the civil action has to say. He was not racial profiling, but we all know what the outcome will be even though its not the truth. He will be convicted of something no matter what it is. Obama and Holder are making sure. Also, you can rest easy anyways because there are people who are going to go after him and hunt him down. I read a report someone said he will be dead within the year, so wishes will be granted.

If civil action is brought against GZ and his past is brought into it, then - TMs past can be brought into it, too. That's

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the way the court system works. So, if TMs family don't want the phone records, FB writings, etc. brought into a civil action, then they can't bring GZs past into it either.

Florida juries have to follow the law like every other state - I think.....

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I think from now on if a non-black person accidentally kills someone I think he should go straight to death row. No trial (he doesn't deserve one because he's not black). I think just throw him on death row. Don't even give him a chance to speak. And if a black person commits a crime on a non-black person they should automatically set free. They should not have to stand trial because the non-black person must have done something to deserve what they got. I think all people if they don't have any color to their skin should not fight back. They should just lay there while they are being beaten up and just take it and know that they will die right there (and be happy about it to). Don't call out for help, they don't deserve any. If they didn't do something right there then at some point in their life they must have done something. Maybe they stole a pencil in the first grade or something. They could be walking down the street minding their own business if they are getting attacked by one or more they deserve it. This should make the media and others happy. Hey its a win-win for them.

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Shellie Zimmerman and dear hubbie conspired to hide website contributions by spreading them around in various family members bank accounts. They planned to deliberately transfer the money in less-than-$10,000 increments to avoid mandatory requirements for the bank to report the deposits to various government agencies, including the IRS. The web funds were supposedly collected for Zimmerman's legal defense, but DH instructed Shellie to pay off their ...

Jul 12, 2013
link ...

Jul 15, 2013
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/10/justice/sanford-bill-lee-exclusive ...

Jul 16, 2013
http://www.nationalcenter.org/P21PR-Zimmerman_070213.html ...

Jul 18, 2013
From Orlando 07/18/2013 SANFORD, Fla. - The Department of Justice has put a hold on evidence in the George Zimmerman case, according to Sanford police. Zimmerman was acquitted of second-degree murder on Saturday in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin. The Justice Department is trying to determine whether to pursue civil rights charges against Zimmerman. ...

Jul 23, 2013
My reasoning for moving the Zimmerman posts here was because most the posts were just people "gabbing" about their opinion of it and was not offering any political input. I had figured that since everyone had been talking about other trials on the gab board, this is where the posts should go. Then the posts started getting more political and the arguing and name calling continued and I don't think anyone on the gab board was happy about that. So as political moderator I have ta ...

Jul 02, 2013
Just curious as to what everyone else thinks ...

Nov 24, 2010
Tom DeLay GUILTY: Jury Convicts Republican In Money Laundering Trial AUSTIN, Texas — Former U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay – once one of the most powerful and feared Republicans in Congress – was convicted Wednesday on charges he illegally funneled corporate money to Texas candidates in 2002. Jurors deliberated for 19 hours before returning guilty verdicts against DeLay on charges of money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering. He faces up to life ...

Nov 15, 2012
and passes Pfizer as the record largest penalty, paying $4 billion. ...

Jul 08, 2013
I watch Bravo Real Housewives series and Andy Cohen at 11:00 recap shows with guests. ...

Sep 06, 2012
Killed one wife. Other one missing. Was so afraid this would go the way of some other high-profile cases. I'm sure this arrogant sucker thought he was getting off. So glad he'll have to face the consequences of his actions. ...

Jun 04, 2013
I just found out my 2nd cat in 10 years likely has a cryptococcal fungal infection. The 1st one I did the whole treatment, surgery, biopsy, blood titers, fluconazole (150 bucks a month for a year), cost me over $2000. She got better, but about 6 months later, it came back and I could not afford to treat her anymore. I put all that cost on my credit cards. Well fast forward, I now have another cat with the same thing. Saw the vet (different one) and he wants to do a biops ...

Apr 14, 2014
I get caught up in murder cases like Jodi Arias, George Zimmerman and now Oscar Pistorius and discussions on HLN about the case. ...