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Reading the 23 EO's and truthfully, what does it solve?

Posted: Jan 16, 2013

Not much except spending money on studies and reports. Background checks for gun shows=good one but putting the ATF in charge of following gun purchases when they couldn't even follow their own during Fast and Furious? That's like the fox watching the hen house.

Trashing HIPPA is what Obama will do if forced to make private health reports public for all government databases.

Background checks on ALL gun sales means a private person won't be able to sell a gun unless they go through a gun dealer, which means more costs for the seller, too.

I see NOTHING that will stop criminals from owning, buying, or stealing guns, since they are usually obtained illegally anyway. Their names will still not be in a background check database like the LEGAL GUN OWNER's names.

All Obama's executive orders and/or "suggestions" for new laws will do nothing but make criminals out of private citizens.

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making criminals out of private citizens? - please explain how that works

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I know it's the latest buzz phrase, but I don't understand its meaning.

patronizing - ...

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of course you know what that phrase means.

She said she didn't, and I don't. How does it make criminals - out of people who haven't broken the law? nm

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no, I honestly do not know what it means - sm

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Is this like that old schoolyard chant: "Well, if you don't know, I'm not going to tell you?" lol. Believe me, if I want to be patronizing, I won't be ambiguous.

So again, can anyone tell me what this means?

evidently, "if you don't know, I'm not going to tell you" prevails - sm

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What a waste of time. Hours have passed, yet not one of these pitiful individuals can tell us what they are talking about.

(I guess they can't) - ...

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slogans and soundbites and fears.

It outlines a starting place for a long-term national commitment - To enhanced enforcement of existing laws and

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A frame work for a sensible and effective approach to gun safety reforms. It also deflates and diffuses extremists’ claims of unconstitutional, impeachable executive power grabs and marginalizes their and the NRA’s paranoia and fear-mongering tactics.

The first 4 measures are directed toward building a more effective background check database, removing barriers to that process and taking a positive approach to its utilization by federal, state and local law enforcement agencies and officials and private sellers. #5 introduces provisions for expansion of gun seizure protocols

#s 7 and 8 address gun safety and responsible gun ownership while #s 9 and 10 seek to define and document the current status of lost and stolen guns reporting programs and making that information available to law enforcement. #10 addressed the long overdue remedy to lack of stable, competent ATF leadership with the appointment of a Department Director.

Implicit in #s 12-15 are innovative programs to improve training for, response to and enforcement against active shooting incidents, expand understanding of gun violence causes and prevention initiatives, and develop and implement new safety technologies. I heard one of the Sandy Hook parents talking about fingerprint and palm-print recognition grips and access mechanisms for gun storage. Looks like the president heard her pleas as well.

#s 16 and 17 aim to clarify for MDs and the public, media misinformation campaigns regarding ACA provisions allowing MDs to CONTINUE social history constructs (and reporting) of patients’ access to guns in their homes. #s 18 and 19 seek to facilitate incorporation of police officer liaisons between school administrators, teachers and parents to formulate broad-based approaches to emergency response plans.

substitute "accomplish" for "solve" - sm

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A problem like this cannot be solved, per se. What we CAN do is admit we have a problem, and treat that problem with the respect it deserves. I believe the 23 measures accomplish exactly that:

I believe we have a responsibility to make a commitment to identify our problems through attention and research, and to develop policies and procedures in an ongoing effort to make firearm abuse RARE. I believe the 23 measures demonstrate such a commitment.

I don't think it makes honest citizens criminals BUT - it definitely makes

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honest citizens pay the consequences for criminals by forcing us into obeying even more restrictions that the criminals never have and never will obey. Of course, that's nothing new-exactly why we have so many prisons with cable TV, weight rooms, etc., and the tax payer pays for it. Tougher penalties for crime, prisons where the prisoners work and help provide for themselves-let them grow a garden or manufacture something they can sale and use the money for their upkeep-stop the slap on the hand or letting them go 3rd, 4th, 5th offense before actually doing something about their behavior. Tougher penalties would be a bigger deterrent to crime and would stop penalizing the honest citizens for the crimes of others, but we wouldn't want to violate the RIGHTS of the criminal now would we?

watch out there... - sm

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the NRA is IN THE BUSINESS of protecting the rights of violent criminals. You have it backwards, dear.

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