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AFFORDABLE Care ?? Honestly, reading this


Posted: Sep 25, 2013

http://news.yahoo.com/obamacares-average-monthly-cost-across-u-328-040209815.html My husband and I are healthy and can afford only catastrophic insurance, and we pay just over 300 bucks per month for the two of us now! We cannot afford to double this. I guess they will just have to put us in jail.;

Jail - Effie

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Thats a silly statement.. no one will go to jail. I am thrilled that I am going to be able to get insurance on my 18 year old grandson who lives with me. My brother was just diagnosed with prostaet cancer and we will get him on a better insurance plan as all he has is a near useless one offered by Six Flags. Obamacare may well save his life.

Silly statement? I think that was a bit of sarcasm, - but I cant afford that!

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I think we are going to find out this is anything BUT affordable. I see the whole thing being either eventually revamped or somehow repealed. Most people cant afford it..... and a friend of mine was just informed she is being dropped from her healthcare at her work... worked there 10 years, and they just said there is no way they can cover her now under Obamacare.. way too expensive... this is terrifying.

If you really can't afford it then look into - the subsidies.

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As for your friend, there's nothing scary about shopping on the exchanges for coverage that is NOT held hostage to employers who claim they "can't afford" to cover their workers AND a policy that will remain in effect should a job change occur.
Just read another article about subsidies... - are not going to amount to enough
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at least for me -still will be twice what I pay now. ..and you have a lot of nerve, really. You just assume employers CAN afford this?!!!! -not fair ! I think you will see the light soon, and you won't like it.
affording health insurance - Effie
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I think people without insurance have a lot of nerve thinking its okay to run to the ER for everything and expecting the taxpayers to pick up the tab...
Guess what? - That's not going to change
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The people who run to the ER for everything are still going to run to the ER for everything because they are still going to get it for free. They are still going to be exempt.

Nothing is going to change except that we will now have to pay more so they can continue to get free health care.
Guess what? You're wrong to presume - sm
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you know how patients who were previously uninsured and now have adequate coverage will behave once they have a primary care physician, affordable clinic visits, wellness care, regular checkups and followup for chronic medical conditions. My guess is they will opt for a brief wait in a clinic reception area over hours and hours and more hours of waiting in an ER where they will constantly get bumped behind others who show up with real emergencies.
Guess what? I'm not wrong - YOU are
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I don't "presume" anything. I do my research. All your fairy tales and candy land perfect health care is just a dream. Unfortunately it isn't based on anything but the lies they keep spoon feeding people. There is absolutely no proof of your fantasy.

The hard truth is that illegals, low income, etc still will not be paying (they are part of the selected exempt). They will continue to flood the ER with their non ER visits. Nothing is going to change as to the order of which patients will be seen. Your dreams of them sitting there for hours and hours (wow how compassionate of you). They are not going to sit there for "hours and hours waiting in the ER where they will consistent get bumped behind others who show up with real emergencies". That would be funny, but the sad thing is you actually believe that. They will not have a primary doctor. People who do have primary doctors will have longer periods to wait for their appointments. This fairy tale you speak of sounds like something put out by yours truly. Unfortunately there are no facts to back it up.
You obviously haven't spent much time - around an ER
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and it seems like you don't have the foggiest notion about the delivery of health care to "illegals" either. I do, since my husband and I have been uninsured and receiving our medical care from the Harris County Health System for the past 5 years. In 2011, 44% of Houston's population was Hispanic (927,000) and of those, around 400,000 were undocumented. Harris County does not refuse services to them or to the 29% of Houston residents who are uninsured.

My husband had the occasion to go to the ER twice in the past 3 years. The first time was for acute symptomatic hepatitis that resulted in a systemic "bilirubin itch." His levels were through the roof and he had raw areas on his arms and legs where he had scratched to the point of bleeding. That was a weekday ER admission. It took 42 hours for him be seen. They were very clear when they explained how they triage and prioritize their patients. Worst first, as it should be. It has nothing to do with your little "how compassionate of you" dig. It's just a fact of life.

The next time was late on a Saturday night, after he fell from his commercial truck and broke 3 ribs. He was having difficulty breathing, was in intense pain and was at risk for punctured lungs due to the location of the fractures. That visit took 59 hours, since the weekends see many gunshot wounds, stabbings, and serious auto accident victims come through there.

By contrast, despite the huge patient population overload HCHS services, the clinic system is excellent and we have an outstanding primary care physician there. I am very proud that I live in a place that does not treat undocumented residents and their kids in any other way but EQUAL when it comes to medical care, AND that they manage to provide superior services. I can't even say the ER is an exception to that despite the wait, since they see more than 100,000 patients every year and their Level 1 trauma center is second to none.

Oh, BTW, if the cons had their way and were able to maintain status quo, the uninsured folks going through the ER would not be confined to the undocumented population. It would be all 45.7 million folks described in the link below. You might want to notice that 8 out of 10 uninsured patients, many of whom seek their medical care in the ER, are NOT illegal. Crunch the numbers. There is NO WAY Obamacare is not going to immensely improve that situation.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/the-real-uninsured/
You obvious have no idea about me or where I work - and factcheck???
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ER is 85% of my work. I understand it more than you think.

Factcheck is anything but factual. Factcheck, brought to you by The Annenberg Foundation.
The entire analysis was conducted by the - Kaiser Family Foundation
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Maybe you've heard of them before. They are a private nonprofit and are as nonpartisan as they come, something you have little tolerance for, no doubt since they toe no party line, just cold hard facts. They've been around 65 years and are a major source policymakers, the media and health care organizations go to for policy analysis, research, health news, and public health information data and stats. They have impeccable creds and I'd put them up against your linkless claims any day, informed by an alleged behind-the-scenes remote scribe with a political agenda that is marked by staunch refusal to face facts.
ER disagreement - irritable
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Are you 2 anywhere near each other geographically, because different areas and different types of hospitals have completely different responses.
I work in an ER as an aide - Yes,
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patient's are triaged based on need, but once a patient is back in the exam room, they aren't moved if someone worse off comes in after them unless it is an extreme emergency, which it almost never is.

Are there no urgent care centers in your city? And what city is that, by the way? I'd like to know so I can stay away from there. One hospital inundated with so many traumas that it takes 42 and 59 hours for a person to be seen at all. Sounds like a warzone. And it sounds like BS.

Illegals are just that ILLEGAL. I don't know why you put it into quotation marks. They make up a significant portion of ER patients everywhere because they don't have to pay and they know it. So, who pays for that? And how exactly is Obamacare going to change that? Give me facts. Give me references to your facts. Do some actual research into it instead of continually spouting the same tired sermon and show me in black and white why I should believe you.
It's Houston, and ****** - sm
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*********. The first qualification for a Harris County Health System employee is the ability to deliver genuinely compassionate health care to all patients AND to have a real appreciation for the diversity of our community....Houston being a majority-minority place. *********. From a public health standpoint, it simply makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER not to provide health care to all our residents, regardless of how you feel about their legal status or lack thereof.

That "almost never" thing does not apply either. It happens a lot in a large city where 29% are uninsured. That is why I am looking forward to seeing the improvement ACA will inevitably bring, along with its wellness, preventative, and primary care benefits and regular followup for chronic conditions. Also, I never said anything about being bumped from the exam room. Fact is minor cases that inundate big city ERs (that have plenty of Urgent Care facilities that turn the uninsured away in droves without so much as the blink of an eye) spend morning, noon and night waiting for the steady flow of real, serious, life-threatening ER cases to abate. In other words, cons status quo delusions simply don't cut it in the real world.

There's a reason for the quotes, but I won't waste my time or yours trying to explain it to you, other than to say that illness, disease, injury, pain and human suffering does not recognize status, only flesh and blood. Beyond that, I have no interest in delving into the problems you are having ****** of accessible, affordable health care for the 80% of 45.7 million uninsured fellow AMERICANS or their 20% quote illegal unquote uninsured counterparts.

Shared taxpayer funding of the Medicare and SS programs is immensely effective and widely popular. I am looking forward to the similar success of ACA, which I view as the first step toward single payer/universal coverage.

For the record, I couldn't care less **********
Of course you have no interest in showing me - the cold hard facts
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Because you don't have them. None of you ******** do.

And you can *********, because I couldn't care less what those ILLEGALS are going through. They can stay in their own country instead of sponging off of my taxes. Provide a link to your numbers otherwise they don't mean a thing.

Call me heartless, but I have no interest in helping out criminals. They broke the law by coming here illegally. They can live with the consequences of their choices. If they want to see a doctor, let them pay for it like the rest of us have to. If they want free healthcare, let them be locked up like the criminals they are. If it's good for the rest of us, it should be good enough for them.

If you want to support them, by all means do so out of your own pocket. Let them sleep on your floor, eat your food, bathe in your tub... whatever makes you happy. But the rest of us shouldn't have to pay to make your ******** feel better.

You ******* for Obamacare, and I cannot take you seriously at all. You have no facts to back up your claims and you refuse to provide them. You have nothing and you know you have nothing. Typical.

She provided a link - to the numbers
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in one post and referred to the Kaiser study in another post. You must have missed it or ignored it in your ******. Where are your links? What proof do you have that your ****** is a shared American value?

I'd much rather associate myself with an affordable health care advocate than a shill for the anti-everything minions. ********* Just saying.
I want to know how Obamacare - is going to fix
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any of the problems with people NOT paying for healthcare. I don't need to know what percentage of the population of Houston is Hispanic and illegal. I want to know who is going to pay for those who still will not. I want to know how "There is NO WAY Obamacare is not going to immensely improve that situation."

Show me that.
Not rocket science. - sm
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Some uninsured seek medical care in the ER because they cannot afford the cost of conventional acute or long-term medical care. Interestingly enough, uninsured people make up less than 30 PERCENT of the unnecessary ER visits, with the remainder being patients with employer-sponsored insurance coverage who show up with nonemergency conditions or conditions preventable through outpatient care, according to an April 2013 report from Truven Health Analytics.

Logic tells us ER charges are billed to the insurance carriers for those who choose to abuse ER services instead of establishing regular primary, wellness, preventative and followup care. Logic also tells us that once the uninsured are insured, those charges will also be billed to carriers they did not previously have so, at the very least, ACA will decrease the amounts of outstanding charges previously amassed by uninsured people.

As for collecting the balances left due on the bills, whether they be from currently uninsured and/or insured patients or future insured patients who abuse the ER that were previously uninsured....ACA was never designed to address that problem. Its provisions are limited to making insurance affordable and accessible. No one is making the absurd suggestion that it functions as a payment guarantee for hospitals and health care providers that will take their books out of the red and into the black forever and ever.

I think we can all agree that recovering large percentages of previously unpaid ER bills FROM INSURANCE COMPANIES instead of taxpayer funds is an improvement. It also remains to be seen precisely how newly insured patients will approach their health care once their mandated insurance coverage provides them with the previously mentioned options not available to them before ACA, i.e. conventional medical care. One thing is for sure. You cannot state with any certainty whatsoever that the less than 30% currently uninsured ER patients will continue to abuse the ER after they obtain insurance coverage and continue to refuse to pay. That is nothing more than the tiresome slacker mentality you choose to embrace, the very same 47% mindset that helped tank the 2012 election for the GOP.

If you still insist that is the case, then I think the onus is on you to "show me." So far, you have failed to post single source for your unsubstantiated prognostications.

This is what a source looks like:

http://www.fiercehealthcare.com/story/70-er-visits-patients-employer-sponsored-insurance-deemed-unnecessary/2013-04-29
Is there a single word in this post - that isn't a personalized attack
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Void of political content. Looks like less than nothing to me.
The entire post is not an attack AND HC IS political - and how is your post political?
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nm
I don't see one - sm
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The words you/your were used 20 times in a very small amount of space.
o.m.g. - no asterisks for you, I guess
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evangelicals...save your sermon...shill...you have nothing and you know you have nothing. Typical.

I can't believe that people were prohibited from responding to this nasty screed.
Thanks - Missed that one - Moderator
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It was late, thought I went through all the messages.
Brava! - nm
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agree - sm
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unfortunately, once again, I see that several intelligent posts in this thread have been sliced and diced to accommodate the delicate sensibilities of certain posters who, on the one hand, enjoy the freedom of railing at society, but when faced with intelligent discourse, go running for paternalistic protection.
Without income, residence, age, and - household composition info
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it is impossible to assess the veracity of this claim. It certainly does not jive with recent reports that show lower premiums and a wider variety of competitive policy choices in the 36 states where the federal exchange program will be either fully or partially implemented. Naturally, the red states that have decided to opt out in an effort to destroy the program are not faring nearly as well. If you happen to reside in one of those unfortunate locales, perhaps you should take up your gripes with your state reps.

BTW, there is no such assumption made in my previous post, but now that you mention it, employers like WalMart and Denny's, who most definitely CAN afford to cover their workers, have been endorsing policies that would shift that burden from threatening their profits to pillaging the Medicaid taxpayer coffers. From where I sit, I'm not the one with "a lot of nerve," THEY are.

What you just wrote is a silly statement - sm

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What works for you does not work for everyone else. That's great you can get insurance for whoever lives with you if you even do have a grandson living with you. (Everyone here who supports it always has a "great news" story that finally they will get insurance or knows someone or their mom or dad or whoever and it always just so happens that they have some terminal illness). So that's great you can get insurance for them.

However, it's a silly statement to tell other people that what they wrote is silly. You act as though you know everything about the health care and I can assure you that you do not. It's like some people have these pre-existing rebuttles written out ahead of time to try and prove others wrong that are not for it and will not be able to afford it. You don't know all the fact and you don't know everyone's situation.

The sad fact is that while ALL of us do not know everything about the HC, many of us who this is affecting DO know a lot about it and how it will affect us, and the consequences, so it's silly to come on here and tell people they are wrong, have been lied to, blah, blah, blah.

Did you read about the family whose premiums tripled? There are a lot of people who are not going to be able to afford this. Subsidaries are not for everyone. The sad truth about this is that premiums are doubling and in some case tripling for some individuals. The simple fact is that we are going to get our rates raised to help pay for those who will not be paying.

This is not a great thing. They've rushed into this and don't have it all figured out. Even the people who wrote this admitted this and have come out and said it's a train wreck. They seem to think by raising the rates on a few of us it will pay for everyone who they are exempting.

One sure sign that this is a piece of you know what is they refuse to join. They are giving exemptions to all of their buddies who contribute to their campaigns. Big businesses were the first to get exemptions, then themselves, wall street and all the people with money they get kickbacks from. Then you've got the illegals who will not have to pay. The only ones not getting exemptions are the middle income who work. We are having to pay more to subsidize all of them. On top of that doctors are dropping out of practice, retiring early and doing other things. Many refuse to remain in practice because of this. You can try and rubut that all you want, but it's a fact/truth.

I read many articles from many sites. I'm not going to tell you which ones, but I understand a lot of what is going on as I have to since it will affect me. It's not a simple "oh isn't this dandy, everyone will get coverage". There is a lot more to it than that.

If your brother has cancer, "Obamacare" is not going to "save his life". That's a silly statement. My uncle had the best health care ever. He had cancer. His "health care" didn't "save his life".

Unless you have an open mind and start reading things other than what the msm is feeding you, you will never understand what truly is going on.

Peoples premiums are skyrocketing to the point where some don't have enough to pay. Maybe people make so much money they don't get these subsidaries, yet their housing, kids, bills, and everything they have eat up everything they make. What do people suggest, that families starve and go homeless just so they can pay into this? From my research there are a lot of things that are not factored into what people can afford for health insurance.

* Nobody knows everything about this.

* Doctors are not going to be in business anymore

* People will be paying fines or going to jail if they don't.

* And yes, that two dreaded words so many people tried to laugh off (death panels) are indeed for real. Whether or not you want to believe it. Like with Indiana Jones in his movie...you can call a snake a stick if you want, but it is still a snake.

Saying that they will have to put her in jail IS a silly statement! I'll get off - your lawn now. nm

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Not really - and I don't have a lawn
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Why do you presume to think I have a lawn? If so what would you be doing on it? Is there some kind of hidden message that we are all suppose to be aware of about lawns?

When people don't pay their taxes they go to jail. If you don't believe that that is your prerogative, but people do go to jail for not paying taxes. So pay the tax or go to jail. Pretty simple really.
The phrase "get off my lawn"... - helper
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...is something that old, cranky people who won't listen to reason tend to say. Think Grandpa Simpson.
Why doubt that I have a grandson ****? - Effie
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In fact, I have EIGHT grandsons, and four granddaughters but only one grandson and two granddaughters live with me.... want copies of their birth certificates?? They were NOT born in Hawaii,so I assume you would not believe their bc are fake.

Having access to health care through having better health insurance will most certainly save my brother's life. Oh, and he is a republician too, but guess what, he now is happy with Obamacare.
No one will go to jail over unpaid taxes regarding health care.
I wondered the same thing - sm
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the poster spoke to you as if to suggest you were lying. I can't imagine why that was necessary. Enjoy your grandkids.
Whose Grandpa Simpson? - sm
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I have never heard old cranky people say that. I did hear the father say it in the movie Transformers.

Who is Grandpa Simpson. OJ Simpson?
"Whose" Grandpa Simpson? - helper
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Why Bart Simpson's grandpa. I guess old people don't watch "The Simpsons."

You - really

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need to read a little more thoroughly. Look up other articles too that tell you how much your family size and income will receive in tax credits. I'm not sure why people don't research before jumping to conclusions.

Just this morning reports were on the news that premiums...sm - VTMT

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were actually coming in lower than expected. After the tax subsidy, much lower than expected.

but not lower period, that is the key - Dagny

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I just found a rate calculator, and it shows that I will be paying more than I'm paying now even WITH a subsidy. Oh, and by the way, my insurance already went up $100 a month last year thanks to Obamacare.

Did anyone read the paragraph in the article that the OP mentioned where it says that states who have more competition have lower premiums. We don't need Obamacare. What we need is the government to get out of our way, allow insurance companies to sell across state lines. More competition means more choices and better rates.

And I don't see how those yahoos in Washington think that they will get all the young people to sign up. There aren't any jobs available for them, so where will they get the money?
Ka-ching - By George YOU'VE got it - Good observation
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Most people will be paying more. Not everyone gets a smubsidy.

Your second paragraph is what America has been saying. We don't need a socialized health care system. Heck, even the socialist countries are saying that. We need competition. We need insurance companies to offer competitive rates. Across state line rates. Something republicans have been trying to get passed. Looks like you've been paying attention in basic economics. The more competition the more choices and better rates.

Right now with this system we will have no choices on health care or rates. The government wants to tell you exactly what you have to buy whether or not it fits your needs. They also penalize the working people while giving exemptions to themselves, the poor, foreign, illegals, and everyone they feel they will benefit from.

The young people will not sign up and on top of that we've already seen massive layoffs and companies cutting FT to PT so they don't have to pay health benefits.

Where will they get the money? You and me who they are tripling our rates to pay for those they are giving it to for free.
"We don't need OC?" 45.7 uninsured Americans - beg to differ. nm
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nm
That leaves 54.3% that say we don't - nm
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It's not a percentage measure. It represents - MILLIONS of uninsured, and
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guess what? Those who say "we don't" lost the election in 2008 when McCain campaigned against health care reform (just ask him, he said so as recently as today)....and again in 2012 when Romney said his first act would be repeal. Mandate got mandate, and even McC knows that elections have consequences, especially for those who lose.
It still is lower than the people who don't want it - and...
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This has nothing to do with McCain, Bush, Romney, Palin, Ali McBeal or Quick Draw McGraw. It has everything to do with the fact that more Americans want a good health insurance plan (that WE choose and is not chosen for us), that we have the choice to even have insurance if we want or don't want it. Nobody wants to be told exactly what they will have, what is good enough, what is not, told our premiums are going up doubled or tripled, yet the level of care is going down or that we will not be able to get in to see someone for weeks or months, that some politician beurocrat will be decided the fate of our health care. This is about Americans wanting choices. To be able to choose how we want to address our health care needs, not a politician.

I don't care what politicians say. They usually say things they think will get them elected/reelected.

This is about if you are going to force people to be enslaved by a system then you enslave EVERYONE. You don't exempt yourself, your wall street and 1% elite buddies, illegals, and low income people while forcing middle income to pay more to cover them, scam.

This is about more Americans do not want this than those that do.
We live in a democracy, dear. - The voters have spoken.
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Suck it up.
I'm sorry... was there an election held where the - American
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people were allowed to vote for or against Obamacare? Where have I been? When did this take place?
They voted against the repeal candidate - and re-elected the ACA architect.
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in a clean election by a clear majority. McCain remarked about it just today, as soon as the full-of-bluster left the podium. I believe his exact words were we live in a democracy where the majority makes the laws. My favorite part was, "we lost," when he referred specifically to the GOP's relentless efforts to campaign on ACA repeal. Are you seriously trying to pretend Obamacare was not a major GOP campaign issue? Really?
No we do not vote for laws that would be too cumbersome - irritable
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I'm sure you only want to vote on the laws that you disagree with. The others that the Republicans put into place I'm sure were just fine handled by Congress.
The rate calculator posted here a while ago - showed mine at a reduced rate
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I think it was $68 dollars cheaper or something. Not a huge difference, but enough to restart my gym membership. I'm in California.

The Koolaid man must be rolling in the - dough

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So many people seem to be living off the stuff.

I don't understand why anyone bothers. You can't preach to the indoctrinated. People are going to believe what they want to believe.

I - think

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what the other side is feeding is much stronger than Kool-Aid.

Don't bother, then. Buh-bye. - me

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Personally I'd like see the crazy conservatives off this board.
That's right - because you
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crybaby libs can't take a differing of opinion with any sense of maturity without resorting to name calling and tattling to mommy and daddy overlord.

Disgusting, isn't it? - I'm not dim. I get it. (sm)

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So do most of the American people, poll after poll, but does Obama care? He__no. He only cares about himself.

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President Obama’s health care adviser Jonathan Gruber admitted that the Affordable Care Act might not be affordable while he was writing the bill with the White House. As Gruber continues to withhold documents while he awaits a call-back for more testimony before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee in the new year, more information is coming to light detailing what went into the writing of the health-care law. (RELATED: Daily Caller Publishes First Video Of Gruber Calling ...

I Honestly Don't Know How Any Self-respecting Liberal (sm)Oct 30, 2012
could watch MSNBC and call it news.  I'm serious about this.  They are now ridiculing Romney for collecting food and supplies for Sandy victims.  Anyone who watches this channel really must have screws loose.  They are all biased one way or the other, but this is just totally ridiculous.  If this is your channel of choice, you should be ashamed of yourself.  And save your breath telling me about Fox.  They would never stoop to this level. ...

Honestly, Why Would Anyone Vote For Trump?Jun 13, 2016
HONESTLY, WHY WOULD ANYONE VOTE FOR TRUMP? Donald J. Trump - Breitbart Red State Newsmax Drudge Report A few days ago someone I don't know asked this question on ... Facebook and a mutual friend (knowing I am a Trump supporter), tagged me and asked me to answer the question. Here was my reply: I am a Trump supporter for several reasons. I believe that our country is at a critical tipping point and we don't have an ...

Health Care Reform-Question About Canadian Health CareDec 03, 2009
So....a friend is for our US health care reform (already retired and on Medicare) because he had no trouble going to Canada to get laser surgery on his eyes so he wouldn't have to wear glasses and states there is nothing wrong with the Canadian system....but, and I'm asking a serious question here, how long do people really wait for emergent surgery if they belong to the Canadian system versus the American system as we have it now? How did Canada get their health care system up and ru ...

Bad Lip Reading...lolOct 11, 2012
This is just hilarious ...

Bad Lip ReadingJun 13, 2014
Thought these were funny.  Some of the other ones off the side bar are too, but this made me laugh.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRqKYXcL-2U   ...

Bad Lip ReadingJan 27, 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gneBUA39mnI ...

"What Makes People Vote Republican?" "...they Honestly PreferNov 21, 2012
This article is a short form of a fantastic book by psychologist Jonathan Haidt. A lib in the beginning, he started studying conservatives and morality and ended up liking and respecting, and valuing, the conservative approach to morality. Some initial excerpts, link to article at bottom: WHAT MAKES PEOPLE VOTE REPUBLICAN? What makes people vote Republican? Why in particular do working class and rural Americans usually vote for pro-business Republicans when their economic interests wou ...

I've Been Reading Up On The Flat TaxApr 14, 2011
Flat tax won't work. If they would institute a flat tax, they would close loopholes we all take at tax time. This is why Malcolm Forbes running for President was all for the flat tax. " Following the 1986 tax reform, the average income tax paid by somebody in the $50,000-$75,000 bracket indeed went down, and I mean way down--$1,100. The total tax take for that bracket went up $7.6 billion because there were many more taxpayers in that range in 1987. Fact is, taxes for virtually all tax bra ...

NEA Reading ListMar 04, 2011
Recommended reading for teachers from the NEA website.  You just can't have enough radicals/grassroots organizers.  Agitate + Aggravate + Educate + Organize http://www.nea.org/tools/17231.htm Recommended Reading: Saul Alinsky, The American Organizer   A Resource for Every Organizer & Anyone Contemplating Action in Their Community NEA recommends the following Saul Alinsky books to those members of our Association who are involved in grassroots organizing, especially ...

In Reading Over This Board And Seeing That TheFeb 26, 2011
unions, combined with the recent relaxation of child labor laws, I guess working for a living will be a family affair.  Who knows?  Maybe it will bring families together.  They can all get ready for work together.  No more school since they will be closed and a thing of the past.  The kiddies can work alongside Mom and Dad.  The more kids, the better, since families will need all the money they can get while they're working and scratching their way over the pov ...

Yet Another Thread About Reading :-)Mar 18, 2012
Obviously a lot of us love to read!   My question for everyone is do you keep a list of the books you have read?   I started doing this about 2 years ago because one of my kids came home from school saying that in class that day the teacher was talking about reading and said that she had heard a statistic that the average person reads 300 books in their lifetime.  Knowing me, my son heartily disagreed with that statement and said I probably read 300 books each year.   T ...

Been Reading A Lot About Bed Bugs, AnyoneSep 21, 2010
any ideas about how to get rid of the creatures.  I don't have them here personally but now I am totally freaked out and paranoid.  I keep reading about people bringing them home from vacation and that they are getting to be an epidemic in this country.  What do we do if we do get them?  How do you kill them?  Anyone know anything more about this - I totally dislike bugs.  I hate to kill any of them but ... ...

Interesting Reading. Jun 20, 2010
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/reel-therapy/201006/jon-stewart-sarah-palin-and-therapeutic-values ...

So, I'm Reading This Article...smAug 12, 2012
about how the Romney campaign kept secret who was going to be VP. A lot of the content is information from Beth Myers, head of the vetting process for Romney. And then I come across this line: "Included in the data collected by Myers and her team: congressional voting records, an exhaustive questionnaire and "several years" of tax returns -- she did not say how many. " Why would Romney, of all people, need "several years" of tax returns from his VP?   ...

Maybe I'm Reading This Wrong But WhereMay 20, 2017
All I see are big corporations building stuff in Saudi Arabia.  Am I missing something here? ...

Article Worth ReadingOct 18, 2009
http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Rich-Have-Stolen-The-E-by-Paul-Craig-Roberts-091016-883.html ...

RE: Oil Spill. Don't Bother Reading If You AreJun 10, 2010
their pocketbooks.   June 10, 2010 Dear Friend, I am a fourth-generation shrimper from the Gulf of Mexico and today I was arrested and charged with unlawful conduct for pouring oil on myself at a Senate Energy Committee. I was protesting Senator Lisa Murkowski's refusal to make BP pay for the disaster that is devastating shrimping communities across the Gulf Coast. Just imagine this: BP can get away with pouring millions of gallons of oil in our seas and I get arrested f ...