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Ann Romney should apologize
Posted: Apr 13, 2012
Imagining the reaction to her "I know what it means to struggle" remark if Democrats acted like Republicans
Ann Romney (Credit: Reuters/Jeff Haynes)
Nicely played, GOP.
Mitt Romney’s “I know you are, but what am I?” strategy, declaring President Obama the real perpetrator of a “war on women,” got an assist from CNN Democratic analyst Hilary Rosen Wednesday, when she questioned whether Romney should use his wife, Ann, as his expert on women’s issues when she “never worked a day in her life.” As feminists have known thanks to the silly Mommy Wars over the last 20 years, every mother is a working mother. Rosen, who is herself a mom who also works outside the home, has now apologized, as has every prominent Democrat from President Obama to Debbie Wasserman Schultz to David Axelrod (and probably FDR, from the grave).
But Republicans still won’t shut up about it. An aggrieved Ann Romney even told Fox News, “I will tell you that Mitt said to me more times than I can imagine, Ann, your job is more important than mine,” and added that as the mother of five grown boys, “I know what it’s like to struggle.”
Well, I’d like to demand that Ann Romney apologize to all women for equating the “struggle” of a wealthy mother who had full-time household help to that of a poor or working-class job-holding mother, who must choose between her job and her children when a child gets sick. How dare you, madam? Have you no shame? I’d like to demand that Mitt Romney apologize for his wife’s remarks, too. I’d like to hear every prominent Republican denounce Ann Romney for her heinous insensitivity to non-wealthy mothers who must work outside the home.
Wait. Ann Romney’s not a Democrat, and I’m not a Republican, so that’s not how the world works. Sorry about that. I apologize.
No, Ann Romney doesn’t need to apologize – but in a grown-up world, Hilary Rosen wouldn’t have had to either. The point Rosen was making was, and is, valid: Mitt Romney repeatedly refers to his wife, Ann, in lordly terms, “reporting” to him what matters to women.Reporting to him, like she’s an employee, or maybe a translator. It’s valid to suggest that he ought to talk about what women believe from his own experiences, or what he learns from women colleagues, co-workers, campaign staff. He should stop referring to his wife’s “reports” about women’s issues, sounding like Thurston Howell III.
And the fact is, Ann Romney’s experiences are not the average woman’s. She is a woman of great privilege. Most mothers don’t have the “choice” to stay home full time with their kids; they need a paycheck. Meanwhile, her husband supports the Paul Ryan budget, which cuts nutrition programs for pregnant women and new moms and their kids. It cuts Medicaid for poor women and children. It slashes food stamp funding, when women and children make up two-thirds of the people who get food stamps. He wants to get rid of Planned Parenthood, which provides not just contraception but breast cancer and cervical cancer screenings for millions of low-income women.
In blasting the Obama campaign for the remarks of a Democrat unrelated to his campaign, Concerned Women for America called motherhood “the most important job there is.” Except when poor women do it, that is. Republicans crusaded to kill Aid to Families With Dependent Children (supported eventually by Bill Clinton and other Democrats) to make sure that poor women joined the workforce.
Motherhood is “the most important job there is” unless your children are poor. What a bunch of hypocrites.
I’m sure Ann Romney knows what it’s like to struggle. We all do; it’s the nature of being human. But in the political arena we really ought to be able to distinguish between personal struggles, and struggles that have social and political causes and implications. It reminded me of when Bill O’Reilly told Rev. Al Sharpton’s National Action Network, “I’m not black so I don’t know your struggle and you don’t know my struggle because you’re not white.” Nobody knows the troubles Bill’s seen, growing up on the mean streets of Old Westbury. I’m not saying that white people can’t face injustice, but to equate the black and white “struggles” is just ridiculous. Ann Romney is smart enough to distinguish between her own “struggles” and those of women who work at low-wage jobs and struggle to raise their children safely.
I debated the faux-controversy over Rosen’s remarks on “Hardball” today with Michael Steele:http://www.salon.com/2012/04/12/ann_...ize/singleton/
Thanks for getting back on task. - Another shot of reality...
[ In Reply To ..]Democrats are Being Wusses: Ann Romney's "Struggles" are Out of Touch, Just Like Mitt
Hilary Rosen’s comments on Mitt Romney stating, “Guess what, his wife has actually never worked a day in her life,” have left Democrats on the defense. I can’t imagine why the truth puts them in such a defensive position, practically cowering in a corner, sucking their thumbs after yet another Republican deflection.
Mrs. Romney has never had to struggle as a stay at home Mom — her life is grand, relatively speaking. Let’s compare her life to a real working mother’s, for example, her housekeepers.
Huffington Post reports:
IRS forms released Tuesday by Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign show that despite reporting income of $21.7 million, the couple paid only $20,603 in taxable wages for household help in 2010. This figure was divided among four women: Rosania Costa ($4,808), Kelli Harrison ($8,667), Susan Moore ($2,238) and Valerie Cravens Anae ($4,890).
According to a number of Boston-based domestic staffing agencies, the salary range for a housekeeper is between $20 and $30 an hour, which adds up to an annual salary of $40,000 to $50,000 based on forty-hour weeks and two weeks of paid vacation a year.
The above is only surrounding one of the Romney’s three homes, one of which is undergoing renovations to double its size.
Mrs. Romney has two Cadillacs which she uses to bring her kids to school (hint: it’s not a school bus), that is, if she didn’t have them chauffeured daily, while her husband worked tirelessly laying off working mothers.
The poor thing must be worn out after hiring a slew of housekeepers and deciding which car elevator to have built in their new house — perhaps she works off the stress riding her dressage horse — don’t we all have one?
Ann Romney’s first tweet:
“I made a choice to stay home and raise five boys. “Believe me, it was hard work.”
Hilary Rosen was not belittling working mothers, but highlighting the fact that this out of touch couple cannot possibly fathom middle class struggles.
CBS reports, “I know what it’s like to struggle, and if maybe I haven’t struggled as much financially as some people have, I can tell you and promise you, that I’ve had struggles in my life,” she added.”
On Fox News Ann said, “My career choice was to be a mother. We need to respect choices that women make.”
So, now Ann Romney is pro-choice, just as her husband was years ago before he wasn’t?
Of course, women are not always afforded the choice Mrs. Romney made to stay at home and ride her dressage horse, hire nannies and housekeepers — and given their tax returns, it’s akin to borderline indentured servitude. I give kudos to Ann though for raising her kids at all of their homes. That’s not the point. The point is, some women have to work and if they don’t their kids will not eat. In this housing market, to even keep a roof over their heads is a task that would blow Ann Romney’s mind.
Ann will be fine in her struggles; her husband made over $21.7 million in 2010 and his estimated net worth is estimated at $250 million (although he’s avoided pinning the figure down) and that figure is highly dubious. It’s likely he’s worth far, far more.
The public was already well aware of what Ms. Rosen meant by her statement and it was appropriate. What we’re witnessing is pure deflection. The Romneys in no way, shape or form can comprehend the struggles so many parents have to endure. Quit apologizing.
How many politicians - Trigger Happy
[ In Reply To ..]on either side of the aisle have had to struggle like we are right now? I think it is ridiculous that some of you are attacking this woman like this. Palin was a crappy mom for having a career. Ann Romney is a crappy person for staying at home with the kids. Are you libs ever happy? I've come to learn that if you are a conservative female, liberal women will chew you up and spit you out for no reason.
So the Romneys have a better financial life than most of us. Why are we mad that someone has done well for themself? Jealousy mayhaps?
Most politicians are out of touch with the way we live and yet that only seems to register with some of you when that politician is a republican. Well...I hate to break to ya'll....but democrats are out of touch too and if you want proof...just look at how they waste our taxpayers dollars. They just don't get it! Obviously some of you on this board don't get it either. Sheesh.
The biggest problem I have with our country is that we want rich people to apologize for being rich and the poor people just want handouts. Ridiculous.
How you guys can knock a woman for being able to stay at home with her kids is beyond me?
No one is critizing her for being a stay at - home mother SM
[ In Reply To ..]What is bothering me is the fact that she implies that she knows what it is to "struggle" in this economy, whether a stay at home mom or a working outside the home mom. You are missing the whole point. She has no clue what it is like to try to survive. She has no clue what it is to be a single mom with kids who has to work to provide for those kids. She lives in a privileged world. No one is bashing her for that, at least I'm not. I am offended that she is trying to equate herself to most women who truly do struggle. I hope women see through this pathetic attempt to decrease the huge divide of women voters.
Mrs. Romney is playing her part in the campaign strategy - Romney has no leg to stand on
[ In Reply To ..]but he is not above using her to get the attention away from his lack of sensible policies on contraception, equal pay, and help for nutrition, education and health care for poor women and children. Mr. Magic Etch-a-Sketch has to reinvent himself, so time to send in the wife.
Actually the Democrats threw AR into the mix - and it blew up in their faces - whaaa hahahaha
[ In Reply To ..]hehehohohaha
Like when the GOPs support of Limbaugh's slut rant - brought attention to
[ In Reply To ..]their legislative assaults on women's health issues nationwide, thus igniting the war-on-women dialog that has produced a 20% drop Romney's numbers among women voters? Somehow I think that little blunder will be a lot more costly. It's like comparing falling down and scraping a knee to self immolation.
That blew up in Lib's faces, too - - Yeah RUSH
[ In Reply To ..]You're spinning out of control with your DNC talking points..get a new set. Your material is OLD, OLD, OLD!
Except for the GOP's losing 20% of - women's support part
[ In Reply To ..]since January. First there was the Catholic/contraception flap at the end of January, then Limbaugh's rant happened at the beginning of March and, once again, the GOP chose the wrong side to support. In the meantime, all heck broke loose in the media and the state legislative reproductive rights initiatives got a bunch of coverage. So exactly what blew up in whose face? Go figure.
All the denial in the world can't coax horse back into the barn.
Acutal percentage is 8% - But you keep spinning
[ In Reply To ..]you're figures are off, as usual. But whatever helps you sleep at night.
19% is the lowest number consistently reported in the media but - it was 27% in
[ In Reply To ..]the poll linked below conducted by Langer Research Group, when women respondents were asked who they trusted more to handle women's issues. This poll was fairly comprehensive and has some interesting breakdowns and analyses. Because the disparity in the polls I have seen is so wide (19 vs 27), I felt comfortable low-balling THAT average and using 20%.
But I found the USA/Gallup swing states poll from April 1st to be even more pertinent (second link). Among the 12 swing states polled, Obama's overall lead among all registered voters (men and women) is 9 points (51% to 42%). 6 in 10 swing state women under age 50 favor Obama while Romney's support in that same group has dropped by 14 points, to 30%....meaning the president leads him by a 2-1 margin in that group. Among all women polled in swing states, Obama leads Romney by 18%.
So I'd be curious to know where you found that 8% number. Oh, by the way, I sleep quite well at night.
http://www.langerresearch.com/uploads/1136a22012ElectionUpdate.pdf
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-04-01/swing-states-poll/53930684/1
Wrong again *sigh* that is only liberal trying to - Spin the stats - much lower than you quote
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So I take it you don't have a source. - What a shock.
[ In Reply To ..]I gave you 2 and there's more where that came from, but it's your turn now. No need to go all ballistic just because someone asked you to back up your own claim. I'm afraid if you don't, the spin is all yours. I'm sorry you find these recent these poll numbers so upsetting, but you know as well as I do that the Mittster is in some deep do-do with women, whether you want to admit it or not.
You need the shock treatments - Pull up ALL the polls-not just the #s U like- :)
[ In Reply To ..]Libs are so out of control, lack so much research skills, they want to be fed everything like pablum. Then scream like a pig "not credible-didn't come from HuffPo or MM Bill the pig Maher". Ithe's "clear" libs are afraid, therefore the need to spin, spin, spin. Y'all would make a good washing machine. Yeah - would't hurt to clean up the party either :)
I did my job and posted some sources. - Suppose you do yours and try to
[ In Reply To ..]produce at least one link to a poll that shows Romney leading Obama with the women's vote ANYWHERE in the country. Considering how many insults you packed into those three lines, any rational human being would conclude you are the one running scared over Mitt's problem with women, as well you should be, since they make up half the electorate.
Come to think of it, he's not doing all that well with Latinos either. They are not some insignificant voting block one really can afford to lose, especially in swing states or ones where the candidates' voting margins are tight. Romney himself admits that, as things stand now, he can only get 1 in 5 of their votes, an unsourced number which appears to be a boastful exaggeration. You do trust a straight-from-the-horse's mouth figure, don't you?
You cannot blame this on the dems. One really does not have to look any further than GOP policies and state agendas to figure out why this is happening.
Blah, blah, blah - wa, wa, wa
[ In Reply To ..]No one on this board gets their talking points from you or has to follow any orders you post. You follow posters all over the place, squealing like a pig whenever you don't like what is posted or their references. Cough up a check for $50.00 an hour and I'll do the research for you - otherwise, grow up and move on.
I'll take that as a no-you-can't, just as I suspected. - We're done here
[ In Reply To ..]Your fixation on pigs is a crushing bore, but does convey a certain deficiency in your ability to engage in adult political dialog. I'm not interested in seeing the thread degenerate into vapid tit-for-tats the moderator would be compelled to remove (and rightly so, I might add). From this point on, you will be stalking yourself.
I actually find this really hard to believe that - the GOP has lost
[ In Reply To ..]20% of women (meaning they were supporting them before)over the women's rights issues. I live in a fairly conservative state and find that most of the conservative women are harsher on women than men when it comes to issues such as abortion, contraception, etc.
The school of red herrings - Always swims upstream
[ In Reply To ..]They never can distinguish between side stream tributaries and headwater forces.
This is not about whether or not wealthy pols, regardless of party affiliation, feel our pain. This is about the policies they promote and how they vote. You’re familiar with the “P” word, aren’t you? That’s what you and yours are trying to run away from in this argument. This rhetoric is just another distraction the GOP predictably drags out when they cannot defend some of their most unpopular agendas.
Palin, who often fanned the flames of the mommy wars and hid behind them when the going got tough, paraded her unmarried pregnant teenage daughter out on stage while preaching abstinence-only contraception and family values. Having been an unmarried teen at that age, I found that painful and horrific to watch. Call me crazy, but seeing a special-needs infant up on stage under the glare of spotlights seemed inappropriate as well but hey, that’s must me. Did that make Bristol or Trig fair game? Of course not. Did Palin’s Mama-Grizzley tactics render policy discussions on reproductive rights and opposing definitions of what constitutes family values in 21st century America off limits? Not on your life, though the GOP wasted no time in trying to bully those subjects out of the national dialogue. Mommy war reruns in 2012 will prove equally ineffective. Before leaving this subject, let me make this cyrstal clear. Palin's juggling act between raising a family and her political career is the ONLY thing about her that I REALLY ADMIRE. All things considered, I think she does that extremely well.
Repeating false accusations of attacking poor beleaguered Ann Romney will not succeed in taking the focus off the myriad of women’s issues that will be getting plenty of air play during this campaign, or the couple’s out-of-touch lifestyle as it relates to 99% vs 1% social and political agendas. Rosen, who quit her own job to stay at home with her kids for 5 years, has apologized. Democratic party leaders and officials and their supporters have clearly articulated their support of Ann Romney’s choice and respect for the hard work all moms do when raising their kids. BUT, you simply cannot equate the struggles of wealthy moms with the dilemmas moms who cannot find jobs or afford to go to work for bare-bones wages that produce negative-sum gains after child care expenses are paid. The fact that you cannot distinguish between the two is EXACTLY what out-of-touch means. The GOPs legendary attacks on programs and initiatives that address all these issues are what the Rominees WILL BE EXPECTED to defend.
Regardless of how many times you try to play that jealousy card, the fair share dialogue (another issue that overwhelming numbers of Americans support) is not going away either. Of course, you are free to use it as much as you like, but it is just another non-starter in the grand scheme of things. The transparent void of viable justification for corporate welfare, propping up the oil industry and more tax breaks for the ubers will still be staring you in the face at the end of every single day between now and November.
It is ridiculous that you think the poor want handouts - Where do you get these ideas?
[ In Reply To ..]Everyone just wants to have an opportunity! The playing field is far from level. Why has the middle and low income people's income stayed the same for the last 30 years and the rich has increased? Because the poor and middle class are lazy? Of course not. The rich are playing the system and wringing out every last dime from the middle and low income people. If you were a MT you would know this.
Aren't the "kids" in their 40s? - Living in the Basement?
[ In Reply To ..]I guess it is a tough life to have to manage all those mansions.
So we are criticizing - Trigger Happy
[ In Reply To ..]Ann and Mitt for sharing input with each other? I thought all spouses did this sort of thing. I value the opinion of my husband over pretty much anybody. I guess my biggest question is this...why should she have to apologize for having a good life? Is it because those who haven't been as lucky as she are jealous...because that is what it sounds like to me. Now let me ask you this...what politician in this country actually gets how us normal folk live? Not a darn one 'em. So why this hateful attack on a woman who has been lucky enough to stay at home and raise her 5 boys?
I guess I don't get some of you people. I remember liberals ripping Palin a new butt because how dare she leave all her kids to run for VP. She was such a horrible mother because she was putting her career over her kids. Now we have Ann Romney who has her intelligence questioned because she stayed at home to raise her 5 children. Now all of sudden that is a bad thing....how dare she!!!
Come on people! This is about as important to our country as what kind of bowel movement I had today.
Finally, just because Ann is a stay-at-home mom doesn't mean she knows nothing about politics or our economy. I think this board pretty much proves that people are free to do their own research and study things without it having anything to do with our jobs.
This is about the dumbest and most unimportant argument ever. There are much more important things going on.
Politics, our economy, and Ann - mbmt
[ In Reply To ..]"Finally, just because Ann is a stay-at-home mom doesn't mean she knows nothing about politics or our economy".
She might know something about politics, but I don't believe she would have a clue about what most women go through that are trying to make a living and raising children. I think that's just fine that she was a stay-at-home mom, but I do not think her life was anything like mine or the lives of most women in this country.
I still don't see why that is a reason - Trigger Happy
[ In Reply To ..]to attack her and then want an apology from her merely because she doesn't live like some of us. Why should she have to apologize for that?
Who is more out of touch? Someone who is financially stable enough to stay at home and raise her 5 kids without any money struggles or someone who wears $540 designer sneakers to feed the homeless?
All this anger at Ann Romney sounds nothing more than a bunch of whiners who can't stand her because she is rich...it all stems down to jealousy...IMO. Those evil rich people!
LOVE your posts - You're one of the few posters with
[ In Reply To ..]actual common sense. Every single, REGULAR liberal poster on here has proven over and over again what major hypocrites they actually are. They screamed for days because Fluke would not pay $ 8.00 for her BC pills and crucified Rush endlessly (whose listening audience has increased - backfired on them big time, just like Rosen did).
Their attacks on Palin for working outside the home are epic, as are their relentless attacks on each of her family members by a whole host of liberals. But please don't mention Obama's ears - that's RACIST (their favorite word).
You got it right; the biggest hypocrite of all is the one wearing the $540 sneakers, for God's sakes, to feed the homeless.
Second point you're right on: THE POSTERS HERE ARE SO JEALOUS OF THE ROMNEY'S IT OOZES LIKE THEIR HATRED FOR ANY ONE OPPOSING LIBS/DEMS TALKING POINTS.
Wonder how many of these bitten by the green-eyed monster would like to combat MS and breast cancer? Any volunteers? Didn't think so.
Apparently having medical problems - Trigger Happy
[ In Reply To ..]such as breast cancer and MS aren't really struggles. So much for liberals and their compassion. So what if she has fought breast cancer and has MS that will eventually cripple and kill her....she is rich republican...so who cares, right?
Romney should drop out of the race in consideration of his wife's illness - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I cannot believe he is forcing his sick wife to undergo the stress and strain of campaigning for US President. I guess what can you expect from someone who ties his dog to the roof of his car. Can you imagine how he will treat the servant US citizens?
Apparently the struggles of the millions affected by - GOP repeal of HCR should be
[ In Reply To ..]subjugated to and eclipsed by those of Ann Romney, who is the only person in the country who knows what "real" struggle is, huh? As has been previously pointed out, but obviously ignored, the Romneys can easily negotiate pre-existing conditions and cancer/MS treatment costs with or without insurance. By comparison, those among us who do not have $250 million in visible assets and uncountable tax-free millions parked offshore in blind trusts and Swiss bank accounts can just suffer a much more rapid decline, lose our homes and retirement savings (if we haven't already) to pay exorbitant medical expenses and die sooner so health care insurance companies can maintain their all-time record profits. 21st century compassionate conservatism, Romney/Ryan/GOP style.
You've GOT to be joking - what if
[ In Reply To ..]Here is another perfect example of hypocrisy.
Rag on the republicans if they have money, excuse the democrats.
Rag on the republicans if they are stay at home moms, but give the democrats a pass OR rag on the republicans if they have a career, but give the democrats a pass.
Libs are so pathetic. So Ann Romney has wealth so what!!! Michelle has wealth and you're okay with that. Michelle doesn't know what we are going through and struggling with each day. She's never had to struggle. Hillary Clinton never struggled.
Just because someone has wealth it doesn't mean they don't understand others struggles. Anyone with empathy (which obvious Ann has and one of those important characteristics Michelle is lacking in). You don't have to struggle or be poor to understand what those who are are going through.
C'mon people - give her a break! You are all starting to tear her apart for no reason like you did with Palin. I could tell the article was going to be a hit piece once I saw that they got the worst picture (which we all have had them taken) is up there. Then it said salon and that's all I needed to see. The article is just a bunch of garbage. Nothing of substance.
Ann Romney should apologize??? Are you ***** kidding me? I say not no, but he!! no.
Besides I'm still waiting for Michelle to apologize.
standard appetizer - Blowser
[ In Reply To ..]So tired of the cut and pastes. Just summarize or maybe even give your opinion not someone elses. Anyway, this is a staged event. Ann Romney doing what her husband asks, as all political wives do. There is nothing to attack Ann Romney about. Nothing to defend Ann romney about. The issue is POLICIES not wives. Romney's are extremely detrimental to women. Easy enough explanation for any pretty little head to understand (said sarcastically!)
I wouldn't trade my "struggles" for Ann Romney's for all the money in the world. - Zville MT
[ In Reply To ..]She's battled breast cancer and suffers from MS every day. There are some things money just can't buy.
Well then, perhaps DH should rethink his PP vendetta. - and the GOP should
[ In Reply To ..]revisit their behind-the-scenes interference with the Komen foundation that undermined the abundantly successful alliance those two organizations had shared over the years.
Hats off to the Romneycare model Obama parlayed into a national plan. I find hubbie's hypocrisy and flip-flop on that confusing. After all, repealing HCR would benefit MS suffers nationwide exactly how? Naturally, the Romneys don't have to be concerned about Ann's pre-existing condition or the cost of treatment. They've got that covered with or without insurance. Not so for my neighbor, a single mom who has had MS since she was in high school. She lives in fear of SCOTUS judicial actvism, a practice once reviled by republicans, that has enjoyed a surge in immense popularity recently among their ranks. She switched parties after HCR passed and is actively working for Obama's re-election, that is when she's not dealing with the bizarre side effects of her meds and spells with temporary blindness that are bound to increase in frequency if she can no longer afford the astronomical costs of her treatment.
and then Dems should - practice some compassion
[ In Reply To ..]instead of blinding hatred for everyone they are jealous of.
Dems have compassion for all breast cancer and MS patients, - including Ann Romney
[ In Reply To ..]But when it comes to GOP hypocrisy and policies that seek to limit breast cancer and MS patients' access to health care and affordable insurance coverage, that's when the zero tolerance kicks in. You won't get much mileage out of the breast cancer thing since Mitt has emphatically promised to shut down PP, a move that will eliminate 2 million breast and cervical cancer screenings each year and further undermine Komen Foundation success. You guys painted yourselves into a corner with this and do not the a leg to stand on when it comes to women's health issues.
Show me Romney's plan to address the void left after he shuts down PP. I am particuarly interested in how compassionate he is toward the low-income women it will affect. You remember them, don't you? So does Romney: "I'm not concerned about the very poor." How does all this square with embracing the Ryan plan to dismantle the safety net Mitt claims is there? I guess we need to start asking this question every time women's health issues are brought up: "What would Ann do?" Is that the advice she is giving DH when she "reports in" on all things female?
Can't prove Dem compassion - by these hypocritical posts - nm
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What does "I am not concerned about - the very poor" prove?
[ In Reply To ..]Most people find Mitt's "very poor" choice of words pretty insensitive. Did he ever apologize?
Proves the Dems AGAIN took the entire - sentence out of context -nm
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You must be talking about all that - champion of the middle class malarky
[ In Reply To ..]Examination of his record and just about everything that comes out of his mouth provides ample evidence to the contrary, which essentially makes that "context" not worth mentioning.
Context "not worth Mentioning" - Only if spinning lies
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The only one spinning lies here is Mitt Romney - Champion of the middle class
[ In Reply To ..]What a joke.
Keep up the spin Maytag *sigh* - Obama- Champion of the 1%
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How can that possibly be out of context? - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I watched him on TV when he said it. I believe he also said that he's not concerned with the very poor because there are safety nets for the poor.
On the other hand, he supports the Ryan budget, which kicks the poor to the curb.
So which is it that Romney supports because he simply can't have it both ways.
Out of context - Will speak slowly so you understand
[ In Reply To ..]The only portion posted here is what a FEW thought would make Romney look bad. There was a whole interview, which posters completely ignored. Romney stated (paraphrased) that, although there were safety nets for the poor, that is NOT where concern for poor or any other American should end. Romney was interested in all Americans working, getting on their feet, improving their lives to they level they wanted, all the while helping those that needed help until they got on their feet and were able to provide for themselves.
Huge difference from what you tried to misrepresent here.
That's the problem with the libs on here. You NEVER state the whole story, which sheds light on the intellectual dishonesty and misleading posts by the Libs/Dems. BTW - You're way off on the Ryan plan assessment, too. At the rate, Obozo is going with no budget in 3+ years, Medicare is scheduled to be bankrupt 2015. Yeah, according to you that's okay, though, because it is Obozo. No plan by Obozo to do anything; just spend. Seems okay by you to sacrifice all those poor people to slaughter.
Now list some more distortions...great fiction.
Umm, isn't paraphrasing also taken out of context? Why not - post this link to the interview
[ In Reply To ..]and let others make up their own minds? Here is the interview he had with Soledad O'Brien where he presents himself as champion of the middle class and fixer of the safety net for the poor. IMO, if you believe that spiel, I've got some nice swampland you mght be interested in ......
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/72297.html
For the sake of comparison, let's take a look at a passage from Romney's book, "No Apology: The Case For American Greatness," to see how he talks about those same poor folks whose safety net he is going to protect. In it, he argues that children of “nonworking parents” will be conditioned to have “an indolent and unproductive life.” Personally, I find his remarks to be insufferably arrogant and grossly misinformed:
"In some quarters, however, the American work ethic is waning. Some people devote themselves to find ways not to work. Some seem to take a perverse kind of pride in being slipshod or lackadaisical. In many cases, where our work culture has deteriorated, shortsighted government policies share a good part of the blame.
Welfare without work erodes the spirit and the sense of self-worth of the recipient. And it conditions the children of nonworking parents to an indolent and unproductive life. Hardworking parents raise hardworking kids; we should recognize that the opposite is also true. The influence of the work habits of our parents and other adults around us as we grow up has lasting impact."
Now on the third hand (we all have 3 hands, right?), we have a direct Romney quote from Michael Kranish and Scott Helman’s book, "The Real Romney," saying motherhood is its own profession. “It’s one which is challenging, it’s demanding,” he said. “It requires being a psychologist, a psychoanalyst, an engineer, a teacher,” he added.
If nonworking mothers on welfare produce “indolent and unproductive” children, then why doesn’t the same hold true for other women?
Will the real Mitt Romney please stand up???
Speaking for yourself is difficult enough to - sm
[ In Reply To ..]swallow. Please don't try and speak for me again because you'll fail every time.
I've found that Obama bashers rarely combine their "truth" with any fact. So if you don't have a link to corroborate your "story," I have no confidence in you to tell the truth.
Get over yourself; no one speaking for you - Obama-bashers far outclass Obama-worshippers
[ In Reply To ..]Blah, blah blah. So big and important. I hear choking after your ridiculous posts. NEVER SEE AN OBAMA WORSHIPPER WITH ANY FACTS. Just glazed eyes, adoringly focused on Oblablah.
Please see message. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Romney's heart lies in his wallet. The people he's fighting for are the very rich because HE doesn't want to pay any more than the 14% he personally pays.
I just LOVE the way you phrased "Seems okay by you to sacrifice all those poor people to slaughter." That's NOT okay by me at all. It IS, however, the mantra of the Republicans.
And please, oh please, tell me what the Ryan plan is ready to do as far as poor people are concerned. He will be FORCED to deal with the poor people because the middle class (that Romney pretends to know all about) will continue to emerge into the poor population. Since I'm supposedly all the names you called me, please tell me what the Ryan plan is all about. A source or two would be nice to accompany your post, but alas, I apologize because I know Republicans just throw it all up against the wall to see what sticks instead of attempting to actually research what's really going on and then provide the source.
Why don't you provide some fiction of your own regarding Mitt Ripney, but you'd better think fast; Ripney changes his mind depending on the way the wind blows.
And she's married to Mitt Romney. - nm
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You can definitely add that to the list! - Zville MT
[ In Reply To ..]No way would I want to be married to a politician!!
Mrs. Romney - goldie
[ In Reply To ..]Picking the target of Ann Romney would be (is) a huge mistake. Hilary made a big mistake and threw the GOP a softball. She's been around a long time, and I'm a little surprised she would slip like that. It must have a big deal for the Democrats, since it didn't take long at all for the POTUS, FLOTUS, Axelrod, DWS (I hate spelling her long name), and others to try and put the fire out. I'm glad they did. I hope the powers that be at the DNC use this as a "learning moment" and we can move on to other issues.
Candidate's families should be off limits. Just my opinion, though.
Mrs. Romney seems to me to be a very lovely woman who has battled so many obstacles and still came out shining. I'm guessing her 8 years as the First Lady will be divided into 2 causes, MS and breast cancer.
I like the way you put that... - Zville MT
[ In Reply To ..]"8 years as First Lady." Very nice :)
Unfortunate - Bettye Griffin Underwood
[ In Reply To ..]This whole thing was unfortunate. If Ms. Rosen had included the words, "for pay" in her remarks most of the furor could have been avoided. Mrs. Romney pointing out her struggles (with breast cancer and MS) had *nothing* to do with economics that Ms. Rosen was addressing (we all know she had no worries about being able to afford treatment and medication). I'm ashamed of the President, VP, and other prominent Democrats for running for cover (we all know the Veep has made verbal blunders in the past). I blogged about this today at http://chew-the-fat-with-bettye.blogspot.com/2012/04/april-14-2012-partial-disclosure-im.html
So we know for a fact that Mrs. Romney - Trigger Happy
[ In Reply To ..]knows nothing about economics because she stayed at home with her children instead of getting a job outside of the home, huh? I think it was rude of Ms. Rosen to assume that Mrs. Romney had no knowledge of economics. I think it was a dig on her intelligence that was uncalled for. Just because a woman chooses to be a housewife, doesn't mean she doesn't understand how things work in the world. Take us on this board..are we politicians? Are we economists? No..we are lowly MTs and yet we do our own research and discuss politics on this board. According to Ms. Rosen's comment, we shouldn't know anything about politics because we are just MTs, right?
You mentioned in your post that we do our - sm
[ In Reply To ..]own research when we "discuss" politics on this board.
I've noticed there are two distinct groups on this board: The ones who actually DO research and are happy to share corroborating links with readers, and the other group just makes things up without the benefit of any research whatsoever, and these people flat out REFUSE to do any research and aren't shy about saying so in some of their posts.
It would be a real pleasure if all posters actually did research a point.
Research is done by many on this board. - Trigger Happy
[ In Reply To ..]The biggest issue is that many refuse to even read or consider any article or post that differs from their viewpoint. Both sides can do research on the same subject and find articles with differing opinions. Take global warming for example. There are many articles from scientists who say global warming is fact. However, you can also find many articles from scientists who say global warming is absolute crap. Same subject, different opinions found by research. It all depends on what we personally believe. However, on this board many go into attack mode the moment someone disagrees with them or an article they post.
Re: "attack mode" - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I think, in most of the cases, they go into "defensive" mode because if a Republican disagrees with a Democrat, they don't write and explain WHY they disagree; they just start attacking the poster, thus placing that poster in "defensive" mode.
I've noticed a few Democrats who do the same thing, but it is a predominantly a Republican trait "on this board many go into attack mode the moment someone disagrees with them or an article they post."
I would say it is 50/50 - Trigger Happy
[ In Reply To ..]I've seen attacks from both sides on this board fairly frequently. I'm not going to say it is one side over the other. I'd hazard a guess that you are a democrat as you are saying republicans attack more...lol
Good point as usual Trigger Happy - sm
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