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Walker blinks first on union negotiation


Posted: Mar 9, 2011

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/08/wisconsin-governor-proposes-union-compromise-e-mails/?test=latestnews

 

Man, does it kill me to post this but I would love some feedback on this story.  I heard the news in my car today and I could not believe it.  The newscaster was trying to spin this as a good thing, but I know once Walker starts giving in the democrats are not going to stop until Walker gives them everything.  It seems to me Walker had the upper hand and he gave it away.  The votes are there to pass the bill as is, he just needs 1 democrat to come back and vote.  Did he really pay attention to the stupid polls and cave or what?  Am I missing something?

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The way I read it, it was an email "kinda throw - it out there" thing...

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and even if it was not "official" the Dems and unions seem to have rejected it anyway. That should tell him they want the whole pie and his humiliation and complete concession. He should stand firm now. I cannot believe that adults are hiding like cowards in another state not doing the job they were elected to do. They just picked up their toys and ran. Wahhhhh. They should all be ashamed, circumventing what is the basis of our democratic society, vote and majority rules.

Just pitiful. Shame on'em. And frankly, would an 8% pay cut be so horrible when many in WI don't even HAVE jobs? When their state is facing big time budget shortfalls? Knowing that their salaries et all come out of their follow wisconsinites' pockets, many of whom are struggling and do not have a paycheck period?

Shame? - mbmt

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Point is, the majority of people here in Wisconsin do not agree with Governor Walker. Also, not everyone agrees that the 14 Democratic senators who left the state are cowards. Many of us see them as heroes and think they are doing what they were elected to do and that is to serve and protect the people of Wisconsin.

The public employees did agree to contribute more toward their pensions and pay more toward health insurance. They did not want the "right" of collective bargaining to be taken away. Governor Walker would not bend. By the way, public employees are also taxpayers.

That being said, please look at the bill. People don't like it because it targets cutting programs for the poor and hurts the middle class, school districts, etc. Walker may be willing to bend a little, but maybe it's not enough.

I'm with you! I'm not from Wisconsin but wish we had a group like the '14' - sm

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I see the '14' as heroes. They are actually standing up for the people. They could have just gone into a hopeless voting situation which hurt their constituents. It would have been easier for them and they could be home with their families. They choose the higher road. I applaud them.

That said, of course there are plenty of changes that unions will have to make. It just is against everything America stands for to destroy unions i a sneaky, underhanded way. There are good unions and bad ones, but an all-out mission to destroy them is unacceptable.
Unions are not being destroyed. They will always exist. - IceT
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There will always be a place for unions.

But maybe they just shouldn't operate as a type of money laundering operation for a political party with taxpayer's money.
BS. - nm
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unadulturated
Wow. Intelligent, well-thought out rebuttal. - LOL...not so much.
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nm
It reflects the amount of thought behind the post - to which it replys.
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nm
yeahhhhh riggghhhhttttt. - nm
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nm
Every part of our nation, including unions, need to make some changes - but they are looking better to me all the time
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Sure there are some bad people in some bad unions, but right now they have never looked better to me. I'd like to see a few changes made, but the day they manage to destroy all unions, which I have no doubt is the goal, is the day our country takes an enormous step backwards. There is a place for those who protect the common folk from the greedy, as we all know too well.
What about the OTHER workers in Wisconsin? - Times are TOUGH.
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please tell me, how did you go from the ONE union in ONE financially strapped state to you have no doubt the goal is to bust all unions in the country. How in the WORLD do you logically make that leap?

I did not see anyone stepping up to help the other workers in Wisconsin (other union workers not public, and nonunion workers....in other words, the "common folk" from the public union members "greedy). Because to me, the public union workers look pretty darned greedy to me, not willing to even accept keeping collective bargaining for raises as long as they did not exceed inflation percentage...when their state is in financial trouble and most other workers in the state, even after the 8% cut for the public union workers, don't come near the salary and bennies the public workers have...yet they want THOSE workers to help foot the bill for THEIR raises. Yup...that looks like the "common folk" need protecting from the "Greedy" union.

that may be - iceT

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I haven't read their bill (we have our $$ problems here in Michigan thanks to the previous governor), but I haven't heard what concrete plan the Dems have for the money issue. What would they cut to make the numbers balance?

I don't mean to sound like a smarty-pants, so don't take it the wrong way. I'm honestly curious about exactly what the Dems have in mind to balance the budget. It seems to me (from the outside looking in), that something has got to give sooner or later. Do they have a proposal on the table? Can you give me the site where someone who doesn't have a degree in law (like me) could read and understand it? Thanks.
honestly no clue - WI MT
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The Dems are outnumbered. Wisconsin voted in a Republican Governor and Republican majority in the Assembly and Senate. Scott Walker campaigned on not raising taxes so that is off the table if the Democrats even suggest that, besides they would be outvoted. The Democrats believe that the budget can be balanced by simply having the unions contribute more to their pensions and health insurance, but they turn a blind eye to the fact that the unions can just collective bargain more money out of the school districts and taxpayers to offset the money paid for benefits. In May the state will be out of Medicare money and we owe money to Minnesota for reciprocity taxes, not to mention we missed the window to refinance the outstanding debt, costing the state 165 million. That is why all those state workers got notices that go into effect April 1. If the Democrats have a suggestion I have not heard it. If they have some brilliant ideas they should have stayed and debated rather than running away because they knew they were outnumbered. Just my opinion.
Collective Bargaining - mbmt
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From what I understand, collective bargaining does not affect the deficit either way. If that is so, why take away collective bargaining rights other than for the purpose of union busting?

How do you debate with a dictator like Governor Walker? He has refused to listen and negotiate for the most part. Please read your local news. I just read that some Democrats think he is going to try to take away collective bargaining for public employees without the Democratic senators there.

As for the Republicans being voted in, that is true. If people had known what was coming in this state, Walker would not have been elected. This guy is really ticking off people like no governor in recent history in this state. It's his way or no way!
Walker - IceT
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I'm not a "platinum member," so I can't get the demographic data.  If anyone has this, please fill in some blanks.  Anyway, I don't believe that he's doing all that bad with the people of Wisconsin.  He's got a much higher approval rating than my new governor, who was 32% last week.


 


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/wisconsin/wisconsin_governor_walker_43_approval_rating


 



Wisconsin Governor Walker: 43% Approval Rating




 


Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker won his job last November with 52% of the vote, but his popularity has slipped since then.

A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Wisconsin Voters finds that just 34% Strongly Approve of the job he is doing, while 48% Strongly Disapprove. Overall, including those who somewhat approve or disapprove, the new Republican governor earns positive reviews from 43% and negative reviews from 57% of voters statewide.


In addition to the usual partisan and demographic breakdowns, it’s interesting to note that Walker, now engaged in a budget battle with unionized state workers, receives a total approval rating of 46% from households with private sector union members. However, among households with a public sector union member, only 19% offer their approval. Among all other households in the state, opinion is nearly evenly divided—49% favorable and 51% unfavorable.


It’s also interesting to note that among households with children in the public school system, only 32% approve of the governor’s performance. Sixty-seven percent (67%) disapprove, including 54% who Strongly Disapprove.


This may be partly due to the fact that 77% of Wisconsin voters have a favorable opinion of the state’s public school teachers. However, only 50% have a favorable opinion of the teachers’ union.



The survey of 800 Likely Voters in Wisconsin was conducted on March 2, 2011 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 4 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.


Seventy-three percent (73%) of Wisconsin Republicans approve of the job Walker is doing. Eighty-nine percent (89%) of the state's Democrats and 56% of voters not affiliated with either of the major parties disapprove.


Among those who voted for Walker last November, 77% approve of his performance, with 67% who Strongly Approve. As for those who voted for his Democratic opponent, Tom Barrett, 93% disapprove of how Walker is governing, including 88% who Strongly Disapprove.


Polling released earlier shows that the governor is struggling in the court of public opinion in his dispute with the state’s public employee unions.  Other polling shows that voters in the state prefer spending cuts over tax hikes when it comes to reducing the state’s budget deficit.


President Obama is viewed favorably by 55% of voters statewide. Typically, a president’s reelection vote total is similar to his job approval rating. Therefore, if the election were held today in Wisconsin, Obama would be heavily favored to win the state’s Electoral College votes.


Additional information from this survey and a full demographic breakdown are available to Platinum Members only.


Please sign up for the Rasmussen Reports daily e-mail update (it's free). Let us keep you up to date with the latest public opinion news.


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So why then did WI come pouring out into the street - and storm the capitol after
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his latest desperate illegal move? Some were so incensed they forgot their coats! Walker knew with the pressure of the recall efforts, republican senators were getting ready to defect. After LYING all day long about compromise and suggesting the dems were coming back to the table, he revealed his true colors (proving once and for all that this is not and never has been about the budget) in a dark back room and held a hasty illegal vote stripping unions of their CB rights. But then again, playing fair has never been his strong suit.

Once again, pandemonium has ensued. The only thing he really accomplished is to insure his own recall on day 366 and transformed republican senators who have already served a year into dead men walking, whose pink slips will arrive much sooner.

I am sure there are those who will take great pride in this short-term victory and will think nothing of expressing button-busting pride in this latest and most decidedly UNdemocratic one-party (AKA fascist) decree, which will not hold water under legal scrutiny. Walker should enjoy this moment while he can, for he is not long for the world of presidential hopeful. Wisconsinites will not take kindly to his using their state government as a launching pad. What an gastly embarrassment he is!
Ah, yes. You seem to think death threats and - Backwards Typist
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blocking lawmakers from going into the senate to vote is okay, don't you.

Pandemonium has ensued, that's for sure. Jesse Jackson being there doesn't help, either. He's threatening more protests. He's equating this protest with the protests in the '60s. Oh,m here we go. "The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer." I thought that was big corporate thieves, not public workers. He's saying they will revolt! Yeah, really is trying to help, isn't he?

I guess you think it was okay for the union protesters to show up at a town hall meeting at a library was okay so they had to shut the meeting down, don't you?

I guess you also think professional protesters are okay as long as they disrupt the process, don't you?

Again, I say, the governor is NOT taking away collective bargaining rights. They just can't go above the CPI without the taxpayers voting for it. What's so wrong with that?
Gov Walker didn't allow reasonable (or any) debate but bullied through what he wanted - Ready To Stand Up For The People!
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It isn't a Republican vs. Democrat thing. Many Republicans are just as disgusted as anyone else. In facts, many Republicans are out there protesting on behalf of the workers. The guy behaves like a bully. He can't be recalled, according to law, until January. That's unfortunate, but that's the law. He can do a lot more damage to the Republican Party before he's out of there. That's unfortunate too.
the democrats ran away- who was he supposed to have debate with? - WI MT
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The democrats didn't want debate, they wanted Walker to cave. The democrats are just mad because their temper tantrum backfired. They thought they could hold the state hostage until THEY decided to come back. Did you know that public unions in Wisconsin represent only 175,000 people as compared to over 5 million taxpayers in the state? Is it in Wisconsin best interest to let such a small percentage dictate the legislature of the state?
He wouldn't allow more discussion and was forcing through a union-busting vote - He was a bully and they responded appropriately
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People are tired of bullies. That's why people swarmed the place to make their voices heard, and the place was shut down, phones shut off, and other tactics that one would usually see in places with tyrants ruling them. Americans don't have to take this kind of treatment. The '14' acted to make that clear. There can be a vote when it is done appropriately, according to the rules and after legitimate discussion and debate which wasn't allowed before this vote was being called.
Walker did not want a debate - mbmt
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Do you live in Wisconsin? Walker did not want any sort of debate. He made it clear early on that he would not negotiate. It is not only the public employees who think he is a jerk. The majority in Wisconsin do not agree with him. I'll say it again, I am thankful that the 14 Democratic senators had the best interest of the people in mind and left the state to avoid voting to take collective bargaining away from public employees. I also applaud Republican Senator Schultz for voting according to his conscience and what the people wanted in this state.
Senator Schultz is another one of my heroes for not going along with the bullying tactics - nm
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Sen Schultz may be the only Republican left with a job when the dust settles there - Just sayin
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I did hear that there were at least 2 more Republican senators who were not 100% on board with what was happening, which is why they rushed through the vote before they changed their mind.
They Did It - mbmt
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Wisconsin lawmakers have moved ahead on a plan that would strip most collective bargaining rights from public workers

Republicans met in a committee minutes ago, and passed the measure with certain items removed. The final vote was 18 to 1. None of the 14 democrats who left the state to stall a vote were present.

Republicans were able to pass the bill without Democrats present because it removed parts involving fiscal measures.

The assembly is set to vote tomorrow on the measure tomorrow.

Stay tuned to NewsChannel 7 and wsaw.com for the latest details.
I don't even like teachers, but the methods used by Gov. Walker were so bad - that I like him less than I like them
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I believe they want to start at the top rather than at the bottom - That is the difference
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The Democrats want to start eliminating costs without starting by taking food away from babies. The idea is to take from those who are getting huge tax breaks for supposedly creating jobs, which they haven't done even though they got the tax breaks. Unfortunately, some Democratic politicians also want to mess with social security, which would be in fine shape if past administrations had not borrowed from it and put it in bad condition for the future. They also agree with Republicans that they should mess with Medicare and even Medicaid, another bad mistake. Yeah, sure, let's take money away from people in nursing homes and mental institutions. Put those people out in the street. That seems to be the first answer politicians on both sides of the aisle seem to come up with. I'm disgusted with both parties.

Turns out the right for collective bargaining - was NOT competely stripped

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there is always more to the story. They left in being able to bargain for higher wages, but it just could not exceed inflation level. OH the NERVE to ask something SO HORRIBLE!! Come ON!! Police and fire are exempt.

As to your statement about "the majority of Wisconsin agrees with them"....blanket statement that you cannot substantiate...I don't see anything in the press to suggest that.

Yes, public employers are taxpayers. They all HAVE JOBS. Many in Wisconsin DO NOT, and wouldn't you say that the public workers fare better wage and bennie wise that nonunion workers? I would say YES.

Again...at SOME point you have to make concessions on programs when you are facing red ink. States can't just print up more money like the federal government thinks it can. If you go deep in the red, you're toast. He is trying to do something about it before it becomes a horrible situation and you want to castigate him for it. What do you want? Higher taxes? Really? Because if he doesn't raise taxes he HAS to cut costs or your state goes into the toilet. You really don't see that??

you were right - WI MT

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He was just trying to see if the democrats were willing to negotiate anything and apparently they were not.

I was never so happy when I read this morning that the Senate stripped the budget stuff out of the bill and passed the collective bargaining. On to the Assembly today. Looks like the little stunt of running away and hiding out backfired. Good for Walker for not letting the democrats hold the state hostage any longer. I know the democrats are going to scream and try to find something illegal in all this, but honestly, when the democrats threaten to stay away until July, what is the Governor supposed to do? They clearly stated they ran away to give this bill media attention, which they got more than they had hoped for.

Apparently it is okay if the democrats find loopholes (like the quorum) to justify running away, but not okay for the republicans to find different loopholes (strip out the budget stuff where they don't need a quorum).

Of course...they are the party of "Do as I say... - but not as I DO." nm

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It proved they were blatantly lying about it being about the budget, not union busting - Ready to fight back

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