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Posted: Oct 10, 2013
I hope the blowback to the GOP is like a death knell to the party. You don't try to score political points on the backs of those who are hurt in a partial shutdown - ordinary hardworking people from all party affiliations.
I guess they thought this was THE ONLY way to get the president to negotiate, but I don't think that's true. It's because they tried to tie OBAMACARE to the vote - he was willing to negotiate anything else.
Here is the unavoidable truth: NO ONE can know if Obamacare is a disaster waiting to happen. WHAT THEY FEAR is that is wil NOT be - and if it is a moderate to good success, or even a mild success, they will have lost political footing forever because it will have been the Democrats who legislated for healthcare FOR ALL.
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If the ACA doesn't work, it doesn't work. - At least we *tried*
[ In Reply To ..]instead of decades upon decades of saying we need to make changes and never changing anything.
I don't know if the first attempt will be successful, but at least an attempt was FINALLY made.
I'm not going to poo-poo Green Eggs and Ham until I try it (yes, I still find the irony of that phony-buster story entertaining).
They were trying to get reform from healthcare for years - Truthhurts
[ In Reply To ..]but I don't think this is what people had in mind. Waste and fraud by doctors and the government handling of Medicare and Medicaid were the main reasons for reform...not the extreme that was done. Obamacare is not reform.
It's a terribly expensive and flawed experiment, especially since they want to force more people on Medicaid and took all that money from Medicare to get Obamacare started.
Seniors on Medicare can't go on Obamacare, yet doctors are .not going to take a lot of Medicare patients now so what are those seniors to do?
Sound like talking points to me... - But you are entitled to them of course
[ In Reply To ..]It really does sound like all you are doing it taking anecdotal evidence of a supreme failure (on a program not implemented yet) and posting as if it is hard fact. It isn't.
Try in a year after we see some results.
I guess you're too young to be know the history and times that - Truthhurts
[ In Reply To ..]they tried to reform health care.
Not talking points. Read about it in Wikipedia. It's been an ongoing thing since the early 1900s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_health_care_reform_in_the_United_States
Wow, since the 1900s, it's about time someone - did something about it!
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There have been changes over the years but the last fight - Truthhurts
[ In Reply To ..]for reform was for waste, fraud, frivolous lawsuits for mega millions, and a cap on settlements. Most people wanted that, not what we have now.
BTW, after DH's doctor's appointment last week, he was told he would have to find another doctor. He is retiring as of 1/1/14. Nice.
How old was his doctor? - Mine retired too
[ In Reply To ..]But after 40 or 50 years of medicine, sometimes doctors do that, I hear.
Hit the enter key too quick. Anyway, most importantly was the - Truthhurts
[ In Reply To ..]the '80s. How do you think COBRA was born?
BTW, that was a really quick dislike whoever gave it to me. Thanks!
You're welcome! - nm
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COBRA is not health care (what we are discussing) - just saying
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Can we have a real conversation? Because if so - please stay on topic
[ In Reply To ..]I was speaking about YOUR comments when I said it sounds like talking points, like you are just repeating the noise from the anti-Obama/anti-obamacare grouP.
I WAS NOT saying that healthcare reform is new. But historically, it ALSO true that it is the Democrats who have pushed this agenda NOT the republicans.
I did stay on topic. I was commenting on health care reform - Truthhurts
[ In Reply To ..].and your talking points. :)
Gotta leave for the night now so won't be able to answer any more.
Have a nice evening.. :)
No, 'truthhurts' you were not on topic, you were - changing the subject
[ In Reply To ..]unfortunately we are typing our comments to one another but if we were in real-time I could easily point out why a real conversation is not likely possible. when you first wrote WHAT YOU WROTE read likely talking points for the antiobamacare group - when I mentioned THAT you answered as if I had suggested that the health care issue was new... pointing me to wikipedia. THAT IS changing the subject because you chose not to address my statement that you were just posting talking points as if they were fact.
U have a nice evening 2.
About time - Old Pro
[ In Reply To ..]I am an independent, and I think we SHOULD give Obamacare a try. If it fails, it fails. If it helps a lot of people--good for it. I think it reprehensible that the "haves" are willing to shut down the government and hurt not only the poor but also the middle class (what is left of it) in order to play hardball. No wonder the congress has only a 5% approval rating. (The people in Europe are laughing at us.) I hope when the time comes for elections, we all remember this.
5 percent approval rating? - nakedandafraid
[ In Reply To ..]A poll released Wednesday found Americans' approval of Congress dropping near all-time lows as the government shutdown continues with no solution yet in sight.
The Associated Press-GfK survey found that just 5 percent of the public approves of the job being done by senators and representatives, (that means BOTH sides) while 83 percent disapprove. 11 percent said they neither approved nor disapproved.
The numbers appear to be the worst for Congress in the AP-GfK poll since the August 2011 budget showdown, during which the government teetered on the brink of a shutdown. During that impasse, 87 percent of respondents said they disapproved of Congress.
The poll also found low numbers for
President Barack Obama,
with 53 percent saying they disapprove with how he is handling his job.
Oh yes one can know Obamacare is a disaster waiting to happen. - nakedandafraid
[ In Reply To ..]Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Matthew 12:35
A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.
Huh? - How do we know from
[ In Reply To ..]those verses that OC is a disaster? Sounds more like verses that should be applied to Congress & the TP
bad and evil - Effie
[ In Reply To ..]Are you telling me that the bible says that because my father was a bad and evil man (and he was) that I am also bad and evil????
There is already plenty - to like about the ACA
[ In Reply To ..]and people will like it more and more once they understand some of the provisions. And by the way, there is nothing socialist about requiring people who can pay to have health insurance. Every time someone without insurance uses a hospital or doctor and it gets written off, guess who pays?... You, me and everyone else who works and pays taxes. ACA is not perfect now, but it least it gives many people who simply couldn't get any insurance a chance to obtain it. I think people who oppose this only have one goal, to see the Obama government fail, but ACA will likely not be the failure they desperately desire.
What don't you understand about people without insurance now? - Truthhurts
[ In Reply To ..]When you go to a hospital or doctor without insurance, you pay up front or by monthly payments. Taxpayers don't pay. There is community care organizations that help pay some bills or cover the people who don't qualify for Medicaid or Medicare.
Those organizations don't use taxpayer money. They run on donations. No money out of your pocket. Ever hear of the United Way? Children's Network? Those are only two organizations that help.
How about getting out of that "taxpayers always pay" mode? Not true at all.
Factually and logically untrue - just saying
[ In Reply To ..]Please be fair - most of treatment by UNinsured or UNDERinsured is through ER'S which have to accept you (doctors do not) and THAT cost is usually not paid by the patient (who can't pay) and is WRITTEN OFF, in other words it gets passed onto the taxpayer in terms of loss.
What about the dignity - of being able to pay
[ In Reply To ..]Rather than relying on charity? What if you can't make any payments? And let's be honest, how can someone making $20,000-30,000 pay off a bill the size of their salary (or probably more, considering what the average hospital stay costs) without going bankrupt? Monthly payments, really?
I appreciate the opportunity to buy affordable health care so if you do have an emergency you know you can afford to pay for your health care.
BTW, you know why our health care costs can be up to 26 times more expensive than other countries? Because people who can't afford to pay have to get care and then we all have to pay for it. Also, costs have been allowed to rise exponentially due to deregulation and the profit motive for both hospitals and insurance companies running rampant.
The idea that any - charity
[ In Reply To ..]is going to pick up anything but the tiniest fraction of a 20, 30, 40 thousand dollar medical bill is as ridiculous as saying victims of a major disaster should just get canned goods and blankets from the Salvation Army. Totally absurd.
Does "I will not negotiate" ring a bell? Obama.said it, not the GOP. - Truthhurts
[ In Reply To ..]If the "blowback" is a death knell to the GOP party, then you might as well kiss this country's freedom goodbye and say hello to the communism way of life.
Do you really want a one party system? If so, then why don't you go visit a country that has that life and come back and tell us how nice it is...that is, if you're not arrested first.
Whoa. Let's get one thing straight right - here and now.
[ In Reply To ..]If the fractured GOP implodes they will have NOBODY to blame but themselves. They have tea partied themselves into oblivion. They and they alone are the only ones who can bring themselves back from THAT brink.
Libs have no common sense - alas
[ In Reply To ..]They are baffling. They know not what they are doing. They sound like they know what they are talking about and run to their little liberal websites and get all their propagande and come back here and gobble gobble gobble. The have blinders on, most libs are brainwashed and have no idea where this country is heading. They are only brainwashed to say it's the Tea Party's fault, it's the Republicans fault, it's Bush's fault, you're just a racist, bla bla bla. The truth is always the truth, it doesn't have to be spinned.
I agree with every single thing you wrote, except for: (sm) - Libby
[ In Reply To ..]one thing (as well as the condescending tone to your post):
It will be 100% truthful if you (1) substitute everything liberal with TP/Republican; don't post your posts while staring in the mirror; etc.
Romania - alas
[ In Reply To ..]Just a small example, I lived in an apartment complex run by a family that came from Romania. They told me two years ago that things here in the USA were looking like the Socialism they lived under in their country and the same thing is now going on here. I believed them.
My mother and father came to this country from Europe right after the war in 1949 and they went through hell. They told me that propaganda was something the government does when they want to lie to us and to never trust the government cause they like to or have to lie (propaganda). She told me about a wall that separated the east and west sides of Berlin and people who tried to cross to freedom were shot. She told me that when the government has too much power they become corrupt.
And that was why she came to the United States because America was the land of the free and the home of the brave. Now its the land of the corrupt government and the home of the illegal immigrants.
Does "I reject the word 'compromise'" ring a bell? - Libby
[ In Reply To ..]John Boehner said that, not Barack Obama.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_12/027050.php
We're currently living in a country without a government, a deadbeat country that won't pay its bills (which makes me feel ashamed of this country), and our dictators are in the GOP/TP parties.
Critical thinking and looking ahead - sm
[ In Reply To ..]is what is crucial in anything.
1. Nothing is going to be a "death knell" or sure fire win to any party.
2. No, you don't try and score political points on the back of those who are hurt in a partial shutdown, but that's just want the democrats did. Ordinary hardworking citizens and the democrats including your darling BO did jut that. People not allowed to go into their homes, and our brave fighting soldiers shut out from being able to buy food for their family's. They all said Obama could have ended it, but he didn't. They said "he thought he was playing a game with our lives". I do think when election time comes the American people are going to remember just how much of a disturbance and how downright mean and nasty the democrats got with this. Calling people all sorts of names, but in reality they are ones who were the *** takers and ***** and **** and everything they called republicans was just a reflection of themselves.
3. The American people did not vote on Obamacare. The politicians rammed it down our throats with threats to other politicians if they didn't vote for it. Lies about it, promising everyone would be equal, we'd get the same level of care he gets, etc etc. Threats does not equal people wanting it. Over half the country do not want it. Heck, even congress doesn't want it, unions don't want it, lawyers don't want it, the rich don't want it, Hollywood doesn't want it, doctors don't want it, the middle income who will be hit the hardes with high fees don't want it. Everyone is scrambling like mad to be exempt from it. The only ones who want it are the illegals and the ones who it will be free for and the ones who are too blinded by the Pepsodent smile and twinkle in his eye don't care. Many are not paying attention.
4. To say "oh well we'll just have to go through it to see if it works" is like saying "on well, lets wait while that lady over there is getting raped to see if she's really getting raped or "those thugs entering breaking into that house, lets just wait until its all over to know if there is a bad outcome. No, you don't wait for something bad to happen or a crime to be committed until after its over. By then it's too late. The key is to learn by other countries mistakes. Look at the other countries who have socialized health care and see how well it works out for them. Can tell you this, it's not.
Lastly, there is a reason why there are more than one party. No party should have such total power that they have no opposition to do whatever they want. It's called checks and balance and it was put in place for a reason. Just like I don't want all republican the country does not want all democrats. This is basic education stuff we learned in school. Maybe you are so young that they are not teaching that in your school, but growing up we learned how the government is suppose to function. No matter how hard the communists/progressives are trying to get it changed that is not how the country functions. If that is the kind of government you want go to North Korea and live with them for awhile or another communist country and see how well they like it. Guarantee you they don't. But then again they don't have a choice and they don't have the freedom to say anything about it. Let them take your freedoms away and see how fast you like that system.
Truth be told nobody knows what the next election will hold. As a conservative I have to believe that the good of the people will outweigh the bad and as a person who is spiritual I have to believe God will be watching over us and will not allow the bad to take over, because if democrats win everything the only one who will be able to help us is God.
In God's world, "good" GOP takes over, "bad" dems/commies/progressives go d - in defeat.
[ In Reply To ..]Lo and behold! You sure have everything figured out all right. Must be all that critical thinking and looking ahead, O Enlightened One.
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