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Pepper spray, competitive shopping rage, parking lot shootings


Posted: Nov 25, 2011

Video display destroyed with clerks diving to the floor and scrambling to save the merchandise.  Trampling in realtime, despite the death this caused 3 years ago.  20 consumers injured by a women who came equipped for armed combat.  I am left wondering how much of a role media hype played in this sad desperation and find myself at a loss when trying to understand it.   On the news station I am watching this morning, "hot items" and "deep discount deals" reporting (at a rate of 5 or 6 times each hour) outpaces reporting on these incidents by about an 8:1 margin, as near as I can tell.  I am already on overload with the simultneous appearance of Halloween and Christmas displays in the stores, the inordinate emphasis placed on buy, buy, buy, and the Christmas "tradition" of Black Friday (huh?), and we're still one week out from December.   

As shoppers converged on retailers around the country looking for Black Friday deals, authorities reported scattered problems.

In Porter Ranch, a woman pepper sprayed customers at a Wal-Mart in what authorities say was a deliberate attempt to get more "door buster" merchandise. In San Leandro, a Wal-Mart shopper walking to his car was shot and wounded in a suspected robbery early Friday.

Another shooting was reported at a parking lot next to a Wal-Mart in South Carolina, also a suspected robbery attempt. Officials told WMBF-TV they believe the robbery was tied to Black Friday.

At Porter Ranch, 20 customers, including children, were hurt in the 10:10 p.m. incident, officials said. Shoppers complained of minor skin and eye irritation and sore throats.

"This was customer-versus-customer 'shopping rage,'" said Los Angeles Police Lt. Abel Parga.

The woman used the spray in more than one area of the Wal-Mart "to gain preferred access to a variety of locations in the store," said Los Angeles Fire Capt. James Carson.

"She was competitive shopping," he said.

Police are searching for the woman but said they've had trouble getting a clear description of her.

Black Friday sales began at the Wal-Mart at 10 p.m. and featured sales on toys, including $5 Bratz dolls, $10 Wii video games and $29 tricycles. 

Witness Matthew Lopez described a chaotic scene in the San Fernando Valley store among shoppers looking for video games soon after the sale began.

"I heard screaming and I heard yelling," said Lopez, 18. "Moments later, my throat stung. I was coughing really bad and watering up."

Lopez said customers were already in the store when a whistle signaled the start of the Black Friday sale at 10 p.m., sending shoppers hurtling in search of deeply discounted items.

Lopez said that by the time he arrived at the video games, the display had been torn down. Employees attempted to hold back the scrum of shoppers and pick up merchandise even as customers trampled the video games and DVDs strewn on the floor.

"It was absolutely crazy," he said.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/11/wal-mart-black-friday-marred-by-shootings-pepper-spray-attack-.html

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You couldn't PAY me to go within a mile of Walmart - from now til late January. (sm)

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The whole Christmas thing in the US has become totally insane. Even on regular days, under the best of circumstances, a mall or a big-box store pre-Christmas is the worst place in the world to be. But to go in the middle of the night for this new, corporate-greed-generated "holiday" - Black Friday - is to put yourself right in the middle of a looney-stampede. "Competetive shopping"? "Shopping warfare"? Just to buy your kid a Bratz doll that you could get cheaper online or at another time? Or better yet, do without? Sheesh.

I saw a guy on TV who'd been camped out at Best Buy for the better part of this week, waiting to buy some giant-screen TV that I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts he CAN'T AFFORD. If I had spent all day preparing a Thanksgiving feast, and I had a husband sitting in a folding chair at Best Buy instead of at the dinner table, he might just come home to find the locks changed.

And there's certainly something not only morally, but mentally wrong with a woman who will pepper-spray people at Walmart just to get her hands on a deal. She belongs in jail. Or more likely, a rubber room.

I don't get the "get out there and spend yourselves into financial ruin" mentality of all this. During the holidays, I see families that you just know can't afford it (no profiling here, but use your imagination), often with 5 or 6 kids in tow, wife pregnant, leaving the store with more gifts piled into 3 shopping carts than I've ever bought or received in a lifetime. They can't afford all this, yet they've been thoroughly brainwashed to get in the car and drive to the nearest mall or Walmart and max out their credit cards.("Must... buy. Must... get... Christmas... gifts!") Big Business has turned us into consumer zombies.

For several years now, my family has stopped the madness. Instead, we skip the craziness and just enjoy the season, friends, and family. I send a few long-overdue letters to a few, far-away friends or relatives, but that's it.

I wish we could get off the consumer treadmill during the holidays, and instead go back to giving just a few gifts to a few really special people, instead of worrying about what to get the hairdresser, the mailman, that 3rd-cousin once removed that you've never even met. And instead of Feeding The Corporate Machine by dutifully standing in an endless line at Walmart or Target (and catching the flu), it would be nice if we could go back to supporting our local mom n' pop gift, jewelry or clothing stores instead of the big guys. Better yet, I'd like to see a return to hand-made or home-baked gifts.

Meerkat =^^=

Agreed, it's a mess, but place the blame where it - belongs. Big business doesn't have

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anything to do with how these people behave. The problem lies with the few people who act this way. These people are the minority, not the majority, and responsibility for how they act lies squarely on their shoulders.

A lot of the TV ads leading up to BF seem to - condone that behavior.

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The people that act that way aren't too bright to begin with, and they're impressionable. They think TV is real.
Well, by all means, then, if TV ads condone it, then it - must be okay.
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The blame still lies with the people who display bad behavior, not the stores that offer the sales. People need to grow up and take responsibility for their actions.
I don't think this should be dismissed that easily. - Too widespread
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Pepper spraying by a customer and law enforcement officers, who also used stun guns and body-slammed a man to the concrete floor, knocking him unconscious, multiple shootings, a stabbing in Sacramento, massive looting in a clothing store in Soho, gunfire heard inside Cross Creek MALL in Fayetteville, counterfeit bills used to pay for purchases at a Kohls in Monrovia, CA. A man dropped dead in a Target store in Charleston WV while shoppers walked around him and OVER HIS BODY, in search of their next big bargain fix. IMO, the situation is much more complicated than the simplistic isolated incidents/personal responsibility defense. We are talking about widespread mob behaviors and police brutality emerging in a variety of settings. In the case of OWS, it was obviously organized and deliberate, not rogue cop vigilantes.

Regarding the off-duty police/WM security officer's brutalizing the grandfather who was trying to protect his grandson from stampeding crowds, WM has direct responsiblity on multiple levels. They hired the officer and penned the policies that place safety of merchandise over safety of their customers. The "suspect" was doing what security failed to do. WM has a long history of parking lot crime, including fatalities, and as recently as 2008, an employee was trampled to death in a Black Friday stampede. They have repeatedly failed to provide adequate security despite this horrendous track record. Speaking of taking responsibility, today one of Wal-Mart's spokespersons even had the nerve to say that "for the most part," WM Black Friday events were safe and secure. They claim they intend to "look into" the security situation, but they have said that many times in the past about securing the parking lots and have never followed through.


http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/26/9035999-report-shoppers-unfazed-as-man-dies-at-target
So you think that the people who did this are without blame? - Perhaps THAT is the problem.
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It's very easy to engage in this sort of behavior in a society where people blame someone or something (a business) else for one's behavior. How many fist fights break out at professional sporting events? Is that the fault of the sport, or the person fighting? Was it someone else's fault when people looted stores after Katrina? Why is it that people are against personal responsibility? Maybe THAT is what sets these things up to happen, not the businesses offering sales. As far as widespread, how many hundreds of thousands of people went shopping and did NOT behave badly? Don't you think that maybe these things are just well publicized? At any rate, if we don't hold individuals responsible for individual actions, we are no longer a civilized society. It is not always up to someone else to take care of us monetarily or to take responsibility for our actions. We are all autonomous human beings who make decisions about what we do. No television advertisement causes me to do anything. And, by the way, where were the ads with people pepper spraying each other or beating up old people?

As for the eviction of OWS, I am all for it. How are you going to blame Wal-Mart for that?
And I don't think it should be dismissed. - I think that people should be
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held responsible for what they have done. I just don't think that Wal-Mart should be held responsible for the actions of customers--employees, yes, customers, no. As far as the spokesperson saying that the WM Black Friday events were, for the most part, safe, he is correct, for the most part, they were. Why is that nerve? He speaks the truth. If you are afraid of Black Friday events, don't go. I stayed home at midnight because I have no desire to shop at midnight, much less stand in line or deal with pushy people to do so. Look at that--I was able to make my own decision, despite television ads.

Police use pepper spray, stun-gun on consumers - 8 stores, 24 injuries + arrests so far

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Wow. Brutal police tactics have turned away from OWS targets and toward holiday shoppers, some of whom do not appear to be the least bit nonviolent, but rather showed up armed and prone toward violence, driven by their lust for seizing the biggest and bestest bargain of the day. Greed and need rule this day. It wasn't that long ago that drunks simply got arrested and thrown in the tank until they sober up. I guess the stun gun prevents officers from wasting too much time trying to avoid bodily harm.

The police allegedly serve as our community role models, yet they continue to lower this bar as time goes on. Certain media commentators repeatedly disperse gross misinformation by dismissing the drastic and painful effects of these agents (ie, PS is a vegetable product, in the same GOP food family as pizza, and tasers have only caused "a few" deaths) and by blurring the lines on what is and is not torture. I guess we can expect to see more, not less, of this, both from law enforcement and civilian folks.

I cannot understand why an officer, or a consumer for that matter, would willfully feel justified in using these methods in a store full of thousands of people, many of whom were children. Also, it is beyond my comprehension that when the woman pepper sprayed her shopping enemies (in front of her own 2 children), why Wal-Mart did not clear the store, at least long enough to allow the atmosphere to return to a state of safety and for the injured to be identified and treated. No siree. They opted to maximize profits once again, and remained open during the entire incident, just like when they deliberately decided not to provide beefed up security in their parking lots, despite past crimes that have occurred there (some fatal) and the death of one of their workers, who was trampled to death on Black Friday 2008.

The second link is to a video that shows a BF business-as-usual scene where consumers swamp the $2-waffle-iron display.

http://www.freep.com/article/20111125/FEATURES13/111125011/Black-Friday-turns-violent-8-U-S-Walmart-stores-least-24-people-injured

Video shows what BF looks like in WM
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2011/11/black-friday-violence-wal-mart.html

I hope body slammed grandpa sues WM and AZ cop - Is resisting false arrest a crime?

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Put yourself in his place. You have just pulled your grandchild out from under a stampeding mob and are feeling a bit distraught when suddenly you are approached by security, determined to nab you for shoplifting. They do not bother with any explanations you may try to give them, and instead whip out the cuffs and start yanking your arms behind our back while your traumatized and terrified grandchild stands by watching, surrounded by swarming mobs of shoppers. In such a highly charged moment when your ability to exercise sound judgment is severely compromised, you fail to find the exactly correct words to defend yourself and your actions, and blurt out, "I'm not going to jail...." pull your arm back in an effort to defend yourself and reason with him, which the cop interprets as justification for body-slamming you and knocking you unconscious.

If they (cop and WM, who hired him and sets security policy) didn't know throwing someone down face-first onto a concrete floor could cause potentially serious injury, they SHOULD have. All this over a piece of bargain merchandise? IMO, the grandpa's story about protecting his grandson is much more plausible than the cop's CYO claim of resisting arrest.

It's interesting that OWS encampments are now routinely raided and dismantled but pitched tents at consumer campsites are A-OK. Ironically, that same tolerance toward consumers vanishes the moment it comes time to protect store merchandise. Where were the police when an 8-year-old boy was being trampled? Preoccupied by keeping their eyes peeled for shoplifters? Why did flesh and blood become a target for brutality for the sake of keeping corporate property safe and preserving WM profits? What happened to presumed innocence? Out the door over a half-price video game.

It seems to me that before cuffing a suspect, they should let them know why they are being detained and, at the very least, allow them to speak. Had that ocurred, the more appropriate response would have been to INSURE THE SAFETY OF A TRAMPLED 8-YEAR-OLD and to assess him for injuries. They could have informed him why they suspected him of "attempted" shoplifting. After all, Grandpa had not left the store with the merchandise and, chances are, he would have paid for his grandson's video before leaving.

Utterly appalling.

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