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Let's forget about the "politics" of NSA for a minute


Posted: Jun 11, 2013

First, about Clapper's comment, which (paraphrased) is this:  "The idea that we're trolling through everyone's stuff is absurd - there's too much of it.  We couldn't do it if we wanted to."

This is a falsehood wrapped in an oxymoron, disguising an outrage.

The oxymoron:  "We're gathering millions of bits of information, and that means there's too much information to look at."

The falsehood:  Anyone who has actually been involved in creating data mining software, as I have, will know that computers are now capable not only of sifting through millions of pieces of data for words, but can now go far beyond that and analyze the "stuff" for semantic content, meaning thoughts and ideas.  There's simply no such thing as "too much of it" when an agency has $billions to spend and can run the "stuff" through a hundred supercomputers, executing billions of instructions per second, as the NSA can - and undoubtedly DOES - do.  Mr. Clapper knows that what he is saying simply isn't true.

The outrage:  That Americans should be expected to believe - and be comforted  - that they're safe from governmental intrusion by the reassurance that "there's too much stuff" for an agency to look at anyway.  Is THIS where an American's safety from governmental intrusion should lie?  Really??!!  You're safe from surveillance merely because the government lacks the capability to spy on everyone (which, as I've said, is a falsehood)?  You're safe from the police breaking into your house because we don't have enough cops to do that "even if we wanted to".  If you don't find that chilling, I urge you to think about it more deeply.

Second, the debate about "traitor" versus "hero":  It seems to me that this situation is very different from the one that an ordinary "whistleblower" deals with, although our whistleblower protections themselves seem to have blown up in the past few years.  What options are there for a citizen who finds himself watching the government accumulate vast powers unto itself - powers of which citizens are uninformed, misinformed or deliberately misled - and a government that not only will use, but has used, those vast powers to see to it that the citizens never do know about its activities.   What are the reasonable options available for anyone to sound the alarm about government running amok, if his only choices are silence or "treason"?  Do we have any mechanism in place whereby such disclosures can be made to anyone except the very government and the very agencies that would be the subject of such disclosures?

 

 

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I always assumed the government was tracking - us, looking for key words.

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I'm not paranoid or even worried about it, I've just always assumed that was going on. I really don't find this to be a shocking revelation.

It's 1984, George Orwell...Big Brother is Watching You. - miller

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Pay attention. It's about much more than - tracking keywords.

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"Keywords" were the camel's nose in the tent, and that properly concerned many people.

Now, the camel is in the tent, and it's crapping on your head while you slumber.

keywords - Roseanne

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I wish Big Brother would post a list of these "keywords" somewhere . . .

Well I'm sure you can guess plenty of them. - nm

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So the people who want to kill us can know them? - nm

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so the people - Roseanne
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Maybe you could clarify that statement by listing "the people" who want to kill "us". Monsanto? Big Pharma? Big Oil? Who exactly do you mean? Who's us and who's them?
Please see message. - The person you replied to.
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You've made an excellent point. Thank you.

Maybe "them" is indeed our own government!!!

Maybe that was also true on 9/11...

There wouldn't be much of a point if everyone - knew what they were. nm.

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much point - Roseanne
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But you didn't answer my question . . . who's "us" and who's "them". Walking it back are you?
I was the poster you were replying to. This new - sm
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post was posted by someone else.

Just FYI.
Uhhhhh... we are not all the same person here. - not itching for a fight.
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I don't even know what these questions were.

politics of NSA - Roseanne

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Bravo. Do they even attempt to get a search warrant before breaking into your house anymore? You don't have to look far to see the tragic consequences of our militarized police force and their deplorable tactics. Chilling, yes it is.

You know, you brought up a very INTERESTING - sm

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point here. In Boston, the police were acting like storm troopers, pushing their way into people's house without search warrants.

This is happening to police departments apparently all over the country. It's happening here where I live.

You're right. This is very chilling!

you know - Roseanne

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It's happening here too, and I live in podunk. I made the mistake of going to the door to try to reason with a woman who was obviously intoxicated and a known meth user. I, 50 something years old, got charged with trespassing. She walked :-(
? on your own property? Who charged you? - nm
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just to answer your question - Roseanne
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I had to walk across a "city" lot to get to my own property. She videotaped me on her phone. The deputy sheriff charged me with trespassing . . . then it was dismissed when I went to court.

I guess I don’t get it - sm

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Did none of you pay attention to the Patriot Act when it was shoved down our throats? Did none of you care then that you (we) were willingly and happily handing our privacy (and rights to such) over to a government and White House that had proven time and again they were willing to lie and to jail anyone who spoke against them if possible?

I guess I don't get the outrage TODAY. Where was the outrage a decade ago? Am I to extrapolate that if we had another terrorist attack with huge loss of life like 9-11 that y'all would once again be happy to give up those rights? I saw no sense in the people who thought the White House who created the Patriot Act was like "daddy" watching over you to now this White House being "big brother" instead.

Yeah, no, I just don't get it. This is one horse that wont be going back into the barn.
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