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The Pope and Politics: Should he or Shouldn't he?
Posted: May 18, 2015
Well, since it's very quiet on the forum today, I thought I'd post something I initially read on Friday on paper in the WSJ, but I couldn't find the exact article online, so I posted the same story from my other favorite, the Washington Post: Pope Francis and the vatican announced a treaty that recognized the Palestinian state, and he also conferred two 17th century Palestinian nuns for canonization.
Even if you're not Catholic or you don't agree with him, ya gotta love this guy, he's a game changer - he's confused both the right AND left:)
Now, left-leaners who believe in separation of church and state are confused, to include the White House. They want to cheer on his actions, but realize doing so would be recognizing the power of the church's influence in politics and have encouraged him to "let the political negotiations complete." In fact, the White House has issued that statement as response.
Right-leaners, Israel and fundamentalist Christians are confused because they can't smear HIM a muslim-terrorist lover or antisemite because he's the leader of the largest Christian church in the world, 50% based in Judaism. So, of course, they also encouraged him to stay out of politics, too, or condemned him as "taking sides."
What do I think?
I think private churches have the right to take political stances any way they please, but financially contributing to national politicians to affect political outcome would be another story.
I think this man actually read the whole bible and paid attention to what it said about God's provision for both Israel and Palestine in Genesis. I think despite Israel whining about it, few of them belong to his church, but many Palestinians actually do, so it's not choosing them OVER Israel, it's recognizing the members of his own church.
I think Pope Francis is turning over tables in the temple and doing exactly WWJD, I love him for it. And I'm not Catholic!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/vatican-officially-recognizes-the-state-of-palestine/2015/05/13/265624f2-f97d-11e4-9ef4-1bb7ce3b3fb7_story.html
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Red Argentinian - Patriot
[ In Reply To ..]Of course he should not be involved in politics. He's not a politician, he's a religious figure. Besides, he's a flaming liberal that comes from a country that was pro-fascism not long ago. Liberals support communist states among many other wrong things, so it isn't surprising they support that man. The U.S. doesn't negotiate with communists, yet look at Cuba. The U.S. is gone.
Okay, but what about Pat Robertson/Christian Coalition? They even have lobbyists - and financial contributions JS
[ In Reply To ..]Double standard?
They are not in the same position as The Pope - Will
[ In Reply To ..]None of the people you mentioned are leaders of a state, as is the Pope. The people you mentioned are citizens of a state with no established religion (meaning there is no state religion like the Church of England, etc) and are subject to its laws.
Commenter's generality said: "he should not be involved in politics. He's not a - politician, he's a religious figure"JS
[ In Reply To ..]Since the pope is the head of state, that actually gives him more of a right to be involved in politics, but I was addressing the commenter's point only:
"Of course he should not be involved in politics. He's not a politician, he's a religious figure"
I was saying if that is truly what the right-wing believes (and that commenter is clearly right wing) then why are they okay with Pat Robertson or Mike Huckabee "getting involved in politics" and influencing them, financially or otherwise?
Yes I knew you were getting at that - Will
[ In Reply To ..]Yeah, I knew you were getting at that glaringly large piece of inconsistency. Of course, the Right loves it when religious figures take their side but start screaming things like "commie" whenever they don't!
The good news is that Pope Francis has no US tax exempt status to revoke, whereas others might.
Pope to Abbas - wish for peace - "May you be an angel of peace
[ In Reply To ..]This may be from which angle you take it...Pope wishes for Abbas to be the angel of peace (who could argue with that?)
As is tradition with heads of State or of government, Francis presented presented a gift to the Palestinian leader, commenting: “May the angel of peace destroy the evil spirit of war. I thought of you: may you be an angel of peace.” Pope Francis had called Abu Mazen a “man of peace” when he visited Bethlehem in May 2014, just as he called the then Israeli Prime Minister, Shimon Peres, a “man of peace” during his subsequent visit to Jerusalem.
Thanks for the link directly from the source for confirmation:) - Natl Review's throwing a fit though! JS
[ In Reply To ..]I don't speak his language well enough to be sure, but his actions made sense with those words :)
The National Review's throwing a fit, saying he never said that:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/418508/pope-francis-did-not-call-abbas-angel-peace-ellen-carmichael
Boy, the news can't seem to agree on anything these days.
The Pope is both a religious leader and a Head of State - so he can be legitimately involved in political ma
[ In Reply To ..]The Vatican is an independent state governed by the Holy See. http://w2.vatican.va/content/vatican/en.html
So, having the Pope speak on a political issue isn't really the same as having, say, a Baptist preacher do the same. The Baptist preacher isn't the head of a country, though, certainly, Mike Huckabee has ambitions in that direction! Still, even if Huckabee were to win, his job would be as a chief executive of a nation-state, not as a religious leader of a state with no established religion.
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