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Posted: Jan 17, 2014

You can do it 7 days a week. "WASHINGTON -- Wisconsin state Sen. Glenn Grothman (R) is attempting to roll back one of the state's progressive labor laws, arguing that workers should be allowed to work without a day off if they so choose." "Current Wisconsin law requires employers to give their workers at least one day off for every week on the job, but a new law being proposed in the state assembly could change that. Two state politicians working with the local business lobby have introduced legislation that would allow employees in the manufacturing and service sectors to work for a week or more without any mandated breaks." "One of the billâ��s sponsors, Republican state representative Mark Born, said the bill was intended only to allow workers the option of volunteering for additional work." "Right now in Wisconsin, you're not supposed to work seven days in a row, which is a little ridiculous because all sorts of people want to work seven days a week. . ." ****** This reminds me of the movement a couple of years ago by the Republicans to do away with the child labor laws. I realize there are already a lot of MTs working 7 days a week because it is the only way they can get by, but at least the super large MTSOs have not been able to require it. Like my mom used to say -- "give them an inch.";

The definitions in this piece are very different than what you infer. - Truthhurts

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Wisconsin state Sen. Glenn Grothman (R) is attempting to roll back one of the state's progressive labor laws, arguing that workers should be allowed to work without a day off if they so choose."

"Current Wisconsin law requires employers to give their workers at least one day off for every week on the job, but a new law being proposed in the state assembly could change that. Two state politicians working with the local business lobby have introduced legislation that would allow employees in the manufacturing and service sectors to work for a week or more without any mandated breaks."

"One of the bill’s sponsors, Republican state representative Mark Born, said the bill was intended only to allow workers the option of volunteering for additional work."

"Right now in Wisconsin, you're not supposed to work seven days in a row, which is a little ridiculous because all sorts of people want to work seven days a week. . ."

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This reminds me of the movement a couple of years ago by the Republicans to do away with the child labor laws. I realize there are already a lot of MTs working 7 days a week because it is the only way they can get by, but at least the super large MTSOs have not been able to require it. Like my mom used to say -- "give them an inch."

Wisconsin state Sen. Glenn Grothman (R) is attempting to roll back one of the state's progressive labor laws, arguing that workers should be allowed to work without a day off if they so choose."

"Current Wisconsin law requires employers to give their workers at least one day off for every week on the job, but a new law being proposed in the state assembly could change that. Two state politicians working with the local business lobby have introduced legislation that would allow employees in the manufacturing and service sectors to work for a week or more without any mandated breaks."
"One of the bill’s sponsors, Republican state representative Mark Born, said the bill was intended only to allow workers the option of volunteering for additional work."

"Right now in Wisconsin, you're not supposed to work seven days in a row, which is a little ridiculous because all sorts of people want to work seven days a week. . ."

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You said, "This reminds me of the movement a couple of years ago by the Republicans to do away with the child labor laws. I realize there are already a lot of MTs working 7 days a week because it is the only way they can get by, but at least the super large MTSOs have not been able to require it. Like my mom used to say -- "give them an inch." "

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This law would ALLOW, not REQUIRE employers or FORCE employees to work 7 days a week. Just like MTs VOLUNTEER to work 7 days a week, workers in Wisconsin would be able to VOLUNTEER to work 7 days a week. MTSOs would still not be able to REQUIRE working the 7 days a week. That's a big difference than what you stated.

If you would have read the child labor law that was was submitted the other year, you would have realized that it was not doing away with child labor laws. It was allowing employees 14 to 15 years old than the 16-17 year olds to do minor non-dangerous tasks that were formally restricted to the 16-17 age group. It also exempted certain agriculture tasks by children of family farmers. This, in no way, was "doing away with child labor laws."

Read the changes to the child labor laws:

http://www.dol.gov/whd/cl/SidebySideReg3FinalRule.htm

7 days not enough? Put those kiddies to work! - History lesson

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It used to be that US workers worked for a company and had some loyalty. They received vacations, sick leave, pensions, and good health insurance. Back in the 80s the corporations decided instead of pensions, they would give you a little percentage so you could match it and invest in your very own 401K. Then the Reagan Republican Wall Streeters crashed the market and stole those 401Ks. Bush saw this and thought it was a good thing. Thought we should do the same to Social Security. Perhaps it was fortunate that Bush's Wall Street cronies were a little greedy and managed to blow up the market before Bush managed to steal the Social Security benefits that was now the only safety net for the elderly.

It used to be US workers had Vacation and Sick time and Holiday pay. Along came the Corporations and sold the workers a bill of goods saying we will combine your VT and SL and you will now have PTO to use as you please. That sounded good until they decreased the PTO hours until it was about a quarter of what VT/SL used to be. There was no more double pay for working holidays. As an extra bonus, you now get to use what few hours you have as PTO if you want to take Christmas off.

The US workers used to have good solid health insurance plans through their work that the employers 100% paid for at NO COST to the employees. Then came the Reagan years that brought us HMOs where you had to choose a doctor in a network, benefits became so complicated people were shocked when they ended up paying more and more. Health care insurance increased more that 100% in ten years. Employers started shifting the cost of the health insurance to the employees, but salaries did not keep up with all the reductions in benefits.

My point? Working 7 days a week may be "voluntary" now, but mandatory in the near future. I have already had my fill of "so called" mandatory overtime just so I can sit without work the very next day. Welcome to the MT world. Its a Republican idea, just like doing away with the child labor laws. They propose it, they can take the credit for it.

OMG - they are not trying to force kids to work - nm

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nm

Hysterical much? - sm

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Why not exaggerate and blow a simple proposal completely out of proportion. Republicans are only proposing that if a 12-year-old WANTS to get a job, he'll be able to. He won't be forced to! He can't get a job now, except paper delivery. Also, if a 16-year-old WANTS to work a few more hours a week, he'll be allowed to. He won't be forced to!

Project much? - Definitions

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Just to clarify definition of projection: A person who rejects his or her own unacceptable attributes by ascribing them to objects or persons in the outside world. For example, a person who is rude may accuse other people of being rude.

The use of the child labor example WAS AN EXAMPLE. Your reaction shows it to be quite a hot button to you, perhaps even makes you hysterical.

Unfortunately, - old and burned out

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trying to support workers on this board will get you mostly negative responses. You would think most of the posters here were CEOs. Try mentioning income inequality next time and see what happens. Good luck!

The negative responses to common sense posts - sm

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These do not bother me. The uglier, the more non-sensical the response, the more they turn off sensible people. When they call people commies and post videos about Hitler, it just emphasizes the depths they are willing to slog through.

The MT world has always been screwy and rarely did what . - Truthhurts

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brick and mortar businesses did. There are quite a few companies that still give 401Ks, profit-sharing, health insurance, and private pensions. Most of the companies in my part of the country offer them but thanks to Obamacare, the health insurance part is not offered for decent costs these days.

As for Bush stealing SS...let's get that point cleared up. "Starting in 1969 (due to action by the Johnson Administration in 1968) the transactions to the Trust Fund were included in what is known as the "unified budget." This means that every function of the federal government is included in a single budget. This is sometimes described by saying that the Social Security Trust Funds are "on-budget." This budget treatment of the Social Security Trust Fund continued until 1990 when the Trust Funds were again taken "off-budget."

That meant that the Social Security money could be used for other purposes, which they were until 1990.

The MT company I worked for had 401Ks, vacation and sick time, family leave, etc. Very good benefits. There are others that do the same. Problem is, most of the good companies are being swallowed by 2 companies, becoming a monopoly, which isn't quite legal and I don't know how they are getting away with it.

Mandatory working cannot be required. That's breaking FEDERAL law. Unless the Senate changes the law, it won't happen. I doubt it would happen anyway.

Do you blame Reagan for the breakup of monopolies like AT&T and other companies too? If the monopolies weren't taken down, we'd still be paying whatever prices those companies felt like forcing us to pay.

Do you blame Reagan for allowing small investors to set up their own 401Ks and investing in the stock market because SS wouldn't be enough for the elderly to live on comfortably?

As for blaming Reagan for the problems of the dot.com crash for the collapse, you should put the blame where it belongs...on the companies themselves. They cooked the company books, not Congress, not Reagan.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/socialsecurity/changes.asp

http://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths2.html

Lew said Social Security is “entirely self-financing” and off budget. What could be clearer? Unconvinced, syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer wrote a subsequent column questioning Lew’s assertions. “This [Lew’s] claim is a breathtaking fraud. The pretense is that a flush trust fund will pay retirees for the next 26 years. Lovely, except for one thing: The Social Security trust fund is a fiction. … In other words, the Social Security trust fund contains—nothing.”

Social Security status-quo defenders have assured us for the past 25 years that Social Security is fully funded—for the next 25 years, or 2036. So if there are real assets in the Social Security Trust Fund—$2.6 trillion allegedly—then how could failure to reach a debt-ceiling agreement possibly threaten seniors’ Social Security checks?

The answer is that the federal government has borrowed all of that trust fund money and spent it, exactly as Krauthammer asserted. And the only way the trust fund can get some cash to pay Social Security benefits is if the federal government draws it from general revenues or borrows the money—which, of course, it can’t do because of the debt ceiling.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2011/07/13/what-happened-to-the-2-6-trillion-social-security-trust-fund/

My point - you're putting the blame one a political party, not a combination of party and company. Your hatred of the Republican party is quite clear but let's get be clear -- looting the SS trust fund was done by both parties while turning a blind eye to companies who decide not to offer certain benefits is not a government problem, unless you approve more government intrusion into our lives..

Unrelated, but let's - not forget...

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...what Dodd and Frank did to the mortgage business while lining their pockets.

I agree. That was the beginning of the housing bubble crash. - Truthhurts

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Barney and Dodd had a lot to do with it. Barney was on the Housing Financial Services Committee and kept stating that there was nothing wrong with the housing market and kept blocking new regulation before the crash. Evidently, he wasn't looking at the numbers, just covering for his friends at Fannie and Freddie. Dodd, too, was covering because he had a lower-than-average mortgage. He acted dumb when asked about it.

Clinton wanted everyone to have the American dream of home ownership. Congress went along with it. That was fine, as long as they could afford the housing. Then along came the CRA which really forced banks and other lending companies to give sub-prime mortgages to those who didn't qualify for conventional mortgages, all because the housing market was on an even keel but not rising Fannie and Freddie jumped in with both feet in 1993 by lowering their standards and loan financing to meet the mandated policy.

It's a shame that history repeats itself and no one seems to learn from their mistakes because Congress has loosened the mortgage law once again to get the housing market back on its feet.

Banks may have been encouraged - old and burned out

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to give loans to low income applicants but certainly not forced and not forced to misrepresent the loans. They were also not forced to bundle these subprime mortgages into securities for which they managed to obtain an AAA rating. There is a lot more to this than just poor people not being able to meet their obligations.

Well, I see at least 2 people don't like truth in the post i made - Truthhurts

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That's okay. Doesn't bother me a bit. The links I posted are pretty much neutral links. Maybe that's why.

Is it because they don't like the idea that both parties looted the Social Security dollars?

Is it because it was Johnson who first juggled and put Social Security into the general fund so they could use the money against debt?

Was it because I worked for an MT company that gave good benefits?

Was it because MT is now becoming monopolized by two giants that don't give a hoot about their employees?

or was it the last paragraph where I was truthful in stating that the poster I replied to hates Republicans?

No matter what the reason is. People who turn a blind eye to companies who don't offer their employees oodles of benefits and blame a political party is not being truthful. I'm sure some people think government intrusion into our lives is also the best thing for us because so many people are too dumb to think for themselves. Could that be it?

Have a nice evening. :).

Perhaps because you managed to work in the usual insult - sm

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Yes, I dislike your post because you assume I hate the Republican party. I do not hate the Republican party. You were not being truthful. I dislike this post because you are assuming that everyone who does not think as you do is dumb.

My post was about the loss of workers rights. If the Republicans had their way, there would be no equal pay for women, employees would be subject to safety hazards and all kinds of abuse. The 7-day a week work law proposed is another erosion of worker's rights. Companies (not just the MT companies) used to value employees much more, providing training and incentives, paid time off, employer paid health insurance, pensions, etc.

Spin it however you want, the Republicans would love to privatize Social Security because they are in the pocket of the corporate interests who want to make some more profit off of American taxpayers. That would be wrong just as there is no reason that health insurance companies even need to exist, much less get a cut of everyone's health care money.

Here ya go. - Truthhurts

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First of all, I was not assuming everyone who does not think as me is dumb. I was providing information on Social Security and other opinions.

Secondly, if you’re the person who signed yourself History Lesson, I was not insulting you. Just those few sentences below tells me that you hate Republicans. Otherwise, you’d do your research to see that Johnson WAS the one that took SS and put it in the general fund, which fact you seemed to ignore

“Then the Reagan Republican Wall Streeters crashed the market and stole those 401Ks. Bush saw this and thought it was a good thing. Thought we should do the same to Social Security. Perhaps it was fortunate that Bush's Wall Street cronies were a little greedy and managed to blow up the market before Bush managed to steal the Social Security benefits that was now the only safety net for the elderly.

Its a Republican idea, just like doing away with the child labor laws. They propose it, they can take the credit for it. “

And then you said it again: ” If the Republicans had their way, there would be no equal pay for women, employees would be subject to safety hazards and all kinds of abuse.”

If you don’t hate Republicans, I’d like to know why you don’t give “credit” for screw-ups that the Democrats do, or don’t you believe they ever screw up? BTW, my opinion of you hating Republicans is not an insult because you have proven over and over again that you do hate Republicans.

As for privatizing Social Security…you’re wrong. President Bush wanted a transition to a COMBINATION of a government-funded program and personal accounts (401Ks or any other fund the worker chose) through partial privatization of the system.

Is privatization any worse than the government stealing our Social Security monies? At least we would have had some control over the fund that we pay into (Social Security).

Please read this link. It is the pros and cons of privatization.
http://socialsecurity.procon.org/#Background

Lastly, all the points you were trying to make are really what I've heard over and over again from the democrats and those points are either half-truths or out-and-out lies.

As I posted - old and burned out

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you didn't cite "truth," you cited the myths at the beginning of the Snopes article that were all debunked further down the page. I think if you use something as a reference you need to read the entire content.

I posted the LINK to SNOPES, nothing from that article. - Truthhurts

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If you're speaking of the Johnson paragraph, if you would have gone to the SSA website, you would have seen that's where the history of when the government started robbing Social Security started.

Otherwise, I have no idea what you're talking about.

If you read further down - old and burned out

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in the Snopes article you will see that all of your points are debunked. The SSTF was never made part of the general fund. Your other points were refuted as well. The govt does get its hands on SS money but not in that way and as you say, both parties are to blame. Also, no one, no immigrants, NO ONE gets money from SS who has not paid in.

Thanks truthhurts from bringing truth to the board again - sm

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Your research is greatly appreciated here. In answer to your questions.

Yes.
Yes
Unsure.
Yes.
Yes.

I appreciate seeing you back on the board. Your posts are always insightful and enjoyable and just state the facts plain and simple with references to back them up.

Thanks again.

Your post - old and burned out

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is going to require some research but I appreciate that it is intelligent and informative and minus the name calling. Will do some reading.

Wrong again - old and burned out

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Unfortunately, you didn't read far enough down the page of the Snopes article. The myths you cited are just those - MYTHS. If you continue reading the Snopes article, you will learn the truth about Social Security.

See my reply to you above your other post. (nm) - Truthhurts

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Working 7 days a week in this weather?!? - sm

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This guy is crazy. First off, I know HE does not work 7 days a week. Secondly, even if I had a job where I left the home, I would not work 7 days a week because on days it is -45 degrees, how do you get to work with a dead frozen car? And the only way someone in WI (which is where I live) WOULD work 7 days a week is if they got OT pay when they hit 40 hours! Otherwise who would do it? Yeah some MAY "like" their job enough to want to, good for them, but I know for myself that I would not unless they made it worth my while, aka OVERTIME! (and being an MT for an MTSO we all know that OT pay doesn't happen). Anyone else either REALLY loves their job or hates being home so much that they'll do anything to be away from home.

Of all the people I know here in WI, they would only work 7 days a week if they were making the $$$ because being away from their kids all that time (and paying for childcare would eat up that money) would not be worth it to them.

Plus I have somewhat of a "life" outside of work LOL

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