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Posted: Apr 6, 2011

The fact that Kloppenburg was UNKNOWN two months ago and has all but beaten a 14 year incumbent, goes to show how far out of touch the Republican T-Party is with the working people of Wisconsin. Only five other Supreme Count incumbents have been ousted by a challenger in the history of Wisconsin.

It will almost certainly go to recount, but Scott Walker has been put on notice that he will be recalled.

Good going Wisconsin!

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I think the House will think twice about the Ryan plan now - nm

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I certainly hope not, because Ryan's plan - has nothing to do with

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a union power struggle like what is going on in Wisconsin. Don't try to connect the two...not related.

I agree with the OP that it is indeed connected - my opinion

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I think we'll see more "connections" in the next few months.

I disagree...not connected, and even if it was... - it is a virtual dead heat.

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so, frankly, you have nothing to crow about. Now the midterms...THERE was a referendum and something to crow about.

They have not even had the recount and you don't even know if the Democrat has won yet...lol.

He was supposed to stomp all over his opponent as if she didn't exist - Disagreeing with your disagreement

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Not crowing it all. Time will tell. My own belief about this is that it is definitely connected, a sign that things aren't quite right with the overreaching Walker and his friends did. I believe it was an enormous mistake!

We can agree to disagree about all of that, of course.

Yep, and we definitely do disagree. And I have - seen the rhetoric on the net

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already preparing for what to say if Prosser wins...."a moral victory." Last count I saw, he was still ahead.

Now...what happens during the recount? The Supreme court goes on with the members there until it is all hashed out? I am asking that question becuse I don't know in the case of a supreme court judge...

I'm not sure either - Disagreeing (again) but politely :)

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I'm not sure how that works. I did want to come back and say though that yes, I do think that it made a statement that a relatively unknown person did so well against someone who was considered to be a shoe-in. However, I think it's just a small step, not a major victory of some sort, certainly nothing to use as a sledgehammer against those with the opposing view.

I'm not into bragging about those kinds of things, even if she won a dramatic victory against him. It's not braggable as Donald Rumsfield might have said. :)

Agreeing to disagree, also politely. :) - nm

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This is like a breath of fresh air! LOL - nm

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That's what I am thinking too - Agree with you

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I believe that we will be seeing many more situations like this. The overreaching Walker did has resulted in the waking up of America. He has motivated us to stop all of this bullying. Whether we will succeed in putting these people out of office or not remains to be seen. I don't like to count my chickens before they hatch. If it were up to me, all of the Republicans who held that vote would be out.

But not the Democrats who ran from a vote - they could not win.

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and you say Walker overreached. Just freaking amazing that you only want a democracy when it works for you.

THAT is why I may never vote Democrat again, because I DO believe in democracy and majority rule. I don't have to like it if what I believe loses in a vote, but I certainly lose respect for those who run when they can't win a vote.

Democracy? - mbmt

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How is what Governor Walker and the Republicans did democracy? Do you even have an idea of what actually happened when the Governor and the Republicans went about attempting to pass the bill that strips nearly all collective bargaining rights from public employees? That was not democracy!

Yes, it was. I didn't like it when Obama and - the Dems shoved Obamacare

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down my throat, something I did not want in this lifetime or any other...but I would not have wanted the Republicans to flee Washington and stall the vote because they knew they could not stop it, they didn't have the votes.

Yet that is EXACTLY what the Democrats in Wisconsin did. They ran because they did not have enough votes to stop whta they did not agree with.

You obviously do not know what democracy IS. It means majority rules, and if you lose, you live with it. Just like those of us who think Obamacare stinks to the high heaven have to live with it.

That is why Republicans are much higher on my respect scale than Democrats. Cut and run when you can't win is not what I want running the country.

Straight Republican ticket for me in 2012. What little respect I might have had left for Democrats...that Wisconsin bunch pretty much squelched.

I cannot believe you actually think running from a vote was a good thing, simply because you did not want what was being voted for. Sounds like you would be for a dictatorship as long as the dictator was a Democrat.

SIGH.

Yes, I do believe it - mbmt

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Yes, I do believe leaving the State of Wisconsin was the only thing the Democratic Senators could do to give the people of Wisconsin time to become aware of what was in the bill. They knew that they would eventually have to vote on the bill, so that was not the reason for leaving the state. Hey, we already have a dictatorship in Wisconsin run by Scott Walker.

Please feel free to read what transpired with the collective bargaining part of the bill being separated from the budget bill (many articles out there on that). Was that democracy?

Well, I don't think it was the only thing they - could do. They could have

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stayed and debated.

You keep saying give the people of Wisconsin time to look at the bill. They have looked at it since and if the vote for the judge is any indication, half of Wisconsin is still behind Walker and the Republicans. So how can you say it is not Democracy? The other half apparently DO want it, the NONunion half it would seem. Does that make the ones who did want it wrong? What The Democrats did is rob the OTHER half of THEIR due process in Democracy.

As I said...JUST like Obamacare. Most of the country did not want it, but the Dems pushed it through because they had the votes, and the Republicans stayed and voted against it, knowing they did not have the votes to stop it, instead of running like cowards.

I stand by what I say. They thwarted democracy, thumbed their nose at the Constitution and everything this country stands for.

Have absolutely no respect for them or anyone who supports what they did.

You can if you like. If the situation had been reversed and The Republicans ran to stop a vote on something you wanted, you would be castigating them for running.

Please do not defending this as something noble. It was anything but.

And I am sure that the other half of the workers in Wisconsin do not appreciate you marginalizing them and denying THEM the due course of democracy.

They could not have stayed and debated because the debate was stopped suddenly - and the vote to be held without further debate

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I'm another person jumping in here, not the person you've been talking to (above).

They couldn't have stayed and debated because it was not allowed. That was the reason for what happened. They would not allow further discussion or debate, just a vote, so there was no way to stay and debate. It wasn't allowed.

Basically exactly what happened on the - Obamacare vote.

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and yet the Republicans stayed, letting democracy work as it is supposed to.

The Wisconsin Democrats did not, choosing instead to run away, thus disenfranchising the other half of the taxpayers in the state who supported the bill.

No matter how you look at it, that is WRONG.

You are right - mbmt

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You are so right. Walker refused to negotiate. It was his way or the highway. The Democrats chose the highway to Illinois to give the people of Wisconsin a chance to find out what the bill was about, and I applaud them.

EXACTLY like what happened with Obamacare. - His way or the highway.

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but the Republicans had the integrity to stay and vote even though they knew they would lose. What your Democrats did was run like cowards to circumvent democracy, thereby disenfranchising over half of your state. And you threw your own integrity and the other half of the people in your state by supporting it.

Shame on you.

Ever hear of the ol Fillibuster? The GOP has. - Truthseeker

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Last year, the first of the 111th Congress, there were a record 112 cloture votes. In the first two months of 2010, the number already exceeds 40.

That means, with 10 months left to run in the 111th Congress, Republicans have turned to the filibuster or threatened its use at a pace that will more than triple the old record. The 104th Congress in 1995-96 â�� when Republicans held a 53-47 majority â�� required 50 cloture votes.

Sure...but when Obamacare was shoved - through Dems had majority

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in both houses. And they used it to push through legislation that much of the country did not want, which resulted in historic losses on their side of the aisle. Point being...the Republicans KNEW that they were going to lose, but they stayed and voted, they did not run like scared dogs with tails between their legs, circumventing democracy and disenfranchising the people who sent them there to vote...like the Wisconsin Dems did.

What the Wisconsin Dems did was cowardly and deplorable.

Going to a recount is not a shellacking.... - what happened in the

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midterms is a shellacking. Let's be fair. This is going to a recount. No recounts at midterms.

As to recall efforts, the jury is out on that one too.

I really hate that it came out this way....because now the voter fraud allegations will start back and forth and the ugly name calling will be revived...I would love to know how much union money was spent on this. I did see somewhere that a lot of it came from outside Wisconsin.

Let's see how it turns out after the recount. But with such a slim margin I cannot see it as a referendum on anything other than the state is split almost evenly.

As to recalling Walker...saw 8 Democrat senators were being recalled too.

This is just sad what is happening to Wisconsin and ALL the residents caught in a power struggle between unions and their state government, and that is all this boils down to.

It certainly is a shellacking - LOL!

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When Prosser's campaign has spent over a million dollars to retain the incumbent seat and even Prosser's campaign manager resigned, I would call it a shellacking.

"Supreme Court Justice David Prosserâ��s Campaign Co-Chair resigned today, and endorsed Joanne Kloppenburg. To explain his change of heart, former governor Patrick Lucey cited Prosserâ��s lack of impartiality. and â��disturbing distemper and lack of civilityâ��.

Nope...not a shellacking. A shellacking is - winning in a landslide

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and sending home Democrats in record numbers. A shellacking is a Republican sitting in Teddy Kennedy's seat in Massachusetts, one of the biggest liberal bastions in the whole US.

When that happens in reverse you can claim a shellacking. Until then...empty rhetoric.

You have a good day now!

Oh my goodness! This has to be a joke, right? - Would love to know more about what happened

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That kind of thing just never happens. I'd love to know the inside story.

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