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Posted: Aug 6, 2017

Communism, by the way, is not really a type of government — communism describes a future classless society which results from socialism. There has never been a communist human society… yet…

Because the word “socialism” is often abused by the major media-outlets, it is hard to explain the idea behind socialism without clearing the table by emphasizing what socialism is not:

  • Socialism is not a type of government
  • Socialism is not sharing everything
  • Socialism is not making sure everybody has the same stuff
  • Socialism has nothing to do with higher or lower taxes
  • Socialism is not wealth-redistribution

Some call socialism an economic system and that is a bit closer to the truth — socialism is a mode of production.

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Right. A method that, like a tool, can be used where - it works better than other methods

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and not used where it does not.

The VA is a socialized healthcare system. The practitioners work for the VA. Social Security and the ACA are not.

The VA, by the way, is also by far the most efficient and least costly (to taxpayers AND patients) of our many healthcare systems, and so popular among vets that very few can be found who would support "privatizing," i.e., destroying it.

Do Socialists need glasses? Why does the type - have to be so large in your post

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All advanced nations employ both capitalist and socialist - systems to function effectively

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and efficiently. Even us. This mixture is integral to the level of prosperity the fortunate residents of advanced nations have enjoyed since WWII.

Notably, using the right method for the job is critical. No all-capitalism nations have large, prosperous middle classes, usually very much to the contrary. No all-socialist governments have succeeded.

People keep trying to blame free markets for all our - problems, but we have had a mixed

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economy for close to 100 years.

So why does capitalism always get blamed but socialism causing some of these disasters? Increased regulation, bloating entitlement programs are making it acceptable to take money from some people and give it to others; and K-12 education has been indoctrinating our children that big government is good.

If socialism is so much better, why are Canadians making doctor's appointments in America?

Can you imagine how America would be if all our entitlement programs were fully funded? If social security, Medicaid, union pensions, and every other federal and state entitlement program had every penny it was promised. Can you imagine not having debt? The government made promises they and the public knew could not be kept without huge tax increases and reduction in services. We are a socialist nation now and sliding further into socialist policies. We the people let it happen, but not all.

Many of us still like the idea of liberty and freedom and don't fear taking responsibility for ourselves.
Karl Marx used to sit in coffee shops writing his manifesto. - He was once a reporter writing for
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an American newspaper. He couldn't make it in the real world.

I'm pretty sure this was copied and pasted - and print type was transferred here

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But then some of us do need glasses, both liberals and conservatives. Surely you must be smart enough to know that - or not?

Funny... the comment is about font size? - Sm

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Of course, it is copied and pasted. If you read the article that is quickly apparent.

Socialism does not make people prosperous. - It has not expanded liberty and

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freedom. Socialism is essentially where the citizens of a country give over their freedom and their individuality to the state. The state then runs and controls all of a society’s needs. This then turns everybody into a dependent on the government for survival. It strips them of self-reliance and individuality.

In college it's being taught that socialism fund our streets, rebuilding our infrastructure...but socialism funds nothing. Governments produce nothing, they have to take it from citizens who produce it.

Socialism tries to make everybody the same, but we aren't. Some people like to work a lot, some people are happy with a 9-5 job. Some people are lazy.

Completely refuted by dozens of nations. AND the subject - is method, not extremist ideology

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either for or against.

Denying that socialism can be a good economic method for certain applications is like taking an ideological stand against using yeast in bread, any bread, ever. Or joining the United Baking Soda Party of America and railing about the evils of baking powder.

America was noted founded like other European nations. - We were the exception to the rule;

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hence, American exceptionalism.

William Bradford wrote extensively in his diary how the Pilgrims tried a form of socialism and it failed.

"The colony’s governor, William Bradford, wrote that its socialist philosophy greatly hindered its growth: Young men resented working for the benefit of other men’s wives and children without compensation; healthy men who worked thought it unjust that they received no more food than weak men who could not; wives resented doing household chores for other men, considering it a kind of slavery.

Governor Bradford wrote that to avoid famine in 1623, the Pilgrims abandoned socialism, Patton said.

“At length, after much debate of things, the Governor (with the advice of the chiefest amongst them) gave way that they should set corn every man for his own particular, and in that regard trust to themselves; in all other things to go on in the general way as before. And so assigned to every family a parcel of land,” Bradford wrote.

The colonists, each of whom now had to grow their own food, suddenly became very industrious, with women and children who earlier claimed weakness now going into the fields to plant corn. Three times the amount of corn was planted that year under the new system."
Interesting note, thanks. But "American Exceptionalism" - is an incredibly flawed doctrine
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and is used by many to justify many foolish and immoral, even evil, actions. To the point these days that we need to regard that term itself as a big red flag. It is being used mainly by white nationalists, business-fascist leaners, and Christian dominionists to justify taking over and destroying our nation as we know it.

By the way, Russian culture has always had a strong sense of Russian exceptionalism and is today a big part of why there is such strong support for invading 15 free nations, murdering as necessary, and reconstructing a new Soviet Union. The people are living poor in a pissant little economy spread over a giant geographic area, but they are willing to go kill and die in their turn in the name of Russian Exceptionalism make Make Russia Great Again.
But Russia is NOT the exception to the rule. It has had - Kings and Queens and not a self
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governing constitution. There's no comparison.
That's what THEY say too, tho. There can only be ONE - "exceptional nation" to believers.
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Their own.
Of course, this belief probably has strong adherents in not just 2 or nearly 200 nations, but in very large number of culturalgroups. Wanna convince people in any part of ancient India or China WE are the exceptional ones? That our nation of mongrels are a superior people simply by living here? That God loves us most, that WE're destined to rule the world (etcetera, etcetera to that) in HIS name.?
A A belief in national exceptionalism is shared probably by at least a couple of the billion people on this planet.
America's founding WAS exceptional. We declared independence, - fought a revolutionary war,
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wrote our own Constitution with Bill of Rights about what the government CANNOT DO, created a limited government of checks and balances...

"endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights"

What other nation did that?
Plus America was the land of opportunity, no guarantees, - but opportunity.
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That's why people came here.
Yes, and many other nations copied our constitution - and form of government in
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their own revolutions as humanity continues to advance. But, you know, we did not invent these principles, we copied them from older cultures. Our contributions have been important, but they're part of a whole, not the whole.

And, of course, that's not the only exceptional thing nations do. For just one, do you know that both Syria and Iraq provide(d) free college to their citizens? As do a couple dozen others? Although our founding fathers and their close successors started off wonderfully good in valuing universal education, many cultures value education far more than we do as a nation and many nations have advanced way beyond us in commitment to an educated citizenry. We have some of the best universities in the world, but too many of our best, most outstanding students were born in other nations, and the achievements of those who remain in this melting pot have always been a significant part of why we continue to be lead the planet in many advances, and at very least be among the leaders in most important areas.

Yet you will have Liberal Fascists defend this because - they do not understand it

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They too suffer, but cannot ditch their tin-foil ideology long enough to research what ACTUALLY happens to freedom under socialism, fascism, communism.

They are back.... - so sad

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:(

Oh, I for one have no desire to live in a true socialist nation. - But my daughter-in-law is from

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one with a number of big socialized institutions embedded in their economy, and she's very proud of her nation (Denmark).

I've seen (to my mind) a rather excessive pride in Danes in general :) , but no lack of freedom. (They rank very high on planetary wellbeing and happiness scales, you know.)

Unless you call paying very high taxes for all that wellbeing a lack of freedom. They do, and they are mandatory. But fwiw, just like here, every election gives them an opportunity for peaceful revolution and they apparently like their ways.
As for your conception of LIBERALS, though: "Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the State ... LIBERALISM denied the State in the interests of the particular individual; Fascism reaffirms the State as the true reality of the individual." -- Mussolini again, but you have to admit he was a bit of an expert. He kept mentioning them because they, of course, were his largest obstacle to taking over.
Classic liberalismwass more like libertarianism - beore fhe progressives co-opted it
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for themselves and re-defined its meaning to suit themselves.

When one reads books by John Locke, Adam Smith, Frederick Hayat, Alexis de Tocqueville, Bastiat and others, the term classic liberal does not mean what it does today.

It's no coincidence that societal moral corruption has - increased with the rise of socialism.

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My son was born in 78. He says he cannot believe the changes he has witnessed just in his lifetime to date.

I was born in 52, I don’t recognize America anymore. Today you can get arrested for chewing the bread on your grill cheese sandwich to look like a gun.

I know my dad and granddad would be in total shock (went through two World Wars and a small skirmish in Korea and the again in Vietnam) to see people who think socialism is the best thing since sliced bread. Most of my grandkids have swallowed the bait, hook line and sinker. Really makes me sad for our country.

You know what they say, you don't know what you had until it's lost.

What also happened in that period was a BIG-MONEY - takeover of politics, starting in the 1970s

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and accelerating greatly since, but especially over the past decade.

Remember, the America you and I knew, and we both look back on now with longing, was the New Deal era our parents recreated out of the ashes of the Depression. Historians say that era ended at the end of the 1970s, beginning of the 1980s.

After that, around 1978-80 a new era began in which the influence of Big Money became dominant and reoriented America toward serving business and toward transferring our national wealth and power to an increasingly ultra-wealthy ruling class.
As we and your son are seeing, their work has been intensely corrupting, not just of politicians but of the national mood and our unity of purpose, very much including degrading the electorate through lying, confusing, deluding and ultimately disillusioning. It is critically important for people who intend to dismantle our government that we do not believe in it and will support its dismantling. And so they tell us the New Deal government caused the disappearance of our prosperity, not a brand-new billionaire class built on our backs.

And, given that they must overcome the will of the electorate, and we now number 200 MILLION REGISTERED VOTERS (!), they had to divide to conquer. At this low moment in our history, we are divided. And we are reacting, but not nearly fast enough.

By the way, notice that we agree on some really big things, just not that a very modest degree of socialism by 1978 caused all this. (The VA? Do we consider Social Security, Medicare, Unemployment Insurance as disastrous? Must we say goodbye to them to return to the good old days OF them?)
I have seen this in my life and don't understand why so many - still want to give more
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to these corporations. Money has caused all of this. It was happening exactly when you say it was, but it isn't just one of the things that changed our country, it is THE thing. Government is bought and it's legal. There's has been a huge transfer of wealth to the top, from the wallets of the majority. If we all put our money together to fight back against big business now, there wouldn't be enough money. A lot of boomers watched it go down during their lives. It's why I turned away from supporting the right. They are all to happy to keep transferring the money upward, but they will reap no benefit
My theory is wannabes....they all wannabe - at the top
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So they can't criticize the top. It is greed and cut-throat capitalism. People have lost their way and don't care about anyone but their clan and themselves.

That destroyed transcription too. Everyone who had the power to influence these decisions went for their paycheck first. No one thought about what was good for the industry, MTs in the U.S., hospitals or patients. They went to the highest bidder and hold on for dear life to the almighty dollars flowing into their pockets. It all rolls downhill. In their frustration and desire to keep their jobs, they are all too willing to destroy yours, even when all of this edit/Fiesa crap makes no sense. The errors that are okay are incredible. The errors they dock your pay for are ridiculous.

Nationalized health care is the fasted route to a socialized - country there is. Since it's been

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priced out of the individual’s ability to pay for it, the next step will be turning to govt to be "taken care of."

Socialism is romanticized. Look at Hugo Chavez. He send billions to Swiss bank accounts while his people were poor. Yes, free market system has it problems. As long as human nature is involved any system will be flawed.

Interestingly, "mostly" socialized Bolivia is currently - thriving. Largely because of

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a lot more good management than bad, of course, instead of Venezuela's spectacularly poor management. But descriptions of Bolivia usually fail to mention that capitalism is very much alive there, a critical part of the energy fueling its engine.
As you say, humans will always be THE factor in whether something succeeds or fails. Bolivia has a lot of corruption, and authoritarianism is growing (funny how inevitably corruption and authoritarianism go together, huh?), just as they are here in our current government. But if either of us allow authoritarian governments to take over, it won't be because of the socialized medicine one state has and another does not.

Reportedly some 25-30% of humans at any time yearn for authoritarian leaders, and that number grows in times of anxiety.

"The truth is that men are tired of liberty." - Benito Mussolini

If amended to "some men," seems likely true then and now. Some of us never get tired of it.

And it wasn't an oil rich country - to destabilize

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Venezuela's biggest problem was that they have oil. The attention and destabilization by U.S. and Saudi began with that. Socialism being in the mix was just convenient for the further brainwashing of America.
Hugo Chavez took over the oil companies and then kicked - the Americans out. He then
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took over the farms and put people in their who didn't know how to farm. HE created their problems.

This is going so well! - Discuss with logic

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With the exception of the person stuck in the 1600s, the discussion is productive. I will definitely do this again.

I am hoping, and I cringe when saying that, for people on board to stop throwing some of these terms about without understanding. I suspect "they" have not gotten here yet. :(

Regarding the person "stuck in the 1600s'' you can't - understand your country unless you

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understand it's founding.

Politicians who tap into human desires to win support for confiscatory rates of taxation by saying they are necessary to “give every citizen free medicine, help the children or to end poverty” know better than to justify higher taxes by explaining that they want your vote for power.

And the ones claiming those taxes are needed more for the good - of big business lobbyists

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are even lower. They also want power, reelection, and big business NEEDS that money, the sick and poor (poor WORKING citizens at this point in their money grabbing game included) don't need anything even if they worked and paid taxes for their entire lives. We used to have plenty to share but so much has already been taken that people have nothing left to give

Yes, and thanks. Looking forward to it. nt - Discuss with Logic.

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