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Getting older question

Posted: Nov 9, 2013

I was wondering if anyone else is going through this. I turned 53 last spring, but I have been noticing that food I normally eat and have been eating for yers and years are either making me feel sick, giving me diarrhea and even heartburn. I wonder if this is an age thing and that dietary needs change.

So far have identified:

Milk, eggs, cheese (but not greek yogurt), ice cream (but not organic) they all upset my stomache.

Chocolate candy (but not chocolate chip cookies), peanuts, potato chips, popcorn, crackers, tomatoes, cucumbers, brocoli, give me heartburn and they make me burp.

I made homemade hamburgers last week and I was sick all night long, falling asleep on our couch clinging to my garbage pail ready to throw up.

It's almost like I'm afraid to eat anything anymore. All the above things are stuff we normally eat and have been eating for years, so I still eat them, I just don't feel good aftwards. Pepto (which I have detested my whole life) I now need a couple times a week. I'm also exhausted all the time, but I figure that is because I'm working a lot, and I've noticed my vision is changing too. I've noticed that over the last couple months. My far away glasses make things blurry, my computer glasses I now use to see far away and my reading glasses I use for my computer work (or I just take them off).

Was just wondering if this is a normal part of getting older and if others have gone through it what they recommend. I have no health insurance so going to the doctor or having tests done is out of the question. Are there any diet suggestions you recommend or websites. Since I've never grown old before (LOL) I have nothing to measure this by. I also think I may be going into menopause (finally!), but not sure about that either.

Thanks for any help anyone can give me. Sometimes I feel exacerbated, but then I'm so tired I fall asleep and forget how exacerbated I feel.

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I swear, our food supply is making us ALL sick. - ETOHPRN

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A neighbor of mine had a near-death experience and she is currently grabbing life by the cojones. She went full on "paleo" diet and has done so for over a year now. She looks 10 YEARS YOUNGER. She even started running and is now running marathons! Like out of nowhere! She has all this energy, her joints don't hurt, and her skin looks AMAZING, like she has totally found the fountain of youth and I'm not pulling your pud!

Like I said though, she went hardcore. No dairy, no grains at all. It is NOT for the faint of heart I guess. You have to re-learn to eat and cook. I don't have the gumption right now myself, but I'm getting there fast as I'm feeling like you do too.

She literally eats salad 3 meals a day with some meats/eggs here and there. No breads. No pasta. No rice. Hardly any eating out. Lots of info out there on the internet about it. Even just going gluten free has helped a lot of people too. Read "Wheat Belly" if you get a chance. Kind of mind blowing actually.

Recommending a Diet - Is Just nuts

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Recommending a diet to someone who may be seriously ill, is just very dangerous. I'm not trying to scare the person--it could be something benign or it could be life-threatening--but to diagnose her as needing to cut out certain foods is very flaky.

I would agree that she should avoid foods that are clearly making her ill, but her problems are a symptom of something and they should be looked into with blood work and scans.

blood work and scans will tell her nothing - the food all have commonalities

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Milk, ice cream, and cheese = dairy. Most adult humans have issues with dairy or develop issues with dairy. Human adults are not meant to digest dairy. Dairy comes from a food that is designed to feed baby cows. Fermented dairy is often digestible, as you have found with the greek yogurt, because the fermentation process destroys the milk proteins which is what you are reacting to.

The other foods on your list include nightshades (potatoes and tomatoes) which many people have problems digesting, cruciferous vegetables (broccoli) and lots of processed snack type foods that use some sort of industrial oil to cook them with and all contain wheat of some sort. Processed industrial cooking oils are very often rancid and are scary stuff.

Contrary to another opinion expressed in this thread, switching to a paleo/primal/ancestral way of eating is not a fad. People have been doing it successfully for tens of thousands of years.

Try an experiment for a month. It won't be easy, but it will be worth it. Get rid of any and all grain and processed foods. All of it. That means no bun for the hamburger, no corn chips, no potato chips, no popcorn, no sandwiches. NO GRAIN. No wheat, no corn, no rye, no spelt, no rice, nothing. Nothing.

A very simple rule of thumb is if it has an ingredient list, don't eat it. That means you will concentrate on meat and veg and cook your own stuff. Throw some fruit in periodically, but not a lot. Stay away from the nightshades because you are reacting to those, so no potatoes and no tomatoes, no peppers, no eggplant.

You may have a period during the first week where you don't feel great because your body is coming down off the carbohydrate high - it's called carb flu. After you get through that, I PROMISE, you will feel better than you ever have before.

Is this an easy way of living? Not necessarily. It takes more work because you can't just get a packaged whatever and throw it in the oven or microwave. You have to think more about what you are going to eat and snacking really is out the door.

If your symptoms continue, then by all means, see a doctor. If you do it now, though, they'll never address food and on the off chance that they do, unless you get a doc who is wise in the ways of nutrition and thinks outside the Standard American Diet and it's "healthy" 10 servings of whole grains a day, then he still won't solve your problem.

People are quick to run to the doctor when they have a GI problem and sometimes there absolutely is an issue. HOWEVER, the first line of investigation should always be what you are putting into your stomach to feed your body. If you are eating something that makes you ill, even if it never did before, stop eating it. What you eat matters.

Will tell nothing? - so...

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...you can't possibly be an MT, or at least not an acute care MT. I don't even think you have to be any kind of MT to know that blood work can tell a story---maybe not the whole story, but definitely a story. It can show if your kidneys, pancreas, gallbladder, and liver are functioning properly. It can show if there might be an infection brewing. Scans can determine if there is cancer, stones, etc.

The concern here is that this person used to be able to tolerate the foods. And age has nothing to do with it. It is not normal at any age (even if you're 94)to be seriously throwing up and/or having diarrhea.

You're also failing to understand that her electrolytes should be checked because of all this fluid loss. Her kidneys could fail.

Switching her diet may just cover up some symptoms---it will not diagnose the problem.

Thank you - voice of reason - wheres_my_job

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nm

Other way around - get checked out FIRST - wheres_my_job

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GI problems like hers can be symptom of something very serious. Get checked out first, or in addition to dietary changes.

Great advice - thanks for all the info - OP

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Thank you for your input about the dairy, nightshade vegetables and what to cut out. Following your suggestions starting today.

I am not one to go to the doctor for just any little pain. I'm a firm believer that our bodies can repair themselves given the right nutrients/foods. That's why a few weeks ago I started keeping a food diary. As an MT I often hear the doctor suggest that to patients. It is helping me to understand which food groups are giving me problems. I didn't know that about fermented dairy like the greek yogurt. I'm so happy that doesn't bother me because its one of my favorite foods.

For the posters who replied about blood work, yes I know that is important and when my budget will allow I will do. I have to and must work with my diet first. I'm not losing a lot of fluids (I read that here). I don't know why people think I'm losing fluids. I didn't say I threw up (just that I felt like I was going to after the burger). The foods that give me diarrhea I stay away from, but I do get heartburn and upset stomach with most of the foods I normally eat. If I was throwing up a lot, having excessive diarrhea or so lethargic I could not function, yes I would bit the bullet and go to the urgent care or doctor or someone, but since none of that is happening I don't feel I need to go. When I'm better financially I will have a complete checkup. For now I have to modify my diet and eat better.

I agree with you - needs to be checked out - wheres_my_job

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I think I read somewhere a symptom of ovarian cancer is having digestive problems - abdominal bloating, belching, early satiety.

Not meaning to be scary, BUT - this kind of thing NEEDS TO be checked out by a professional. I think Obamacare kicks in in January - but in the meantime, try to find a local, sliding-scale or free clinic to get started.

You really should see a doctor/nurse practitioner - wheres_my_job

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I'm about the same age as you, haven't noticed any of the food problems you are having. I'm just in the midst of one of those super-peri-menopausal periods - what the??? - first I couldn't believe I was even HAVING a period, THEN I couldn't believe the amount of blood.

I thought maybe I would be too wiped out from this super-period to do anything, BUT today I went for my nice long walk, it was great! The wind, the leaves scurrying everywhere, the grey clouds, not too cold, a perfect November walk.

Went and got my pap smear and exam about a month ago, everything was fine, then next month I have to get mammogram.

NO, 53 is not supposed to feel like you're 83. I was really wiped out the last week or so, but I think it was just "perimenopausal PMS" - can't believe it. Might have to take some iron pills.

One reason I feel better physically - getting enough sleep, trying to stick to more of a morning schedule. Maybe when you get in your 50s being a night owl is too hard on your body. But getting up earlier seems to work wonders for me.

Your food symptoms seem like something you need to get checked out. I have a doctor near me I can see for $45 a pop - not cheap exactly, but if you find something like that around you, you could get seen by a health care provider about your symptoms. Good luck.

Just a thought ... - sm

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Isn't heavy bleeding -- especially post-menopausal -- like that a sign of endometrial cancer? Perhaps you should go back and get checked for that? I knw you just went, but pap smears can't diagnose that. Did they do a transvaginal ultrasound and endometrial biopsy? If not, they didn't do enough. Your false sense of security could come back to haunt you.

I'm not postmenopausal - wheres_my_job

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nm

FYI, info onendometrial cancer - wheres_my_job

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This isn't my situation, also I have another appt in December, so I'm good:

"Any of the following symptoms should be reported immediately to the doctor:

Bleeding or spotting after intercourse or douching

Bleeding lasting longer than 7 days

Periods that occur every 21 days or sooner

Bleeding or spotting after 1 year or more of no bleeding after menopause"

Outlook (Prognosis)

Endometrial cancer is usually diagnosed at an early stage. The 1-year survival rate is about 92%.

The 5-year survival rate for endometrial cancer that has not spread is 95%.

If the cancer has spread to distant organs, the 5-year survival rate drops to 23%.

I felt - like

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and it got worse with pain. Mine was my gallbladder.

Please - see msg

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...do not treat yourself with a fad diet. A food adjustment may improve your symptoms, but it's not diagnostic of the problem. I'm about ready to scream with people using the Paleo diet and deciding it cures diseases.

You need to see a health professional of some sort (not a nutritionist or health-food nut). Even a nurse practitioner, a physican assistant. I would even make a trip to the ER while you're in full symptoms. They'll work out a payment plan, and will likely do full diagnostic testing right then and there.

Something is not right. You should not be getting that sick with almost everythiing you ingest.

Paleo is not a FAD diet - it's whole food that is not processed

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How is eating whole food with a concentration on meat and veg a fad diet?

A health professional will make her go through an upper endoscopy and a colonoscopy, find nothing wrong and tell her to take omeprazole pantoprazole and/or other drugs so to manage the symptoms but they will never find the underlying cause because, like you, they don't believe that the food that you eat can actually be a factor in how you feel. go figure.

I agree. One of the reasons I'm tired of being an MT - is the amount of drugs

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prescribed to patients; they manage diseases basically. I am for the whole foods diet. It certainly will give your body and immune system the raw materials to heal itself.

We all believe food is a factor in how we feel! - wheres_my_job

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Good grief, of course processed foods, fats, sugar, caffeine, animal protein, etc, affect how we feel!!!

We are MTs on this board, we've been transcribing this stuff in some cases for decades. Symptoms like hers need to be checked out. Big deal, they prescribe omeprazole, she doesn't have to take it. Digestive problems can be a subtle sign of OVARIAN CANCER. Needs to be checked out ASAP!

Well... - sm

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Whether you see a doctor or not, no harm will come of eating a better diet. It is not necessary to go "paleo," but you might try gluten-free. It is very simple ... fresh vegetables & fruit, rice. You can add meat and dairy in later.

What you describe is where I was 5 years ago. I can go back to that state ... not exaggerating ... by consuming half of a donut or even a tablespoon of creamy Italian dressing or a little ice cream (yup, except organic). A chicken nugget or a slice of lunchmeat (especially chicken or turkey) will do it (except Boar's Head). I won't even describe what happens after something like one of those muffins you get in the bakery section of Sam's or Costco or the grocery store.

This is not a "fad diet." It is simply the avoidance of commercially processed ingestibles in favor of natural foods. There is a great deal of evidence to suggest that the overabundance of wheat gluten in our food supply is not good.

You might have read that the FDA has now labelled trans-fats as not generally safe. I think in another 10, the same will be true of the high-yield wheat strains developed since 1950, including their use as additives and extenders in everything from dairy products to frozen meals, and nutrition drinks.

You do sound as though you have some gallbladder going on, but a better diet may help that.

If anyone reading this has a personal objection to a better diet, perhaps you can keep it to yourself. There is really no reason to become agitated about this one. It is just a recommendation to avoid what is basically junk food and highly processed foods. If you thrive on them, that's great. Others don't, but no harm will come to YOU if they don't eat them.

No objection to a better diet - but...

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...to tell someone who is puking and having diarrhea to NOT seek medical attention is neglectful.

To the OP: I would go easy on fatty foods and processed foods for the time being. And for sure no alcohol. I hope you get some sort of a medical work-up.

These people telling you not to get checked are in essence telling you that if there is a medical problem (stones, cancer, serious gastritis), to forget all that, that a diet will cure you.

The amount of fluids you are losing is dangerous and can cause some metabolic problems and throw off your body's chemistry. Try to eliminate those foods you know to be causing a problem.

She did not say - sm

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She didn't say she had vomiting...just described nausea. If the diarrhea stops with a dietary change, then it isn't a problem, is it?

She cannot afford a complete workup for this. Endoscopies, scans, and several different specialists will be in the thousands. Nothing wrong with seeing if a little dietary discretion improves things.

One could also say that you are neglectful not to offer to pay for the medical care you are recommending she have first.

Nobody told her NOT to get checked -- you read that into this on your own.

Here's what she said - wheres_my_job

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"I made homemade hamburgers last week and I was sick all night long, falling asleep on our couch clinging to my garbage pail ready to throw up."

Nobody's objecting to a better diet - wheres_my_job

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we're objecting to her not getting her symptoms checked out, as they could be a sign of something serious. Are you saying you can diagnosis her over the Internet, because you yourself personally feel better by eating better? That's practicing medicine without a license.

You going to give her the money to - pay for this?

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Get a grip on the hysteroid fear-mongering, please. Raising the specter of ovarian cancer was just hateful. It is possible to show compassion even if common sense escapes us.

She could have any number of terrifying things, but probably does not, and even if she does, little can be done about them. Even if she could find a doctor who would treat her without insurance.

As for the vision problems, she is getting presbyopia. The rest of it is likely to be related to blood sugar fluctuations. Before you begin shrieking about diabetes, the blood sugar will get better with her new eating habits.

Yes, that is what will happen. People who do this typically lose about 30 pounds without trying, report that their gaseous, bloatified IBS and belchificacious GERD vanish, along with their migraines, rhinitis, sinus issues, dry skin, itching, creepily flaking rashes, joint aching and swelling, night hunger, and an assortment of other things, including some asthma symptoms. Along with that, borderline diabetes often corrects itself, type 2 often does, lipids get better, and other lab work improves. (My doctor was frankly shocked and told me that whatever I did, I should keep doing it because it was astonishing.) I also lost some annoying twitches and so much edema from my face that people no longer recognize me. I am no longer the poster child for Narcoleptics NonAnonymous.

Along with that, I have been told that I am calmer, seem happier, have superb focus and attention, and am now the very soul of niceness and fellow-feeling.

I recommend you give it a try.

Relax........................................... - wheres_my_job

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"Get a grip on the hysteroid fear-mongering, please. Raising the specter of ovarian cancer was just hateful. It is possible to show compassion even if common sense escapes us."

No, it's not hateful at all. Ovarian cancer has vague symptoms. Get it checked out. Title XV is a federal program that's free....most ovarian cancer is discovered LATE, which accounts a lot for it's FATALITY. So why not go ahead and get checked out...rather than delay, for the sake of some diet?

Let us consider Steve Jobs and his pancreatic cancer diagnosis - and he thought he'd just power through it with diet and whatnot. Oops, nope, WRONG.

Let me repeat, Title XV is FREE, mammogram and pap smear and bimanual exam.

Umm............. - sm

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You seem to have the impression that all cancers are curable if they are caught early and that detection is just a matter of getting it "checked out." That is not the case, unfortunately. Cancers vary in ease of diagnosis and lethality. Pap smears are easy to do and cervical cancer is easily avoided. Ovarian cancer is difficult to diagnose, as is pancreatic, and both are pretty much fatal no matter what.

You definitely have the wrong impression - wheres_my_job

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I don't think all cancers are curable - MT and all that.

Steve Job's pancreatic cancer WAS apparently curable, OR he would have lived longer, possibly much longer, but he delayed treatment, surgery, wanted to try and do it New Age holistically. Fail.

One of the reasons survival rates for ovarian cancer are so low, is because it's usually only diagnosed at a late stage. Earlier detection = higher survival rates.

You are an MT, right? You should know this stuff.

That's right - ---

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WMJ tends to think free government stuff will save every one.

"Free government stuff" - taxpayers all pay - wheres_my_job

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Because we pay, we're entitled.

Getting older question - Old Pro

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Some time ago I made the switch to all-organic fruits and veggies, and the meat I eat is free-range, grass-fed, no hormones or preservatives. You would not believe the difference in how I feel. When people say "But that is expensive," I say, "Well, you can either pay your money to Whole Foods or to your doctor. Your choice." Truly, processed foods were not good for me! I'd rather pay a little more for organic foods and stay out of the doctor's office.

Exactly so. Even if grass fed and organic is not in - the budget, get rid of processed food

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The OP said she doesn't have the money to see a doctor and go through lots of expensive tests.

Fair enough. If I thought something was really wrong, I'd encourage her to go, but really. The list that she gave us as to what she eats - no offense, OP but you eat crap.

Even those homemade hamburgers that had you barfing - what did you have with them?

Do as some of the others and Old Pro have said - get rid of the processed food. Any and all of it. Get rid of wheat at a very minimum and all grain if you can handle it. Go organic and grass fed if you can afford it. If not, get what your budget allows. Give it a month. If your symptoms don't go away and you don't feel like a million bucks, then by all means go to the doctor. I don't think you'll need to, though.

Got some years on you and although certain foods - now I still love, they do not love me

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I absolutely no way feel my age, 70, more 71 than 70 actually. I love Grape-Nut cereal, no longer can I eat, strong reaction with that including burping, belching. I have stopped with white rice (can eat brown and do), do not drink white milk now, not that I don't love but hubs says not that good for you. We eat some organic but that is not what I eat all the time. I have a few health issues, like hypothyroid, HBP but in no way am I standing by the wayside missing out on things. Love to travel as much as I can, do animal rescuing and wish I had as many years in front of me as are behind. My 30 year younger daughter tells me I have too much energy for her to keep up. She said our next trip coming up would have to see the itinerary before signing up. As far as seeing doctors, I was going to a doctor who for whatever reason kept asking me all the time if I were depressed, over and over. I told him did not have time, too much to do but he kept on. I changed doctors.

To Doctor Nasayers - see msg please

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Did anyone also notice that the OPs note mentioned vision problems?

Good grief. She needs to see a medical professional.

To the OP, go ahead and make some dietary changes. I am 58, and have noticed I cannot go to the all-you-can eat buffets and pile on the food. I've noticed that I do better with smaller portions of food. However, nausea and diarrhea and chronic heartburn are NOT a part of normal life.

I would recommend eating healthier for sure, but something isn't right---GI problems, vision problems, malaise......

Thank you everyone for your responses - 53yo going on 83

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Everyone's suggestions were great and I'm going to follow all of yours advices.

Going through cupboards today to get rid of all processed foods, anything with wheat.

Going to look up gluten-free diet and ways to improve my gallbladder (which I have a feeling it may be).

I never did "get" sick from the hamburgers, but it felt like it. I attribute that to a lot of grease and therefore am thinking gallbladder.

I have to do the dietary changes first. The sleep thing I will try and work on, but I have a job/schedule, so I don't get much choice on that, however, last night I slept from 8:30 to 8:00 this morning and I feel so much better, so whenever work is low I try and catch up on rest.

As for the doctor, NP or whatever I just can't do that at this moment. When our situation changes and I can afford it I will go for a workup. I did have a Pap smear about 3 years ago and that was good, but like I say that has to wait until our financial situation changes, then I will definitely go. First before that I will see the eye doctor about new glasses.

I just didn't know if as you get older if other people have noticed their diet needs change as they are going into menopause, along with vision. I also didn't mention that I'm starting to get age spots on my arms and I'm bruising easier, so figured it was all a part of getting older. Just wanted to see what other people would suggest.

Again, thanks to all. I understand the importance of going to a doctor and I will, just not at this moment, so need to do all I can with improving my diet.

And to the poster who wrote no offense, but what I eat is garbage, you are absolutely correct. No offense taken and I don't mind people just being blunt with me. You're right on the garbage and these heartburn and stomach issues are getting me to re-think what I eat. We have a wonderful grocery store that most of their produce is locally and organically grown. One thing I forgot to mention I make a lot is a pot of turkey, beans & tomatoes. It's local farm raised turkey breast, I saute it with seasoning and add a can of white beans and a can of chopped tomatoes. It's cheap, its easy/fast to make and it doesn't bother my stomach. That is the only meat we really eat except maybe once every other month we will get some hamburger and I will make homemade hamburgers, but that's not that often. I don't really eat meat other than that, except chicken soup.

Thanks again every. What I'm taking from your posts is that, no this is not a normal part of growing older, so it's diet changes for me first, then a doctor down the road.

Title IV - you would probably qualify for FREE mammogram/pelvic exam - wheres_my_job

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It's free for certain income - why not just check it out? You don't have to be in dire poverty to qualify. It's a federal program so it doesn't matter where you live.

gallbladder issues - got the tee shirt

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I just wanted to make you aware of something. I had been having gallbladder symptoms for years, but did not think it was gallbladder issues because I had a full GI workup and my gallbladder checked out fine. I moved from one part of the country where I had been eating a healthy diet back to the area where I had been raised and started enjoying southern food again (lots of fatty foods). Within just a few years, I had to have my gallbladder removed. My doctor told me that he sees a lot of patients who change their diet (from low fat to suddenly high fat, or the other way around), and it causes the gallbladder to become dysfunctional and they have to have it taken out.

I'm just pointing out that while I would encourage you to consume a healthier diet, don't be surprised if doing so doesn't trigger or heighten problems with your gallbladder.

Born, reared, lived southern all my life and just - do not understand why people

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seem to think all southern food is fatty, otherwise not any good? We do not use lard or grease, might have had fried chicken or pork chops 2 or 3 times in the past 14 years in my home but we use olive oil for cooking, no flouring and the like. My husband is the cook, raised in south Georgia, likes good healthy foods, salads, stir fried, baked and always reads the labels on food, does not want to over sugar things, we use very little salt, use herbs and spices instead. I am amazed that people, not just you, but others associate southern food with fatty foods. Oh, we have our collard greens but those are cooked with olive oil and smoked turkey. A person can eat well no matter where they were born or live.

I absolutely agree, however - got the tee shirt

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when I lived in the northeast, I was surrounded by deli and sub shops, so I ate a lot healthier than when I moved back south and was surrounded by bar-b-que joints that I decided to indulge in because I missed them. I never, ever blamed the south for food choices I made. I was simply making a point. In the northeast, I was also surrounded by Italian eateries, but I did not indulge in them the way I allowed myself to do when I moved back south.

Need help with that chip on your shoulder? See a doctor.

a p.s. thought - got the tee shirt

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It is a lot easier to maintain a healthy lifestyle when you the majority of your motility is walking rather than driving. If I walk four blocks round trip for a sub sandwich, I burn a lot more calories and maintain a healthy lifestyle than when I have to drive 20 minutes to go anywhere when I live in a rural area. I was also very close to the Appalachian Trail where I hiked every week. You can eat healthy food in the south, but it is a fact that people living in the south get much less exercise than those living in the northeast. I bet after eating all your healthy meals your husband makes, you sit in your chair to digest and do not get regular exercise. There is little elevation change in the deep south that would effect the same workout as in a mountainous region.

Again, I hear gallbladder attacks are very - very painful, how did you get yours?

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I guess with all that exercising you did it kept you for any and all diseases, syndromes, etc., etc. I feel like people who talk down about a certain region maybe should not live there? You have no idea where you live and if you did you would know I live around mountains. Again, I will consider the source as my mother used to tell me.

deep south meaning - got the tee shirt

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means way south, not near mountains. If you live near a mountainous region, you may live in the south, but not in the deep south, which is the region I was referring to. Some people will argue with a stick, though. I noticed you attacked me rather than defending your lack of exercise - that is called deflection. And if you are eating greens, I am willing to bet you are not in your 20s, 30s or even 40s or early 50s, and that you did not start out eating them with turkey and olive oil. Having greens with turkey rather than lots of pork fat would be something new in your life, not something you grew up with IF you were from the deep south.

You just lost your bet on the greens. - How much do I win now?

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I said collards and I never ate those until I was in my 40s actually. Where I am from originally, south, also, I never remembered seeing nor buying them in the store so no way could I have eaten with them pork fat as you put it.

are collards something other than green? - just an observer - NM

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I specifically said collards - Losing bet

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in the first post.

sigh - as in collard greens - quit arguing already - nm

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No arguing, stating a fact and that is - different. - nm

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fact - Wikipedia - collard greens - just the facts

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Collard greens is the American English term for various loose-leafed cultivars of Brassica oleracea, part of the Acephala Group which also contains cabbage and broccoli. The plants are grown for their large, dark-colored, edible leaves and as a garden ornamental, mainly in Brazil, Portugal, the southern United States, many parts of Africa, Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina, southern Croatia, northern Spain and in India. They are classified in the same cultivar group as kale and spring greens, to which they are genetically similar. The name "collard" is a corrupted form of the word "colewort" (cabbage plant).

The plant is also called couve in Brazil and in Portugal, couve galega or couve portuguesa (among several other names) in Cape Verde, berza in Spanish-speaking countries, raÅ¡tika in Bosnia and Herzegovina and Croatia and raÅ¡tan in Montenegro and Serbia. In Kashmir, it is called haak. In Kenya it is more commonly known by its Swahili name, sukuma wiki, and is often confused with kales. In New Zealand, it is called Dalmatian Cabbage.[1]

Collard greens are a staple vegetable of Southern U.S. cuisine. They are often prepared with other similar green leaf vegetables, such as kale, turnip greens, spinach, and mustard greens in "mixed greens".[10] They are generally eaten year-round in the South. Typical seasonings when cooking collards can consist of smoked and salted meats (ham hocks, smoked turkey drumsticks, pork neckbones, fatback or other fatty meat), diced onions, vinegar, salt, and black, white, or crushed red pepper, and some cooks add a small amount of sugar. Traditionally, collards are eaten on New Year's Day,[11] along with black-eyed peas or field peas and cornbread, to ensure wealth in the coming year,[12][13] as the leaves resemble folding money.[14][15] Cornbread is used to soak up the "pot liquor", a nutrient-rich collard broth. Collard greens may also be thinly sliced and fermented to make collard kraut, which is often cooked with flat dumplings.

stick - meet rock. Knock yourself out.

FACT: Not talking all greens, collards only. - Do not need to be schooled

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This is my statement about COLLARDS: "Oh, we have our collard greens but those are cooked with olive oil and smoked turkey." The poster came back with sure I did not eat them when younger with olive oil and smoked turkey. First of all did not even have them growing up at all. We ate turnip greens. I also did not have turnip greens cooked with lard or fat back. I am from an Italian family and I had greens (as in turnip this time) with garlic, organo and yes, cooked with olive oil. Just because you were born and raised in a certain corner of the earth does not mean your family origially from the same region. So again what I stated is true.

oh, so that is who you were talking like you knew - something about southern food

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see link

Nope, this was not me. Think talked about Polenta - and I have never had, mixed up??

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might have spelled polenta wrong but you have your posters mixed up. Back to the drawing board.

Seriously, you are the one who seems to blame - the south for your problem

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Your answer was just stupid. You were the one "who moved from where you had been having a healthy diet and started enjoying southern food again (fatty)", your words and then because of that YOU had to have YOUR gallbladder removed and I have a chip because of what you stated? Alright, think I will accept that chip but guess what, still have my normal gallbladder, not filled with the "fatty foods" that others seem to want to gorge on. I hear a gallbladder attack is very painful but then others would know, not me.

Getting older - Wonderng

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What you describe is not normal and could be caused by many problems. Go see the doc and ask for testing for H. pylori, parasites, etc. I had H. pylori and it caused some of the symptoms you have, but not the vomiting. Get a doctor who will listen to you. Gallbladder, liver, etc. can cause nausea and vomiting too. Feel better. God Bless!

Let us narrow this down - see msg

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GI upset (nausea, diarrhea), vision symptoms, malaise, easy bruising, skin spots...her list keeps growing and you all are talking about removing gluten from her diet. Nice going.

Why should she see a doctor? Hm, imagine that.

Anyway, it sounds like the poster has made up her mind not to go to a doctor, so there's nothing we can do. My conscience is clear that I recommended a doctor over just making a dietary change.

Her Biliary System - Could be out of whack...

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I agree--it's hard to know if it's strictly stomach, OB, her biliary system, or a combination of 2 or all of those.

The vision thing is odd and who knows how that relates. She said it has completely changed---not gotten worse than it used to be, just opposite far-sighted/near-sighted than it used to be.

Well, I think she's foolish to not somehow get this checked by a medical professional. Sad. I hope she doesn't have any small children she is responsible for. Or anyone else who might be dependent on her. Or anyone who loves her. She could be hurting them, too.

Suggestion - see msg pls

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If you choose to see a doc at some point (highly recommended), do it before any of this new healthcare crud kicks in. We'll all be in a mess then. At least right now, we have a choice of docs, and some of those docs are still in the doc field. Many, many are leaving.

Socialized medicine means no choices. The government gets to choose if your case is serious enough. You can stand in long lines. Ask any Canadian how they feel about their socialized medicine.

diet - Ari

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I am the youngest of 5 - and I am 55 - we have all gone through this it is awful. Holiday dinners are pathetic, but the one thing we all agree on is to follow the guidelines for GERD and take a probiotic every day. It takes about 6 weeks to notice a difference but eventually you do. Cinnamon gum and lemonade really help with that nausea that makes you want to vomit.

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