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Republicans are saving MT!

Posted: Jul 13, 2017

Isn't it wonderful that they are systematically going through the states that increased minimum wage so that the MT companies can continue to employ MTs in those states for slave wages. We are so lucky to have the Republicans at the helm! What an honor to do this job that used to pay $40,000-$50,000 a year, now for $8 an hour. Woo-hoo!

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Local taxes, utilities, rent, necessities have all gone up - but wages go down.

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I read some statistics on how much Wal-Mart is being subsidized by the government because their workers do not receive a living wage. Of course, many MTs make less than Wal-Mart workers.

Race to the bottom. Republicans are for the rich--always have been.

Should have know this is from Salon. In other news, - New York restaurants axed 500 jobs

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because of minimum wage. Many fast food places are going to robots.

There's always a ying and a yang.

Liberals believe that the minimum wage can be set at any level without regard to the value of the work being performed.

They believe this because they believe that wealth is created by a government printing press, not by work or industry or other human activity.

Our state had a huge minimum wage hike and we are - seeing the start of the same thing.

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The real killer of the minimum wage hits unskilled labor hard because some people and job functions are just not worth $15 per hour. Unions are tied to this too because they get raises based on minimum wage.

One of our family members is a teacher and now the dish washer in the school cafeteria makes as much (or even more since the dishwashers get overtime pay and other benefits) as some of the entry level teachers, which the teachers have a real hard time with.

It's a real morale killer to see unskilled, illiterate workers with no serious job responsibility to suddenly make nearly the same or even more than you do.

Some of the teachers are actually considering applying for the dish washer job because it good pay with none of the stress and responsibility of the teaching positions.

With higher minimum wages, unskilled workers get frozen out of the job market because entry level jobs either get eliminated , filled with more highly skilled workers or replaced with automation.

The jobs available for unskilled workers in the high minimum wage world become dead end jobs where workers are pushed hard to provide enough output to justify their pay..

Once our state increased the minimum wage, they raised taxes - in other areas like the mismanaged

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high gas tax that the Democrats used on their pet projects to get reelected, the dishonestly applied property taxes, sales tax, and the amount of withholding taxes they are going to demand.

Many businesses just move out of these states to avoid it.

Pet projects like bridge inspections and sanitary sewers? - Gyro Gearloose

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3rd world countries have unsafe bridges and sewage in their potable water. That does seem what the Republicans seem to desire.

Last year a friend was hired to meet a well-known entertainer at our local airport and drive her to her event venue. This involved driving her through our Democratic city, across the border into our neighboring state. Her group commented on the beauty of our area. When they crossed into the neighboring state, my driver friend said you could just feel the difference--he thinks they were taken aback at the obvious disparity that just crossing the border bridge made. Actually, it hard to believe that both are states of the US.

Pet projects like diverting funds from the gas tax to - Medicaid. That kind.

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Once I was in a heated debate with some MT Stars - nannycops and mentioned to them

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they most likely broke the law at least 100 times a day and just didn't know it. I pointed out that many of these stupid city, county, state and fed laws have absolutely nothing to do with safety or protecting someone else's rights, they just enrich the coffers and punish success.

Remember, "you didn't build that."

I failed to mention it is also another way (by selective Enforcement) to Punish Success (ie those with deep pockets).

Modern society likes feelings over facts. Like the - rhetoric when it comes to minimun wage.

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Arizona, California, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Oregon, Vermont and Washington now all have minimum wages of $10/hour or more. New York City’s will be $15 by the end of next year.

It scores big political points for politicians and it makes people "feel" good about themselves.

Let's look at the facts. Seattle passed a $15 minimum wage. A study by the University of Washington found that this law is hurting the very people it was meant to benefit. Seattle minimum-wage earners’ hours were cut back by an average of 9.5 hours a month, causing a net loss of $125 in monthly earnings.

This shouldn't be surprising. This is what always happens when you make something more expensive. People buy less of it. Increasing payroll costs is not a way to stimulate the economy.

Raising the price of a commodity, such as labor, causes a drop in demand.

People can pretend that money is free, that facts don’t matter.

More on the "study" --- not statistically - sound

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Typical of the conservative crowd. I am Certain they do not care if the study is based in scientific fact, particularly if it proves up their position...keep the money in their pocket and make sure the less fortunate do not get any of their money!

A few snippets:

There are glaring weakness in a new study claiming that increased pay floors hurt low-wage workers.

When the law was originally passed, opponents of minimum wage increases warned of devastating consequences, including restaurant closings, layoffs and other significant problems. The trouble was the evidence went the other way, and none of their forecasts have come to pass. With the predictions of disaster not having materialized, the new tract is a study with a questionable methodology that excludes almost half of Seattle’s minimum-wage workers.

A study released last month by the University of Washington on Seattle’s effort to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour has gotten a lot of attention. So what does the new study tell us?

Less than you might think.

Although the University of Washington study grabbed all of the headlines, a study on Seattle’s labor market released by Institute for Research on Labor and Employment at the University of California-Berkeley a few days before UofW quietly reached the exact opposite conclusion.

Several of you have asked for my perspectives on this; today’s column will give you an overview. One major caveat is that none of the new reports have been peer reviewed; the data isn’t public. Once released, people who are much better than I am at statistical analysis will provide a better assessment of the methodology and data set. As the Seattle Times observed, once that happens, we should expect “the findings will likely be modified and the headline-grabbing claims will likely be toned down.”

As a reminder, I have my own set of my biases. I have written that low pay has been gamed by corporate employers like Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and McDonald’s Corp., whose employees have to rely of various forms of tax-payer assistance to survive. I am, of course, against subsidizing the labor costs of private industry. If the cost of greasy hamburgers and cheap Chinese imports go up if that subsidy is withdrawn, so be it. I will always take market capitalism over crony capitalism. Thus, my pro-minimum wage biases are hereby revealed.

Perhaps most noteworthy is that this study is at odds with most of the research on minimum wages. Modest, gradual increases have not been shown to reduce employment jobs or hours in any significant way.

As Michael Hiltzik observed in the Los Angeles Times, the study’s findings “are out of line with almost all other studies of the minimum wage employment effect.” That doesn’t make them suspect, exactly, but it does warrant a close examination of the methodology to see whether the researchers missed or misinterpreted something.” As Carl Sagan observed with the acronym ECREE, “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”

So far, the evidence is going the other way. Not only is the data not public, so it hasn’t yet been peer reviewed, but what we do know about the study’s methodology has been criticized for its failings. The biggest is that it excludes businesses with more than one location. In other words, no McDonald’s or other fast-food restaurant chains were included. Nor was Wal-Mart, or any of the countless other well-known retail and restaurant chains.

He notes that the UofW report excludes “48 percent of Seattle’s low-paid workforce out of their study.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-07-10/the-overhyped-seattle-minimum-wage-disaster

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/jun/29/seattles-higher-minimum-wage-is-working-just-fine/

From the Berkeley study:
Our results show that wages in food services did increase—indicating the policy achieved its goal—and our estimates of the wage increases are in line with the lion’s share of results in previous credible minimum wage studies. Wages increased much less among full-service restaurants, indicating that employers made use of the tip credit component of the law. Employment in food service, however, was not affected, even among the limited-service restaurants, many of them franchisees, for whom the policy was most binding. These findings extend our knowledge of minimum wage effects to policies as high as $13

http://irle.berkeley.edu/seattles-minimum-wage-experience-2015-16/

My blue (Democratic) state is thriving - everywhere you look

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We have had an increased minimum wage for a few years now. There are "help wanted" signs all over. The fast food places are offering a dollar higher than minimum. My human resources friend says that our state is projected to run out of available workers next year. Salaries will be very competitive.

Too bad the red Republican states cannot get their acts together. No one wants to live in a dump.

My states has helped wanted signs, too, but we didnt - increase the minimum wage.

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Do you think maybe getting rid of govt regulations helped?

Which regulations did you get rid of? - Nm

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Our state has pro-growth policies after we adopted - economic reforms. So much red tape

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just to apply to start a business. Last year alone the Dept. of Labor implemented over 3000 plethora of rules on biz.

The small factory where my husband works has a wall by the time clock completely covered with the laminated posters issued by the state and federal governments with MANDATED rules.

When were those implemented. Please - Provide state and action of

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Reform.

For starters, in Indiana we are known as the biomedical - capital in the world. Regulations

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in Obamacare in the form of taxes on medical implants resulted in a reduction of full-time employees. Now that has been lifted and Zimmer/Biomet, etc. are hiring again, and I don't mean minimum wage jobs.

Well, I wonder how - much bonus the

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boss still took yearly while that was happening? That is the problem - the greed at the top does not get stopped, so they cut hours on workers!

Facts over feelings becomes "greed" which is - more feelings over facts.

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Many of these jobs are seasonal summer jobs - that high school students used to do, fast food

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places.

Available workers for fast food places? - Many illegals get paid under the

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table so I guess that could be true.

Then why are businesses in Illinois fleeing to red states - like Indiana? Higher minimum

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wage states generally are higher tax states too.

Yeah, generally speaking they are states with - Higher standard of living

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And better services all the way around.

Which state? - ?

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Your teachers are seriously underpaid - Sm

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City or county probably has wrong priorities. Our city (120,000) considers it an honor to be a part of the school system, thus is one of the lower paying school districts, unless you play the sdvanced degree merit game....probably 50,000 average after 5 years, but that is beyond master's degree. Now, thus FANTASTIC city has plenty of money for flowers, landscaping, crap...just don't want to pay teachers.

As to people being jealous that others are being paid enough to live....what kind of humans are they? They get their worth by being deemed "better" than someone else by A MONETARY REWARD??? I would say if their job is not satisfying at the rate of pay, they SHOULD find a new job.

When that is possible - of course

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that makes more sense, but some people have child care issues and stay in a job because it works for their schedule or cannot go to school for the same reason. I'm not saying that McDonald's employees should be paid $15.00 and hour like they are asking for, but I must say that since working MT and with all of the low pay and restrictions etc., I have much more sympathy. I doubt I end up even close to the minimum wage most weeks, but am having trouble finding anywhere that I can get even an interview for a different job. I have 30+ years of management and customer service on my resume, but still no calls. I am starting to think it is an age thing!

This is the result of raising the minimum wage which - was mean to be entry level.

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Businesses will just hire fewer people.

They have to pay higher rent, utilities, etc. too.

Many of those same individuals get all kinds of benefits - on top of their wages, including

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welfare, AICD, food stamp, etc.

This is all just optics anyway so a person get claims republicans don't care and they want to take away the minimum wage w/o ever having to deal with the consequences of what the wage hike does.

Raising the minimum wage lifts many people out...sm - VTMT

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of poverty and means taxpayers are no longer paying benefits to these people. That is a good thing. In Vermont we are now up to $10 an hour, next year $10.50, then tied to the cost of living. Not perfect but much better than the $7.25 federal minimum wage.

Minimum wage lifts people out of poverty? - Seriously?

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She said "RAISING" the minimum wage... - LMT

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which I agree with...it needs to be raised on a national level all across the board....take away congresses/senates/governors cake life and make them work for 7.25 and hour...BAM it would definitely be raised then.

Seattle - Minimum wage effect

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http://irle.berkeley.edu/seattles-minimum-wage-experience-2015-16/

I'm glad I have a basic understanding of Econ 101. - You are absolutely correct!

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We have also been prepping for several years, gardening, do own repairs, etc.

We hate having to be dependent on an employer (or gvot_ for everything, including good/bad, productive/nonproductive hospital accounts.

If you don't like your wages, go out there and do something else!

I can't believe people actually think the economy is growing - because of a higher minimum wage!

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The economy is growing because of less government regulations.

So far, government regulations have not changed and the...sm - VTMT

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economies in the states that have raised the minimum wage above the federal minimum of $7.25 an hour are doing far better than the states who have not.

Many state regulations have changed and they attract - businesses. This provides good paying

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jobs, not entry level minimum wage jobs that go nowhere.

A friend of ours worked in an automotive paint store and - said one day someone from the state

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walked in and started going over the shelves of paint and supplies checking for violations. He said all the stuff that was stored in regular inventory was as it was supposed to be, but because it was the middle of the business day and they were in the process of mixing paint for customers, they had the flammable storage cabinet unlocked and had numerous cans of paint open for transfer of product from can to can. The guy just started checking off multiple $1000 violations for improper labeling and open containers and unsecured cabinets simply because of a temporary usage condition.

Another friend also ran an auto body shop for four years. The "great" state of Ohio came up with all kinds of new ways to give him a hard time, on top of the regulations. He had to "register" with the state (of course, that cost money). If you failed to register after a certain date, I believe it was something like a 5000 a day fine.

If you're starting a new business and have a good bit of over-head today, forget it. On top of higher minimum wage???

Needless to say, they closed the doors.

Which regulations did you get rid of? - Nm

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I pity people who believe that minimum wage as well as - social services allows a family to

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function better, because there will come a day when the government she has come to rely on will force her to make some appallingly difficult choices.

My daughter works with a private firm that administers funds for Washington State’s DSHS. Her role is to assist people who receive a stipend through one government program to care for their handicapped child or elderly parent. She had to tell parent providers that their child is a budget line item and that the state determines how many hours of care he or she requires and will pay for. Anything beyond that is on the parent. The state – along with SEIU (union that “represents” the caregivers) – implemented a series of pay increases for providers. she had a discussion with a gentleman about not wanting this, his reason, he was also receiving a huge housing subsidy and would lose that if his pay went up.

The program that was perceived initially to be a great blessing to caregivers has become a noose around their necks. And that’s the reality of any government program – you abdicate your freedom and self-determination for the illusion of security.

Wealth certainly is not created by being a skilled MT - No value

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Jobs have been replaced by whatever is cheapest. I guess we should all volunteer to work for free.

Robots have been taking our jobs for a long - time.

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Employers don't care what the minimum wage is, if they can get rid of paying people they will do it.

Republicans think this would not be happening if we worked for peanuts and don't realize it doesn't matter; they will still use robots. They want to keep more money for their CEOs and not have to pay you.

You are welcome to start your own business if you - don't like your pay. Feel free.

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Have you ever had to make payroll when your vendors haven't paid you? Have you ever had to get someone to do a job that another worker didn't do because he/she didn't care or call in?

I have had my own business. I like my pay - and it is way more than

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minimum wage. Yes on your other questions too. I actually did work while being a boss. I also paid my employees fairly. I lost my cleaning business years ago because the companies I cleaned for went overseas.

I have a job now that pays well and I'm not complaining. Don't know where you got any of that out of my post about robots but I answered your questions.

You paid them more than minimum wage, that's great. - But you chose to, not by govt

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regulations.

I did own my own business and worked as an MT at the same time. sm - VTMT

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I also lived in the back room for a few years.

It is the only reason I can retire and afford to travel. When MT wages and benefits went down the tubes I left.

By raising minimum wage, the cost of things go up - for business to pay for it and people

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will buy less of it because of the increased cost.

Econ 101.

All employers would like to cut wages, MT is unique - sm

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Every employer in the world would love to pay workers less money. MT is unique because they actually let them get away with it and then kept working at minimum wage.

My personal opinion is that most MTs don't really make minimum wage consistently. They just like to get on boards like this one and complain bitterly on the few occasions they do end up dropping to minimum wage.

I meant to give you a like, but I hit dislike. - Agree with your assessment.

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No worries, but that does mess up my internal score keeping... - LOL sm

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I actually use dislikes to keep track of how "normal" I am in relation to most posters on this site.

I'm most happy if I get 3 or 4 likes and 10-20 dislikes. That's my personal sweet spot. :)

I don't know what I'd do if I ever ended up with a majority of likes. I'd definitely have to take some time and reflect on my life course. Let's just hope THAT never happens! LOL!

I hear ya. I wear my dislikes as a badge of honor. - I didn't even mess with it until

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recently.

That's kind of what I told my son. He's in school and - is mocked because of his values.

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I told him it's harder to be a conservative, especially a Christian, nowadays. It's easy to be liberal. They just make decisions on feelings and intentions. The outcome doesn't matter.

My sons and grandsons have great values also, they are just not... - VTMT

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tied to any political party or religion. They are respected everywhere they go because they have been taught kindness, love, and human decency since the day they were born. I have two sons and six grandsons (ages 7-21) and am proud of every single one of them. My one granddaughter (23) has total control. Ha ha.

Walter Williams has a great assessment of minimum - wage.

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