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Why do conservatives hate America so?


Posted: Oct 14, 2009

Obama's High Bar

By Eugene Robinson
Tuesday, October 13, 2009 WaPo

Somebody explain this to me: The president of the United States wins the Nobel Peace Prize and Rush Limbaugh joins with the Taliban in bitterly denouncing the award? Glenn Beck has a conniption fit and demands that the president not accept what may be the world's most prestigious honor? The Republican National Committee issues a statement sarcastically mocking our nation's leader -- elected, you will recall, by a healthy majority -- as unworthy of such recognition?

Why, oh why, do conservatives hate America so?

Okay, I know, it's just some conservatives who've been exhibiting what they, in a different context, surely would describe as "Hanoi Jane" behavior. Others who haven't taken leave of their political senses -- and are familiar with the concept of manners -- responded to President Obama's unexpected award with equanimity and even grace. Sen. John McCain, for example, offered his good-natured congratulations.

Some of Obama's most strident critics, however, just can't give it a rest. They use words like "farce" and "travesty," as if there were always universal agreement on the worthiness of the Nobel peace laureate. Does anyone remember the controversy over Henry Kissinger or Yasser Arafat or F.W. de Klerk?


The problem for the addlebrained Obama-rejectionists is that the president, as far as they are concerned, couldn't possibly do anything right, and thus is unworthy of any conceivable recognition. If Obama ended world hunger, they'd accuse him of promoting obesity. If he solved global warming, they'd complain it was getting chilly. If he got Mahmoud Abbas and Binyamin Netanyahu to join him around the campfire in a chorus of "Kumbaya," the rejectionists would claim that his singing was out of tune.

Let the rejectionists fulminate and sputter until they wear their vocal cords out. Politically, they're only bashing themselves. As Republican leaders -- except RNC Chairman Michael Steele -- are beginning to realize, "I'm With the Taliban Against America" is not likely to be a winning slogan.

More interesting, but no less goofy, is the recommendation -- by otherwise sane commentators -- that Obama should decline the award. This is ridiculous.

If the award just represented the political views of a handful of left-leaning, self-satisfied Norwegian Eurocrats, as some critics have charged, then it wouldn't matter whether Obama had won it or not. But of course it means much more. The Nobel Peace Prize, irrespective of the idiosyncratic process that selects its winner, is universally recognized as a stamp of the world's approval. For an American president to reject such a token of approval would be absurdly counterproductive.

Obama has shifted U.S. foreign policy away from George W. Bush's cowboy ethos toward a multilateral approach. He envisions, and has begun to implement, a different kind of U.S. leadership that I believe is more likely to succeed in an interconnected, multipolar world. That this shift is being noticed and recognized is to Obama's credit -- and to our country's.

The peace prize comes as Obama is reviewing war strategy in Afghanistan. Some advocates for sending additional troops are complaining -- and some advocates of a pullout are hoping -- that the award may somehow limit the president's options. But the prize is nothing more than an acknowledgement of what Obama has been saying and doing thus far. He hardly needs to be reminded of his philosophy of international relations -- or that he once called Afghanistan a "war of necessity." Threading that needle is not made any easier or harder by the Norwegian Nobel Committee's decision.

What I really don't understand is the view that somehow there's a tremendous downside for Obama in the award. It raises expectations, these commentators say -- as if expectations of any American president, and especially this one, were not already sky-high. Obama has taken on the rescue of the U.S. financial system and the long-term restructuring of the economy. He has launched historic initiatives to revolutionize health care, energy policy and the way we educate our children. He said flatly during the campaign that he wants to be remembered as a transformational president.

The only reasonable response is McCain's: Congratulations. Nothing, not even the Nobel Peace Prize, can set the bar any higher for President Obama than he's already set it for himself.

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Some - NJ

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Let's hope that the reasonable conservatives start to raise their voices above the haters. The dems did it in the last election. It's time for the non-hating conservatives to step up to the plate.

NJ

We are speaking up. - Trigger Happy

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However, we are still be labeled as haters. It doesn't matter how civilized we try to be or how many peaceful protests we have, we are labeled as Obama haters and the WH ignores us and the liberal media calls us all bigots.

I still don't understand why it was always okay for liberals to protest and speak their minds but it is totally taboo for conservatives to do the same. Why the double standards? Freedom of speech is what liberals thrive on until it is the conservatives who want to practice the same thing. Now it is unpatriotic, racist, etc.

Not all conservatives being painted with the same brush - me

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Peaceful, civilized discourse is *not* what is being labeled as 'hate.'

You should be able to distinguish between what is being labeled as 'hate' and what is not.

And if you read below you would see that 'liberals' rejected the title of this article because we do *not* believe conservatives - even the ones spewing hate or hateful commentary' hate America.
That is funny because - Trigger Happy
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every time I voice my conservative views....whether it be on this board or with people in general who are liberals, I am instantly labeled a hater.

We got nailed for people standing up at meetings and asking questions and yet when the unions moved in to bully conservatives....that was okay.

We have tea parties where no one gets hurt and no property is destroyed and we are all a bunch of hillbilly hatemongering hicks who are racist and just hate the president because he is black and instead of the president actually listening to the people, he claimed he didn't even know they were going on.

When the liberals protested against Bush, they were called unpatriotic by the conservatives and there is that double standard there. Both sides are guilty of it.

I just find it very hard as a conservative to peacefully voice my opinion and my view points without being personally attacked and accused of being a bigot. I am far from a bigot.
If you don't deserve the label ignore it - me
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So much generalization already.
How can I ignore it when - Trigger Happy
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I have real concerns and I am being totally ignored because I'm labeled as a hater. When people ask a liberal a question, they get mocked. Obama himself mocked someone who asked him a question. We aren't being listened to at all by the WH. Instead we are all being labeled into one group and being totally pushed to the side. Wouldn't that frustrate you?

I care too much for my country to ignore that fact that many Americans are speaking out because they have lost their jobs, their homes, etc. and they think our government is spending too much and they are being totally ignored by the WH unless the WH is mocking them or making deregatory statements about them.

If you felt strongly about something and were being labeled and/or ignored, I have a feeling you would feel just as annoyed and frustrated as I do.
Hyperbole - NJ
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You use terms such as "totally ignored" "all being labeled" "totally pushed to the side" "calls us all bigots" "totally taboo" "every time" (underlining is mine). Statements like those cause backlash because you seem to be saying something extreme.


I think you might be a part of a group that is disparaged by the liberals, the Tea Party. Please do not think that because we strongly disagree with that group we don't think you may have some valid points during civil discussions. I know it's hard to be a minority, but don't let your anger get to you.


NJ

It's very easy for the other side to tell you - jm
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"Oh just ignore it, don't let it bother you", blah, blah, blah. But I guarantee you 100% if they were in your shoes they would be screaming, shouting, and kicking. But since it's their party/side and they want it to happen they try to dismiss you.

We are not haters. We are concerned citizens. We love our country so much we have to stand up for what is right and voice our opinions when so much is going wrong. The country is being divided by the parties. The country will never ever unite. It has gotten to the point where the democrats have control. They are going to do what they want no matter how wrong, illegal, or immoral it is. They claim to care about the people, but their actions show different.

Do not take the advice of "oh just let it go and don't give it another thought" attitude. If there is something wrong, because you love this country speak up. People who call you names are usually seeing the reflection of themselves. Funny how the liberals are calling conservatives haters, when in fact they are the haters of this country. Democrats will call you a racist for anything, when they are truly the racists by giving a pass to everything he says just because he is black.

Just get sick of it all and Pepto Bismol won't help.
Correction to my statement - jm
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Important correction - not all democrats. I did not mean to lump them all together. What I meant is the democrats who label conservatives haters, racists, etc. Again, not all democrats, just the verbally abusive ones.

I don't buy the premise - America is not what they hate - Me

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This is upsetting - it's EXACTLY what the right often accuses the left of - hating America.

NEITHER side hates 'America' when they act destructively!! They 'hate and/or fear' the opposition's positions or progress!

If this author wanted to make valid points, he should NOT have started out with a false premise.

Thank you... - Kendra

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Disagreeing with aqn award or political agenda is not "hate" for America. I believe that we all want what is best for America. We simply disagree on what that "best" is.

Exactly ! This article sort of proves a point I was making - Me

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It's exactly the type of divisive NONSENSE that keeps us apart with our dukes up - instead of talking to one another to share information and UNITE!

It the INFLAMERS were not being paid HIGH SALARIES to bring in the audiences to watch and/or listen to what they want to hear (and buy the junk on the commercials) people would not have an easy 'out' an easy way to get bad information.

At least not inflammatory commentary masquerading as fact.

I am going to write the author and ask him to rework the article. He had some valid points but either he or his editor blew it by the title.

author - Eugene Robinson - dusty

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He has won the Pulitzer prize in journalism, I tend to respect his opinion.  Of course the Pulitizer prize is probably a meaningless politically influenced award like all the others that reward democrats for exceptional merit.


 


  

Well he's wrong on the title - which he is likely not responsible for - me

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I gave him credit for the content of the article, but I see it's from the Washington Post, so that means it's very likely HE didn't caption (title) the article.

It's a clever way to change the overall meaning of what follows. I can't see the article from here but I suspect he doesn't actually use the title phrase in the article. I will check that now ;)
Nope it's the article, too. - Me
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So he's just wrong on this - which is a shame because it reduces credibility of the rest of the article.

Extremes - NJ

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Good point. You said they hate and/or fear the opposition's positions or progress. Still, when that hate is expressed in the ways it has been, hating everything that the opposition accomplishes even if it is good for the country, that leads people to make the connection that the opposition hates the country, would like to see bad happen to the country if it makes the one they hate look bad.


Rush has not been the only one to say it. He would like to see Obama fail. That is not patriotic, not by a long shot. It fact, it's hateful in the extreme, and proves Rush doesn't care for his country. 


Meanwhile, back in the real world, we know Rush does it for the money. I think he'd spout out whatever philosophy would get him the most listeners, and talk radio has a pretty specific audience.


 


NJ

No Rush fan here, but... - Kendra

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if you listen to what he says, he wants Obama to fail because he thinks that Obama's agenda is bad for our country. The man is a pompous a$$, but I don't think that he is unpatriotic. I hope Obama's health plan fails. There are many political issues on which I hope Obama will fail, but I am a VERY patriotic person. I love this country and really would not like to see it destroyed. Just like conservatives, liberals can take little snippets of speech out of context and change the entire meaning.
War, economics, agreeing with the Taliban - NJ
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Listen to Rush? The guy who would rather claim to side with the Taliban than give Obama credit for anything?

No thank you.

Snippets of Rush include misogyny, racism, lies, hypocrisy, and more. I will not support such a man in any way.

NJ
Precisely why I cannot support Barack Obama. - watcher
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Lies...hypocrisy...and more. I am not sure HE is a racist, but he certainly went to a racist church for 20 years. Why do you find fault with a radio host and not hold Obama accountable at all? I really do not understand that about liberals on this board...absolutely cannot admit/find fault with other liberals, no matter WHAT they do...Barney Franks and Chris Dodd...Charlie Rangel...

While conservatives are find fault where it lies...rather with Republicans, Independents OR Democrats.

Have really tried to understand it. Since no liberal on this board nor any I have asked personally has ever tried/been able to explain it so I am left with they fully recognize they are hypocrits and don't care, the agenda comes first. And nowhere in there can I see the burden they SAY they have for people and how they care about "equality."

???
Wishing for failure not progressive - me
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IMHO you are making a mistake if you believe that Rush want's Obama to fail only because he believes is AGENDA is 'bad for the country.'

It's a very insidious way of covering for his real message: He wants Obama to fail. PERIOD.

If it was JUST the 'agenda' he could say he doesn't want the current health care reform bill to pass.

Or, he could say 'we are on the wrong path' in Afghanistan and/or Iraq.

In other words, he could make civil, reasoned arguments why he is opposed to the current policies, AND substantiate his opinions - and even, dare we hope, offer reasoned options.

By constantly attacking Obama and/or the Democrats - and never giving credit (or so rarely as to not be worthwhile)it is very apparent what Rush's agenda is.

I despised the bu$h regime with a purple passion because of HIS agenda, but I did NOT wish for his failure; INSTEAD I wished and prayed for him to CHANGE his mindset and his destructive domestic and foreign policies.

I WISHED that he would see that he was hurting the land and the people he professed to love.

I did not wish for FAILURE.

When it became apparent he was never going to alter his destructive course, I did also WISH for 2008 to arrive as soon as possible.
You don't know Rush personally - sm
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nor can you sit there and tell us what he really feels. Only Rush and God know that.

For you to say that you prayed for Bush to change his mindset is just the same as saying you wanted his agenda to fail because you didn't want it. You thought it would hurt our country and you didn't want it. That is the same thing we are saying about Obama. We don't agree with his agenda and we don't want it. If Obama succeeds with his agenda, it is our opinion that our country will fail. So why in the world would we want him to succeed if that means our country will fail? I just don't see how you cannot understand that.

From where I'm sitting, I don't see the far left giving any credit to the right either. They are just as guilty of bashing anything and everything that they can. Both sides do this and yet many people on both sides get sucked into the rhetoric.

What is good for the country is - Trigger Happy

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something that is viewed differently by people. Just because we oppose something doesn't mean we do so because we hate America or the president. We do so because we don't feel like the current path we are taking is right and beneficial for our country....which is the same feeling liberals had under Bush.

I agree that there are extremists on the right but there are on the left too. You can't judge a whole group by the few nut jobs who take things way too far.

To say that Rush doesn't care for his country because he wants Obama to fail is absurd. Why would he want Obama's plans to succeed if he feels like they will lead the country in the wrong direction? Did you agree with Bush and going to Iraq? Did you want his attempt to invade Iraq to succeed? I highly doubt that you did. You wanted his attempt to go to Iraq to fail because you thought it would not benefit our country. Well....it is the same idea.

I want our country to succeed. I want our economy to thrive. I want people to live out the American dream. I just don't think the ideas and plans of President Obama will get us there....so I do want him to fail. If Obama succeeds, IMO, our country will fail and I don't want that.
Well said! nm - watcher
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nm

You mean like Michael Moore!! - nm

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title of article - dusty

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Possibly this title is mocking Sean Hannity's constant mantra during the period before the Bush re-election. He would often say "why do liberals hate america?" before presenting a story about a progressive person or cause. Liberal talk radio used the line often in their satires on Hannity.

You got it - NJ

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It didn't click at first, but you got it.

NJ

Maybe but I think he should have made that more clear - me

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Too many people could and will miss the connection - if that was his intent.

What I would like to know is.... - Trigger Happy

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Why are we being accused of hating America? We don't hate America. We love our country and that is why we are so testy right now. We don't like the direction our country is going. Did liberals hate America when Bush was in office? No...they just didn't agree with Bush. So what is the difference here or is this just another one of those double standards that I love so much.

If we didn't love America, we wouldn't be so upset by what is going on.

As for the Noble Peace Prize...did Obama deserve it and/or earn it....IMO...no he did not. However, he got it and I believe he donated the money to charity. To me that isn't a huge deal. There are much more important things to discuss and worry about and some conservatives do take things way too far but for people to say that conservatives hate America is just wrong.

As much protesting as liberals have done and some of the hateful things that have been said because they didn't agree with a conservative....I think it is truly unfair for them to even cast stones at the conservatives for doing something that liberbals have been doing for years. These double standards really need to stop.

Please read the thread more carefully - Me

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First of all no one on this board is responsible for the title of that article.

Secondly, more than one of us has stated that the article is based on a false premise: Conservatives do NOT hate America...

One poster pointed out that Mr. Robinson was using the title on purpose since Hannity is always saying "why do liberals hate America" but even if that's true, the article should have made clear they were just turning tables on the Hannity's out there.

Either way true conservatives do *not* hate America and honest people no matter what party know that!

There are ton of good people on the right though who are easily misled with inflammatory rhetoric and don't bother to get the facts before taking a position. That isn't hate either, but it's just as destructive.

Thanks for the clarification but I read - Trigger Happy

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the article fine the first time. I was making my statement in response to the article and not what others have posted under it. Am I not allowed to express my viewpoints when there are obviously those on the left who feel just like this author did and that conservatives hate America?

There are people on the left who listen to nothing but rhetoric as well. That isn't something that just happens on the right.

I appreciate it that some liberals feel this article and it's title are unfair to conservatives. I just don't understand why you feel I shouldn't have expressed my beliefs on the issue and apparently can't read.

Regardless of your opinion on this article and its title....why should that keep me from expressing my opinion?
You missed the point - me
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But that's okay.

You can choose to be offended at a label you don't feel you (other conservatives) deserve OR you can ignore it because you know it doesn't apply to you.

People call me all kinds of names but at the end of the day the ONLY opinion that matters is MINE.

In other words, the labels don't have WEIGHT unless you choose to attach weight to them.
And you obviously have missed my - Trigger Happy
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point....but that's okay too.

I don't care that people call me names because I know who and what I am. I know what I stand for and what I feel is right. However, I do have a problem when those names keep my voice from being heard. That is what you obviously cannot grasp. I'm not a hatemonger nor am I a racist. However, being labeled into that group automatically allows our government and the WH to ignore my opinion and concerns. That would frustrate you too and you know it.

Change right to left and I think you've got it!! - sm

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There are ton of good people on the left though who are easily misled with inflammatory rhetoric and don't bother to get the facts before taking a position. That isn't hate either, but it's just as destructive.

perpetuating the divide - cj

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You continue to perpetuate the divide with the statement that there are tons of good people on the right who are misled..... There are tons of people in general who are easily misled, right or left. There are extremists on both sides, right or left. Can we please stop with the divisive comments and work toward a middle ground. Both sides are guilty of what they accuse the other of. The double standard cuts two ways.
Just rephrasing what "me" wrote but that is okay when she says something like that!! - Gotcha - nm
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my post is in the wrong place! - cj
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Actually I did mean this in response to "me's" post. I just put it in the wrong spot instead of right under her post.

O only won because he was not George Bush!! - nm

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Hey that's a good enough reason for *this* patriot - Me

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Bush and his policies were HURTING My America! not to mention the world.

And yet that is how many - Trigger Happy

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conservatives feel about President Obama. I'm sure you expressed your concerns and disagreement when Bush was in office. Well....we are entitled to the same freedom when we have concerns and disagreements with Obama in office.

Or, why do people come on the board and ask generalized questions just to stir people up? NM - ncmt

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One of Washington's principal supporters of the Tea Party movement, former GOP Majority Leader Dick Armey's FreedomWorks, has been receiving death threats and profanity-laced phone calls as it gets involved in the fall elections.  The number and intensity have reached such heights that the organization is leaving its downtown location near the FBI and moving to a high-security building near the U.S. Capitol. "FreedomWorks and Dick Armey receive dozens of threatening and harassing ...

Conservatives Scott Walker Vs. Ted Cruz On OutsourcingMar 23, 2015
I can't figure out why Ted Cruz is the hot ticket, right now, over Scott Walker, considering they're so similar on their views - what does he have Scott Walker doesn't other than "hot-topic" ethnicity? One of the most overlooked issues on this board is outsourcing, but it's the one that affects us as MTs the most. So it may surprise some to learn where these 2 conservatives stood on this issue - at opposite ends. Scott Walker wants to stop outsourcing: http:/ ...

Moderation, Respect And Humility: How Conservatives And LiberalsDec 01, 2016
Ask my age and I'll tell you that I'm old enough to remember an age of relatively peaceful - and even constructive - coexistence among Americans, whether they self-identified as "conservative" or "liberal."  I say "relatively peaceful" because I don't mean to imply that people didn't have strong feelings about issues, or that there weren't passionate disagreements. But there wasn't the raw, nasty, unreasoning hatred that I see today. Ask my age, and I'l ...

New Documents Reveal Top IRS Official Targeted Conservatives.Nov 17, 2016
that it has obtained 1593 pages of new documents from the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), including notes from a 2011 interoffice meeting revealing a top IRS official admitted that Cincinnati office agents were targeting organizations requesting tax exempt status based on “guilt by association” and “party affiliation.” According to former IRS Director of the Office of Rulings and Agreements Holly Paz, “they think they know what the org is really doing, rather than looking at actual act ...