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Moderates (liberals and conservatives) need to reassert


Posted: Nov 10, 2016

I'm old enough to have lived during a period in which "liberal" and "conservative" weren't terms describing mutually exclusive political positions. They weren't polar opposites, and they weren't even necessarily adversarial.

We had social liberals who were fiscally conservative, and vice versa. The political spectrum from liberal to conservative was a Bell curve, with most somewhere in the middle, and relatively few out at the fringes on either far end. Those in the middle were "moderates", and whether they tended a bit liberal or a bit conservative, they could talk to one another, listen to one another, and often - although not always - find common ground or areas of compromise.

THE AMERICAN SYSTEM DEPENDS ON MODERATES WHO CAN WORK TOGETHER, AND THE ENEMIES OF AMERICA KNOW THAT BETTER THAN YOU DO.

In the past several decades, there have been globalist forces working to isolate, marginalize and eliminate the moderates. If you look at those who have lost their congressional seats over the last 15 years (or more), you'll discover a surprising preponderance of incumbents who were moderates, and this election was no exception.

Should we be amazed that "divide and conquer" would be a strategy of globalists who wish to emasculate and marginalize America?

My felllow Americans, ISIS, however dangerous, is not America's greatest enemy. The greatest threat to America is being waged from within, not from without.  Eliminate moderates, and you've effectively blown up the ability of people at different points on the political spectrum to work together for the good of the nation.

If you don't believe what's happening, just look at THIS FORUM.

 

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I don't know about "moderates." I prefer constitutionalists. - That's really all a conservative used to be.

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It might help to get rid of labels, follow the laws set up by the constitution, and debate on how to implement them.

We are 180 degrees from how this country was founded. A whole generation has been re-educated on anti-constitutional views, some downright communist. Just look at most colleges today. I don't think civics is taught anymore. Some people who vote don't even know how the country was set up and what kind of country we have.

It's not a democracy.

BTW, name a great moderate. I can't.

This is exactly the problem. No great moderates? You - must be joking.

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First, let me tell you that there is no such thing as a "constitutional" position. If there were, we'd have no need of a Supreme Court, and in any case there is nothing whatsoever that is synonymous between "conservative" and "constitutional" although some might think so merely because they begin with the same first syllable.

Second, let me commend to your educational process, among a million other examples, Everett Dirksen. While the wikipedia article on Dirksen is utterly deficient in its full facts about him, it should be enough to show you where you go off the rails.

Moderates who can come together and find common ground to advance the interests of this nation are absolutely essential to the American democracy.

Many don't realize it, but JFK and Reagan were both - fabulous moderates.

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Don't waste your breath on people who have no real knowledge of American history.
What is a moderate? Reagan was a conservative - and Kennedy was a traditional
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Democrat, which today would be considered ring wing.

Is this an attempt to change the meaning of words?
Reagan was a moderate conservative. Kennedy was a - moderate liberal.
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It was, for instance, "Reagan Democrats" who both got him elected and made the difference in Congress in advancing his agenda. (In fact, like Trump, Reagan was a Democrat for much of his political life, and a union leader.)

Kennedy was a liberal who appointed strong anti-Communist people to his cabinet, including his brother Robert.

You're the one who is playing with words, and causing me to wonder whether they teach history at all anymore.
Who started using word moderate? I've been voting since - 1976 and this is new to me.
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Do you mean willing to compromise? Is this redefined term now?
The word "moderate" is "new" to you? - ...and you vote?
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I'm trying to think what I would say if someone told me that the word "hello" was unfamiliar to them.

You can't follow political discourse for any period of time at all without encountering the term "moderate", which is pretty self-explanatory, so I think I'll just have to drop out of this discussion.

It would be easier to explain the binary numbering system to my goldfish.
Moderate means quasi liberal. It has no place to a - conservative. There's no need to be insulting
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I know what the left does to mild mannered centrist/moderate RINOs.

What does the moderate wing of a political party mean? Unprincipled. A Northeast liberal.
So, you're either a my-way-highway-con or you're a - RINO patsy?
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Let me say, first, that I am a dyed-in-the-wool conservative, and never been anything else.

...but, let me also say that in my 60-plus years on this planet, I've learned that conservatives don't have all the answers...or necessarily even the BEST answers...to the problems of society.

When it comes to politics, the word "moderate", on a functional, pratical level, can best be defined this way:

"An individual who wants to know what works, regardless of what the origin of the solution might be, what political label might be attached to it, or which party gets the credit for it."

If the term "moderate" still confuses you, goodbye.

In normal times this might work, but we are not living in normal - times. We are dealing with a
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Democrat party taken over by Marxists who fundamentally changed this country, so no, I do not want to compromise (moderate?) with them.

I want to have a future for my grandchildren.
You realize you're dealing with a troll, right? - Everyone knows what "moderate" means.
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These people are paid by Soros and others to come onto forums like this and disrupt any reasonable conversation with nonsense.

Even anyone who knows the common meaning of the word "moderate" would easily grasp the concepts you're talking about.
You don't sound very moderate in your criticism of me. - I voted for Trump, but I'm a conservative
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who voted for Cruz in the primaries. I know what moderate means but not as a political movement.

I can't think of any great moderates. Reagan was NOT a moderate. He went to the WH with an agenda all the while dealing with a Democrat Congress.

I think of RINOs like John McCain and Mitch McConnell, none of them great, weak, unprincipled.
Democrats voted for Reagan, not because he was a moderate - but because their own party was turning too
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far left.

The word liberal today does not have the same meaning as the word today.

The founders set up a Supreme Court precisely to - determine if a law was constitutional, but

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they didn't set up the number 9. FDR tried to pack the SC for his own agenda.

They knew the nature of men so set up a safeguard for that by giving us the three branches of govt.

Your post reminds me of a seminar caller Rush - gets. You start out sounding like

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you make sense, but then as I read your posts about moderates and no such thing as a constitutional position, I see clearly now.

I think moderate is a politically correct buzzword, - supposed to sound "rational"

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or middle of the road, but they to vote liberal.

I can't picture a moderate dealing with Iran. - nm

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nm

I don't see it happening until we turn back to God. - We are suffering the curses of that.

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I know many people don't believe that and that's okay. Something is wrong. I know people can feel it. It's spiritual.

Regardless of who is in office, we know that this country’s problems are beyond anything a man, government or political party can repair. The core problem really is what we are doing as a people that has brought about the downfall of our nation.

How do I come together with people who hate this country? - How do I come together with people who

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want to break its laws and they happen to be elected officials (see post at top)? How do I come together with people who think more of illegals than natural citizens?

These are not moderates. These people want to destroy you if you don't go along with their agenda.

If we had an honest media, they would be asking these simple questions.

We are just too divided. I don't mean to rain on your parade, I'm just being truthful.

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