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The tolerance thread/response/re Byrd/one person

Posted: Mar 19, 2013

It seems to have disappeared. I'm not going to inquire about why it's gone, but I did want to repost my reply regarding associating modern-day Democrats with Byrd and the fact that there was only one person caught making a statement on tape.

--Byrd was over 40 years ago. Surely we can't use Robert Byrd and other racist Southern Democrats circa pre-1960s as examples of who modern day Democrats identify with, no more than we could use Lincoln as a modern day Republican role model.

Re the tape of the racist at CPAC. There were several people in the room cheering and applauding. I don't call that one person. --

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Was that the thread about - Dr. Carson

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being called a "token"?

thank you for reposting - nm

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My opinion (for what it's worth) - An independent

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I believe politics of Lincoln's era is much different than the problems we are facing today. Nobody can say if Lincoln were alive he would be this or that. Nobody can say that we can't use Lincoln as a modern day Republican role model. I believe we can. Lincoln was a great man that everyone should use as a role model. But the democrats are far past being able to associate themselves in any way, shape, or form as being like Lincoln.

I don't think it's accurate to try and distance Lincoln from the republican party. He was a republican after all and I believe a lot of modern day republicans hold the same values he did.

I also would not compare a lot of democrats (or republicans) with the racist democrats of 40 and 50 years ago. Times have changed. We've come a long way. There are still racists and they are in both parties, but we also need to remember it was the republican party who freed the slaves and was against slavery. The democrat party wanted to continue with slavery.

I've seen many posts here, and too many in the liberal-dominated Google searches of people trying to tear down the republican party. It gets pretty nasty with everyone jumping on the band wagon, almost like watching a violent hazing party with everyone jumping up and down shouting in glee while someone is getting beaten up.

Here's the thing. Not everyone in the republican party is bad. Are there a few bad ones, oh sure of course there are. But equally as bad is some people in the democrat party. The truth is there is no difference between the parties. There are neocons in both parties, and a large part of the democrat party has been infiltrated with communists. Either way both parties are run by corporations and the uber rich.

As for that statement. No I would not associate todays democrats (or republicans) with the racist democrats of yesterday, but yes I would say that Lincoln is a fine role model and I believe a lot of republicans have the same values he did.

Of course not everyone in the GOP is bad. - Good grief. If the good ones spoke up

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when they were supposed to, more people would remember they existed, and do exist. Fact is, they let themselves be seduced and mislead by silly, simpleminded catch phrases in the Reagan era, let themselves be aligned without consideration with the far right and greedy money interests, and have NOT been doing their job for a long time--to everyone's loss.

As for Lincoln, he was intensely pragmatic and is impossible to label rigidly in today's silly red-blue way. He made decisions that would be called conservative when he felt that would work best and moderate, liberal or whatever when they would work best. He had a first class and free-ranging mind, a characteristic which in itself is at the core of liberalism but can also be seen in at least moderate conservatives. (Firm conservatives, OTOH, are handicapped by their preferences from considering ideas that differ to any real degree from the range accepted in their own social groups.)

However one might want to regard Lincoln and the new Republican party, though, freeing the slaves was intensely NOT conservative. Virtually all conservatives in the southern states and by far most in the northern and western states opposed and even hated him for it, and note that those conservatives were NOT members of the new Republican party.

Would Breitbart and Karl Rove have been Republicans back then? Absolutely not. Would Lincoln read and quote them today? Yes! He had a terrific sense of humor, and we'd be rolling on the floor. :)

You lost me with the communist comment. - NM

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He/she lost me, too. - nm

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Talking "GOP base" but calling herself independent makes me curious. - Indie, what caused you to reject the GOP? nm

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