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In response to Nikki

Posted: Apr 10, 2010

Some of our posts were deleted and I just wanted to answer one specific question you asked me before you had to leave. You asked me if I would be angry and/or upset if, God forbid, President Obama was assassinated.

I will never condone, encourage, or rejoice in the assassination of our president. To wish death upon our president is extremist behavior and I do not condone those who called for Bush's death nor do I condone those who call for Obama's death.

I know I own a hand gun and a rifle or 2 as well as other "weapons" but I am not a violent person. I'm a very passionate and opionated person but I would never threaten and/or hurt anyone to try and get my point across and that is where the loons on both sides take matters WAY too far.

I see no reason why people can't own guns. It is my personal opinion that if you take guns away from the law-abiding citizens, the criminals and crooks will still get them. I don't believe it is overly smart to have rallies and encourage everyone to carry a gun because they can because the chances are...there could possibly be a moron or two in the group who could do some serious damage, but people carrying guns in general does not bother me as long as they have a permit, have taken safety lessons, etc. Just my 2 cents on the whole weapon thing.

The bottom line is, violence is on both sides and I don't condone it from either extreme...whether it be right or left. I just wish that the REAL reason for the tea party could be looked at instead of the crazies who have obviously taken things too far. That is all I'm saying.

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I really wish people would not ask us - anon

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if we'd be upset (or happy) if the President of our country was assassinated. NOBODY wants that to happen. Because there are people who disagree with the policies of this administration does not mean anyone wants that to happen. Maybe there are some kooks in this country, but they are no better than the one who wanted President Bush assassinated.

I do not remember seeing the post you are referring to, but I just had to say that I find that question very offensive and disturbing and I hope I don't ever see it here on this board. It's very disrespectful to ask/accuse someone of that just because they disagree with policies.

I'm glad I didn't see that post and I hope never to see that question here.

I don't think there's anything wrong with asking (sm) - Nikki

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a person who chooses "Trigger Happy" as a moniker if he/she owns any weapons, and the answer turned out to be affirmative, which, indeed is her right to own firearms. Nobody is arguing against that.

As far as my other question, she answered it, and that gave me some renewed hope that not all Tea Partiers wish death to our president.

With all the media attention given to the armed Tea Partiers who wish death to the president, I think my questions were fair, and the answers were affirmative -- not your answers, but the answers of "Trigger Happy."

This is very disturbing - anon

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Trigger Happy is a hidden camera comedy television from the UK. You can watch episodes on YouTube. It's quite funny and similar to Just for Laughs. Whether Trigger Happy's moniker is taken from the show, or for issues dealing with weapons I have no idea, but have always thought of the comedy show when I see it.

As for the weapon issue, for someone who is responsible and of sound mind, has training, etc having weapons is not an issue. Maybe you should ask that question of the criminals and gang members in the country. I think owning a weapon is a very personal choice they make and is nobody's business but their own. Besides, they have gone through a background check, so there should be no issues there.

No, of course not all Tea Partiers wish death to a president. The thought that they do is just ludicrous. Nobody at a Tea Party event has ever expressed those wishes. If they had they would have been escorted away by members. Maybe there are a few loony toons people who have, but they have not shown up at tea parties I have watched stating that, and the ones who do state that do not represent the tea party, and as I said they are no better than the people who wished death upon the previous president and upon all presidents before that.

"The media attention given to the armed Tea Partiers who wish death to the president"??? Oh my goodness...did you read that on daily kos or spouted by MSNBC or some lefty site. I have watched all the tea parties across the country. They are peaceful people who attend rallies and hold up signs and discuss issues. They are tired of the direction the country is heading in. I'm sorry, regardless of what you have read in the tabloids, there are no "armed tea partiers wishing death, blah, blah, blah".

I think asking anyone if they wish death upon this president (or any previous president) shows a very disturbing and offensive line of behavior, and shows how obsessive people are. Those are the ones who are disturbed and people should be very concerned about them. Not someone attending a tea party holding a sign saying "no more taxes or We the people or Cut taxes, not deals or Don't tread on me or I am an American and I vote" People are unhappy with the policies. Luckily most of the tea party attendees know that President Obama is not responsible for everything going on in DC. He follows the orders he is given and the decisions are made and voted on by congress. The president is just the messenger that has to tell the public how they are going to be screwed by government.

I don't remember the original post or what exactly it was that you asked. All I commented on was that it is very offensive and disturbing that people would resort to that type of question (assassination) when all we are doing is voicing our disatisfaction. It also shows disrespect toward people who have a difference of opinion. If I said to my mom because she disagrees with the policies "oh you just want him assassinated", well then I'd probably be writing this from the loony bin.

I could name about 100 things wrong with asking people that question.

Again, I will say, I did not see and hope to never see that offensive and disturbing question on this board.

I just wanted to watch my back, that's all. (sm) - Nikki

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Methinks she doeth protest too much.

No need to watch your back. - Trigger Happy

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Just FYI...I used the name "Trigger Happy" because it is, like you have proven with your comments, what liberals assume conservatives who own guns are. LOL. I was just making fun of a stereotype that is for the most part untrue. I can count on 1 hand how many times I've actually fired a gun.

Please see my post above about Oklahoma and Tea Partiers (sm) - Nikki

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Every normal, anti-violence American has every reason to watch their backs.

Militias are being more and more associated with the Tea Party.

What's astonishing to me is that the anniversary of McVeigh's Oklahoma City bombing is coming up, a true homegrown terrorist, and this is the action Oklahoma is considering. Yet another state I cross off my list of places I'd like to visit someday. Ironically, ALL of them are in the South.

In fact, Rachel Maddow is having a special coming up of the McVeigh tapes on Monday, April 19, on MSNBC, in HIS very own words, not hers. That should be enough to make anyone fearful for their well being.

First of all.... - Trigger Happy

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each state has a right to stand up to big govt. This administration has spent money like crazy and now they have crammed this healthcare down our throats. States cannot afford to pay for this. So instead we are just supposed to stand back and not stand up for ourselves and allow the government to stick it to us. I think the term "militia" is wrong in this instance. I don't see these as conservative people willing to shoot anyone who disagree with them. I see a group of people who are tired of being screwed by our government. Our founding fathers understood that...I don't see why people today just don't get it.

Totally agree anon - see message

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I found an interesting article from 2009 regarding the leftists' obsession with violence.

I totally agree with you that to pose a question about our president such as the poster did was very disturbing and quite offensive.

I do not agree with his policies or the way he is running the country, but he is our president for now. May he go back to Chicago when his term is up in 2012.

I too hope this never comes up again, and if it does, we should ignore it completely or report it.

See link

http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=3444

Excellent article - thank you for posting - anon - see message

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I had not seen it before. It really shows how disturbed and obsessed the leftists really are. This is why people of the country are very upset. The lefties want to have free reign, act like children, and not be questioned about anything. Did you read the article above about Obama going off the deep end? They think that they can do anything they want and nobody is supposed to question them or bring issues up, and they are using the left nut-wing media to vilify anyone who speaks up. It is quite disturbing indeed and they need to be in a padded cell if they think they can get away with it. They need to be held responsible for their actions (i.e. fired in November). Unfortunately in the meantime they are accumulating wealth, so being unemployed for them will not even affect them. Their savings, retirements, health care, etc is set for life and they will never have to worry about how they are going to pay for their next meal, etc. They are so disconnected from reality. I say November can't come soon enough.

Thanks for posting the link. It was an excellent article.

Are you freaking kidding me! You are saying that there is now a ...sm - oldtimer

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radical movement on to make people believe that people on the left, namely democrats?, want to assasinate the president? Why did you even post that evil link? Democrats are far from obsessed with violence, more accurately, we are obsessed wth peace and prosperity through kindness and understanding.

Could have fooled me. Read the posts up and down - the forum

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Yes, bashing of liberals all over the board. (nm) - Nikki

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It's on BOTH sides Nikki - nm

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I agree it's on both sides now. It seems liberals (sm) - Nikki

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are starting to get fed up with all the bashing that comes their way.

And there are one or two posters on this board who will ALWAYS respond with a negative Obama driveby, regardless of the topic of the thread. I could write that it's raining today, and that person would say it's Obama's fault because he lied or it's his fault because he's ruining the country, etc.

Moderator, please do not bother banning me - as I am only going to use

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the word board from here on in. I appreciate it.

I didn't know we could pick and choose which board - an observation

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to be banned from. I didn't find anything wrong with your comment that you think you would have been banned, but I thought if you were banned you were banned from all boards.

Yeah! What happened to "bleeding heart liberals" - and hippies, etc.

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I guess those only apply when they support the pubs statements.

Yeah, I have about given up on this bunch. We have people here, some of whom are teabaggers, who are ignoring blatant and numerous attacks on dems with some arrests, but it our imagination, could not possibly be by republicans or crazy conservatives (who else would it be??). We have people here accusing Obama of being extreme radical left when they are in fact SOOO far right that to try and make a judgement like that is preposterous and in truth, he is a moderate, too moderate for some. We have people here who accuse the president of attempting a government takeover when all he did was get 32 million people health insurance coverage-how dare he!!! Socialism! Communism! Marxist!! Nope, no paranoia there. No leaning on the panic button at all! We have people here who justify taking guns to rallies to "protect themselves" and because they want to "do it while they still can." First of all, who exactly are you protecting yourselves from? Other teabaggers? From each other is more likely when the rhetoric gets out of hand but then again, that is another area of denial-will NEVER happen, right? Secondly, President has NEVER, EVER said that he had any intention of taking away anyones guns, and yet we still hear that lie. And now this garbage?? Good lord!! Generally, dems are more the peace-niks, they are the people generally who are concerned with all Americans being helped, and not just other dems btw. They are the people who want to see all Americans living better, and in a safer situation, not support only the very rich and who cares about anyone else.

I am going somewhere else. There is no reason here anymore. I have never seen the level of denial that I see here, the BS that I see here and refusal to see truths, even when in a video right in front of your eyes! It is only attack and deny anything the libs say, attack and deny but never, EVER consider that we may actually have a point, and that Obama might actually be trying to do better for the people, is not arrogant, trying for a government takeover, trying to make us a socialist nation, or any of the other ridiculous accusations made here. He is an intelligent man who was left with one h**l of a mess and now is trying to dig us out of it in spite of a bunch of bozos whose only interest is to make sure that he makes no headway, no matter who it hurts, in order to further the republican agenda.

Talk to you later Nikki, oldtimer, NJ, the other libs and the few reasonable independents and republicans like BT we have on this board who can actually at times have a reasonable conversation.

I know how you feel. It is sad that the war going on in our own country is...sm - VTMT

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as important to our national well being than either the war in Iraq or Afghanistan, and this hateful war is being waged for the self-interest of those who would benefit from unrest.

Like i said before, the media is mostly to blame - Backwards Typist

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I watched a bunch of videos today (some older ones) and one really disturbed me. It was MSNBC about the guy at a rally where the president was going to speak carrying a gun on his shoulder and a pistol on his hip (which should have NEVER been allowed because of the prez being there).

They never showed the person above the shoulder and said he was a racist and threatening with those guns. Then, another video from a different media showed the whole body of the man and guess what....he was black! So, how could he have been racist?

I was furious! I can't remember the woman's name who made those remarks, but I think she is an instigator. I wonder how many people saw her segment and went ballistic over it. Probably quite a few and that's why the division between people is the way it is today.

You nailed it! Your first paragraph (sm) - Nikki

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explains perfectly just WHY I asked the questions I asked and got blasted for it. You are much more eloquent than I, but I refer any reader who wants to know WHY I would ask such questions to read your first paragraph.

The rest of your post was dead on, as well!

Thank you.

Sorry, but Obama is a radical. All you have to do - is look at his policies, his agenda.

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I am a democrat, but I do not see Obama as helping, just hurting. In the long-term, our economy will hurt MORE, and so will our people. The HCR bill is a disaster. It will raise rates, and we will end up with fewer doctors, yet more need and long lines. Obama was never qualified to be president. He has never even run a business, has done nothing so far to improve things, but people should not call him on the carpet? Bull. We have EVERY RIGHT to. You want to leave? leave. No one asked you to. You should know that people will disagree with you on this board. Its politics!

You are soooooooo right! (sm) - Nikki

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I'm not obsessed with violence, and to suggest that a liberal wants to kill President Obama is beyond ridiculous. It seems they take their own party's actions and then flip them around to make it about Democrats. I especially like (NOT!) the repeated mantra, "Obama lies" that litters this board and the other drive-bys that they post, as well.

I asked my questions regarding guns and reactions to something bad happening to Obama simply because I'm trying to figure out which category these teabaggers fit into, how far this violence and obvious hatred will go and whether I should take this group seriously regarding violence. If they admit to being a Teapartier, then I'm curious as to how many weapons they own and how they would feel if something bad happened to President Obama and whether I should fear for my life and the lives of others. Only they know if they gave honest answers, but some of the indignant offense that has been taken does make me wonder.

Really? (sm) - Nikki

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You wrote: "I do not agree with his policies or the way he is running the country, but he is our president for now."

This is the first time I've ever seen a conservative concede that "he is our president for now." Looking up and down this board, all I see is Obama bashing.

Please see message. (sm) - Nikki

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I'm trying to look at the real Tea Party. That's why I posed the questions I did.

Thank you for responding.

And there was NOTHING offensive in your - request, Nikki

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To say it was given the types of questions and responses seen on this forum by everyone-again,everyone-is being disingenuous, at the very least.

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