A community of 30,000 US Transcriptionist serving Medical Transcription Industry
starting new thread on health care debate
Posted: Jan 5, 2012
Previous thread getting too indented and confusing. The thread began with the question "If you are against Obama health care law, who should pay for the uninsured?" It boils down to either the individual is required to pay or the taxpayer will pay. We have lots of personal anecdotes and generalized "should" statements, grievances against the government and vague "individual basis" which means, I guess, do nothing. I came away with the opinion that conservatives are saying the system is broken, the taxpayers ARE paying for the irresponsible and poor, but they do want anything to be done about it. Sweeping statements and gripes do not address the bottom line - someone will pay, and right now it is the taxpayer.
;
We need programs like Medicaid and Medicare. - butitneedspolicing
[ In Reply To ..]Our society should take care of those truly disabled and unable to fend for themselves, the elderly, etc.
The problem is, we have a lot of people that have been allowed these programs that can work and pay their own way.
Of course, you have to have the jobs available for the people to work.
The GOP wants to take us back to the 1800s, which is a long-past era that is not going to happen. Families can't/don't take care of their own now and they would balk at the possibility of doing so. The GOP is living in an idealistic dream land.
On some level, I could support some of that ideal if the GOP was more willing for a gradual approach to change rather than hurting millions with radical change. We didn't build the system overnight, and changing it overnight pulls the rug out from everybody's feet.
Also, the entire government, pubs and dems, seem to be in the pocket of the superrich, and we just can't trust any of them to do anything worthwhile for the middle class. They lie to us to get us to vote against ourselves, or they throw God's name into it for deceptive reasons. We can't believe what we are told since they will say anything to assure reelection, both sides of the aisle.
Because there is no public option in Obama's...sm - oldtimer
[ In Reply To ..]healthcare bill the pockets of the insurance executives will continue to fill. What we really need is for some philanthropist to start a NON-PROFIT health insurance company thereby dramatically reducing premiums with any profit going back to the insureds. If the other insurance companies didn't reduce their rates too they would be out of business quickly. Sounds kind of like Obama's public OPTION huh?
New thread - health care - Concerned
[ In Reply To ..]Who do you think is going to pay for Obamacare...It IS the taxpayers again. Health is a personal responsibility and choice. I do understand your confusion, but the black and white answer you want does not exist. Obamacare is NOT health care. See posts below regarding Judge Kithil and links throughout law that have absolutely nothing to do with health at all. Also I suggest you read the bill and review all the additional taxes that will be imposed on taxpayers.
It is an individual responsbility. I posted yesterday in our area for those without insurance, there are several medical, health choices available. Unfortunately, some refuse to even complete the form to get the services FOR FREE. Those people are not going away because of Obamacare, and will not be more responsible either. If someone is so odd as to not fill out a form (and yes, if they need assistance completing the form, it is available), why should the rest of society be saddled with their irresponsibility. People can also researach free clinics and go there. There is not just 1 simple little answer, which you seem to be looking for. We all have choices, some of just make better choices than others. Those that refuse to do so, the burden should be on them and them alone.
survey says - dawson
[ In Reply To ..]So in essence the taxpayer pays either way according to some posters. All the fuss basically boils down to President Obama having him name on it you suppose??
Or is it not okay to require individual people to purchase insurance but it is fine to require taxpayers to be paying for them because that is the why it always been.
Hear hear! - ConcernedROCKS
[ In Reply To ..]You are SPOT ON, lady!
There are NUMEROUS options available to folks: Here we have a County Health Department and free clinics in addition to a statewide healthcare system for the indigent.
Of course, ALL of the above programs are funded by TAX DOLLARS. So, in addition to the ABOVE, there were be ObamaCare (which is nothing but a FEDERAL MANDATE that ENRICHES INSURANCE COMPANIES) which of course will also be funded by our TAX DOLLARS.
Enough is enough!
HearHer - Concerned
[ In Reply To ..]Thank for your comments. The only thing I would like to point out though, is Obamacare does NOT enrich the insurance companies. If you read that law entirely, it is designed to financially crush any private insurance whatsoever. The fine to drop insurance is LESS than the "rebate" that Obamacare offers to employers to funnel employees to the govt insurance pools. I had provided links below to certain parts of the bill in yesterday's post. This by far is not all of them. The goal of Obamacare is to have govt control every single aspect of health for every single person living in America, legally or not. We already have massive free care in place for those that need it; and if they do, God bless them and help them. However, people also have to help themselves. I worked in a major health facility in Cardiology and routinely helped those in need; sometimes paying for care out of my own pocket (shocking to some on this board that say such hateful things if you oppose anything Obama). If you check the links below, you can start to put the puzzle together regarding Obamacare. You can also search on the internet, but I will caution you, it is a very, very time cosuming process. Since my mother is elderly, my motivation was strong. As I stated earlier, Obamacare is truly frightening. No one that supports Obamacare has yet been able to intelligently answer how "sweeping" your financialy records, without you knowledge, anytime they choose, benefits your health. You can readily spot those that have not read any of Obamacare on their own, but have relied on their party interpretation. I rely on no one for my info, and prefer to do research myself. Removes all the party ideologies and misrepresentation when you read it yourself. Incidentally, you will consistently see the phrase "as deemed necessary" at the "will of" or "at the discretion" of the Secretary (meaning HHS secretary). In legalese, that means with or without input, HHS Dept. can deny, eliminate, change any portion of health care for ANYONE at any time. Thank for you an interesting and good luck muddling through it all.
To HearHear - Concerned
[ In Reply To ..]Sorry for the typos..next time I will put my glasses on first!! LOL
Do people really think taxes are going down without these programs? - naivete
[ In Reply To ..]It won't happen. They are just going to find another way to funnel your money into the pockets of the superrich anyway. All you will be doing is making it more expensive for everybody to live. The free clinics are on the chopping block, too, and they actually think the charities are going to take up the slack, which again puts it on the middle class to give their hard-earned money to organizations that only give 20% of their donations to the actual charity. The rest goes to the pockets of those running the charity. Charities are a way for the rich to get richer, tax free!
naivete - Concerned
[ In Reply To ..]I cannot speak for others regarding what they believe as far as taxes in regards to Obamacare. They will have to read Obamacare and decide what they believe. We all get a tax break if we contribute to charity; so actually any person paying federal tax, regardless of their tax bracket, can use that to their advantage if they choose to.
Similar Messages:
Health Care- Pre-exisiting Conditions Program Starting NowJul 01, 2010
AP ran a story in our local paper. They are launching a special coverage program for uninsured Americans with medical problems this week. The catch: Preminiums will be a stretch for many even after government subsidies. You must have been uninsured for at least 6 months. Congress allocated $5B to the program but it could well run out in 2011. Premimiums are varied and estimated to cost a 50 yo in CA $575 a month wit ha $1500 deductible in CA. States with lower medical costs could be ...
Health Care Reform-Question About Canadian Health CareDec 03, 2009
So....a friend is for our US health care reform (already retired and on Medicare) because he had no trouble going to Canada to get laser surgery on his eyes so he wouldn't have to wear glasses and states there is nothing wrong with the Canadian system....but, and I'm asking a serious question here, how long do people really wait for emergent surgery if they belong to the Canadian system versus the American system as we have it now? How did Canada get their health care system up and ru ...
The 11:11 Phenomenon, I Don't Get It. I'm Starting A New ThreadMay 21, 2010
because the one below sort got hijacked or should I say "invaded" by aliens from outer space. LOL! Anyway, I had never heard of this phenomenon, so when OP posted about I googled it of course and I just don't get it, I guess. What does it all mean really, that a lot of people all look at the clock at the exact same time a day or that once you become aware of 11, you see it everywhere? If it is a true phenomenon, then what is the point? Why have everyone become aware ...
Anyone Who Missed The Debate Last Night-it's Starting On CSpan Now.Oct 12, 2012
Martha is just going over the rules. ...
Health Care Reform Repeal Would Rob 4-Year-Old Jackson Whaley Of Health Security Jun 15, 2012
What happens when your ailing son is about to exhaust a lifetime of health insurance benefits before his third birthday? Kelly Whaley came dangerously close to finding out...... ...
Health Insurance Is A Poor Measure Of Health Care.Sep 14, 2011
On Tuesday, the Census Bureau released its annual report on health insurance coverage in the United States. News media widely misconstrued the data and presented the problems facing the nation's health care system through a distorted lens. Many major news outlets made a basic error when reporting on the Census Bureau study. The Los Angeles Times wrote that "the number of Americans with no health insurance rose in 2010 to 49.9 million from 49 million the year before." But the figure c ...
Charity Health CareOct 15, 2009
In response to Keith O's idea of conducting free health care clinics in the states of dem legislators who are reluctant to support health care reform, progressives have donated $600,000 so far. The clinics are being scheduled. Dr. Oz is one of the many health care volunteers. Progressives put their money where their mouths are. ...
Health Care StoryOct 18, 2009
Got this email today: Hey there,I just heard a story that you need to hear too: A few years ago, Melanie Shouse was living the American dream when she transformed an old Dominos storefront into an expansion of her home business. But just as the store was opening, Melanie was diagnosed with stage four breast cancer and given months to live.Melanie had insurance, and she went straight to the experts at Siteman Cancer Center in St. Louis. Working with the world-renowned doctors there, she� ...
Health Care BillNov 20, 2009
BREAKING: Full List of Tax HikesIn Senate Democrat Health Bill From Ryan Ellis on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:46 PM Read the full bill Read the tax revenue score from the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) Read the budget and tax score from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) PDF of this Document Individual Mandate Tax (Page 324/Sec. 1501/$8 bil): Starting in 2014, anyone not buying “qualifying” health insurance must pay an income surtax according to the following ...
Prayer For Health CareNov 24, 2009
A dear friend of mine shared a prayer she wrote for health care and was kind enough to give me permission to share it here with all of you. She makes some very poignant points that I feel should be shared. Here goes: Prayer for Health Care Lord, we know that you must be aggrieved at the thought of so many people in the world who suffer from denial of access to the healing arts. As a Healer Yourself, You showed unconditional compassion to so many of us humans who desperately n ...
Health Care IdeaDec 03, 2009
Perhaps they should link it directly to Social Security. make the plan optional, but if you decided against participation in the reform plan, you are automatically dropped from future Social Security payments. If you are so dead certain that health care reform is socialism, you can make your stand by not taking social security. ...
Health Care Bill Mar 20, 2010
x ...
Maxine On Health CareMar 29, 2010
Senior Health Care Solution So you're a senior citizen and the government says no health care for you, what do you do? Our plan gives anyone 65 years or older a gun and 4 bullets. You are allowed to shoot 2 senators and 2 representatives. Of Course, this means you will be sent to prison where you will get 3 meals a day, a roof over your head, and all the health care you need! New teeth, no problem. Need glasses, great. New hip, knees, kidney, ...
The Rage Is Not About Health Care Mar 29, 2010
By FRANK RICH Published: March 27, 2010 THERE were times when last Sunday’s great G.O.P. health care implosion threatened to bring the thrill back to reality television. On ABC’s “This Week,” a frothing and filibustering Karl Rove all but lost it in a debate with the Obama strategist David Plouffe. A few hours later, the perennially copper-faced Republican leader John Boehner revved up his “Hell no, you can’t!” incantation in the House chamber — ...
Health Care ComplaintsApr 30, 2014
If our elected "representatives" (you know who you are) had cooperated instead of fighting tooth and nail against, the ACA could have been more to your liking. Our beloved president did the best he could against the irrational opposition. It is a beginning. Praise the bama. ...
Health Care Spending Up 9.9%May 01, 2014
This is the biggest spike in health care spending since 1980 and not just reported by "Faux" News (hate to disappoint y'all)... Take your pick of links: http://news.investors.com/politics-obamacare/043014-698989-gdp-01-gain-health-care-spending-jumps-on-obamacare.htm http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20140430/NEWS/304309965/reform-update-new-economic-data-suggest-spike-in-health-spending http://www.californiahealthline.org/articles/2014/5/1/health-care-spending-up-by-99-reach ...
The Unaffordable Health Care ActMar 17, 2017
I am now paying 3 times the amount I was paying for insurance premiums only 3 months ago. I'm making 1/3 of what I made 15 years ago. I am literally working for minimum wage. Something has to change or I'm joining the millions of people, including illegal immigrants and people who refuse to work, to get my free insurance, too (which I'm now paying for). ...
We Need Universal Health Care.Jun 23, 2017
I know Obamacare needs some fixes--at least it was a step in the right direction. I am still doing reports where people are in the acute care hospital setting because they did not take their maintenance medications for hypertension and diabetes, etc. I do not know why they let their Medicaid lapse, but they are in crisis. How much does a prescription for BP meds cost versus the hospital stay + rehab for stoke patients? How much does insulin and blood testing cost versus blindness, ampu ...
The Top 10 Stupid Things Said About Health CareOct 15, 2009
By Ken Kupchik Stupid things are always said in politics, whether it's to curry favor with ill-informed constituents, or because a politician is a missing filter between his brain and mouth. Based on the level of discourse during the recent health care debate, it appears that the far right possessed the lion's share of stupid comments. Here is the cream of the crap: 10) Sarah Palin temporarily came out of book-writing reclusion to claim that a health-care overhaul would create "dea ...
Common Sense Health Care Nov 05, 2009
Common Sense Health Care our Nation can afford. - This makes sense to me. The American people have spoken. They oppose government-run health care. Republicans are on the side of the American people. What Americans want are common-sense, responsible solutions that address the rising cost of health care and other major problems. In the national Republican address on Saturday, October 31, 2009, House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH) discussed Republicans’ plan for common- ...
Well This Is Something To Be Hopefull For - Health Care BillNov 23, 2009
Support for health care bill falls to new low http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform And say what you want about Sen. Joe Liberman, but he is earning my respect. Ms. Lincoln even stated she was "shocked by the “unbelievable type of threats” she had received.". As I was thinking this morning I wonder how many will be threatned if they don't vote for it. ...
How To Achieve Affordable Health CareDec 23, 2009
Despite all the hubbub about health care, the United States can have affordable health care tomorrow if we want it. There have been real solutions available, solutions that have been right under our noses for decased,but you don't often hear about them and the prospects of getting them are rather grim unless the public is apprised of them. Today's debates and town hall meetings have not been about reducting the overall cost of health care, but about who's going to pay for it. See ...
Judge Rules Out Health Care LawDec 13, 2010
This is good news. Now if politicians could just make health care affordable for all. I'd love the same rates as someone in Idaho or other states have. Make health insurance competitive, they have to accept pre-existing conditions and nobody could ever be refused health care and I think that would be a great way for a new year. But forcing people to buy a product they don't want is just not right and I'm glad this judge saw how unconstitutional it is. &nbs ...
After The Griping About Not Televising Health CareFeb 14, 2010
These people are ONLY interested in making Obama look bad, not in the american people. This is beyond stupid. http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-february-11-2010/the-apparent-trap ...
Republicans Just Don't Understand Health CareNov 16, 2010
...
Interesting Video On Health CareMay 25, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJIC7kEq6kw&feature=youtu.be This guy makes a lot of sense to me. ...
Ah, Yes...British-style Health Care.Mar 09, 2010
This is the kind of thing you get when the government muddles around in the health care system - and it will be coming to a government database near you soon! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7408379/Patients-medical-records-go-online-without-consent.html ...
Fraud In Health Care SystemMar 13, 2010
It is estimated that there is at least 100 billion dollars health care fraud annually. There are truly needy people and they should be helped. But there are also many people who don't have health insurance because they just do not want to pay premiums, use their money for other things instead, when they could pay and are able to pay. This is just not right and this needs to be stopped, and that should make a dent in health care costs. Why not go after the health care ...
Good News In Health CareOct 26, 2010
Health care employment rose by 24,000 in September. The increase was concentrated in ambulatory health care services (+17,000). Health care employment has risen by an average of 21,000 per month this year. http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf ...
IRS Will Enforce Health Care Bill Mar 19, 2010
CBO estimates IRS will need nearly 17,000 new agents to look for people who don't buy a government-mandated insurance policy. This is basically going to be another reason to audit tax returns, and people who don't comply will essentially be treated like tax evaders with the IRS using its "normal" powers of enforcement by levyings fines, penalties and liens against bank accounts, seizing property, etc. And, assuming that the IRS will fold this into its usual enforcement operations, ...