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Not political - New pope has been elected (no msg)

Posted: Mar 13, 2013

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I'm not religious and have many grievances - with the church, BUT

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I love the pope election process--the smoke, the secrecy. It's very old world, and I can't help but get caught up in it.

Me too. And with over a billion Catholics, it throws - a lot of weight around. I'm old enough

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to look back at Vatican II, which I thought then had nothing to do with me, and then the swing back to conservatism and realize that it really does affect my world.

Same here. nm - Dewey

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Not impressed w/Pope thing. I go directly to the Man - but guess who IS??!!

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I heard last night that DENNIS RODMAN is in Rome. He wants to meet the Pope!!!

Complete with Flower Power jacket - Nancy Funpants

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The conversation goes like this... - sm

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Pope: How will I know which one you are?

Dennis: You'll know.

he probably likes the shoes - nm

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Wow! Quick choice of an Argentinian Jesuit progressive - who criticizes economic injustice, believes

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in social justice, is described as nevertheless orthodox and potentially conservative, lives in a little apartment and takes a bus to work. At least did. Pope Francis I.

Too bad he is anti-contraception - and anti-gay,

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But it's the pope, so not exactly a shocker.

No, but supposedly he's very deeply spiritual, - and that's what I would have chosen

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for a giant religion that is not mine. This secularized easy-sell/mass market version we see in American Protestant megachurches, for instance, might be easily adulterated further, but I suspect it's far from optimal for anyone on any side for just that reason.

The political/future of the Church battle was supposed to be between a more marketable planetwide religion and a return to core values. He may be an attempt to have both, with the compromise being a traditional acceptance that God decides women's and men's roles, not them.

In any case, as a good liberal, I liked that he called for silent, private prayer after being presented. The people in the square and around the planet were to commune one-on-one for themselves instead of passively riding on his words in some giant dutiful group thing. May not mean anything I read into it, but I like it. :)

wondering if there has been a pope who - was not deeply spiritual

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It seems like a basic requirement for the holy father. Maybe there have been popes who weren't deeply spiritual, I don't know. But if there have been, I'd call that a flaw in the system.

There are different levels and definitions of - spirituality

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I think the poster eloquently described what level/definition of spirituality she was impressed with.

But yeah... spirituality is definitely the prerequisite!! :-)

Boy, are there! Probably the #1 source of hypocrisy. - Let's not forget, BTW, that ALL of those

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cardinals in some way or another, most probably extensively and continually over the decades, have been involved in concealing, and thus abetting, abuses of all kinds of parishioners of all ages and both sexes, not just children and not just rape. This is a top-down religion and all 200+ cardinals take their orders from Rome, which as we all know are to protect The Church first.

Also, please note that all positions of religious authority, right from the bottom up, draw not only those who want to serve God but those who want a position of authority from which to prey on the flock of potential victims it provides. Keeping those monsters out is a problem for all religions.

Whereas I think we can assume MANY have been. - Popes are extremely powerful men. nm

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He tried to pay for his hotel room when he picked up his belongings - but the hotel wouldn't let him

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That's cute. Of course not! :) - nm

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At 76 with 1 functioning lung - we may see yet another soon. (nm)

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My husband wondered if age might have been - seen as a plus in the first Pope chosen

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from outside Europe. If this experiment turned up problems, it would be expected to end sooner this way.

OTOH, he's lived a very healthy life otherwise and could be around for another 30 years...

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