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Romney says people with no health insurance should go to the ER!
Posted: Sep 24, 2012
So, don't bother to get health insurance. Don't worry if your insurance company dropped you because of pre-existing conditions. Just go to the ER and the rest of America will pay your bills for you. Problem solved.
He's living on another planet.
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Take things out of context much? - BB2
[ In Reply To ..]That is most certainly not what he said. ***
At least I'm intelligent enough to make a point without calling people names - nm
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Wow. That was uncalled for. Stay classy. (nm) - anon
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People crawl to that level when they get desparate - sm
[ In Reply To ..]The worst their candidate is doing, the ruder supporters get. I have to admit though that I wouldn't count any chickens before they are hatched. I don't see why anyone would vote for Romney for President, although he might be a person what I would enjoy as a friend. There is enough time for everything to change though. He could win more supporters by election day. I hope not, but the fact that we have a strong two-party system is one of many reasons that America is great.
Not necessarily. Sometimes people just get (sm) - Aunt Sue
[ In Reply To ..]sick and tired of people misquoting or purposely misunderstanding (or maybe not purposely?) a person just to cast aspersions on them. It gets old and tiresome and does not indicate despAration. Sometimes it's just enough with the lies - kind of like we feel about Obama and his followers won't see it.
Ooops - supposed to be "E". Capped wrong. - Aunt Sue
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Here's the transcript.... - SK1
[ In Reply To ..]What he said is very different than what you're suggesting.
I agree with you. I read the whole thing. He made a lot of sense. - backwards typist
[ In Reply To ..]It's a shame that people hear or read only what they want and the rest goes by the wayside.
In 2001, Bush wanted to end 3 federal programs that he felt were wasteful, as did some commentators. They were:
The Economic Development Administration (EDA) should be scrapped. Begun in 1965 to generate new jobs and stimulate growth in economically distressed areas, many of those cities now have unemployment figures below the national average.
Multi-million dollar payments continue to subsidize U.S. companies to expend their market share overseas. Why should taxpayers pay expenses for commercial companies? If eliminated, the estimated savings, according to Citizens Against Government Waste: $348 million over five years.
The Rural Utilities Service continues to subsidize telephone and electrical services in such “depressed” areas as Vail, Co., Hilton Head, SC, and Potomac, MD., where the rich live and play. The initial mission of this agency was to assist the nation’s rural areas with the development of utility infrastructure. This mission has been accomplished but, like so many government programs, success (or failure) does not mean a program will end.
Many energy programs could be privatized, including the Tennessee Valley Authroit7y, saving $2.5 billion over 5 years. The power marketing administrations, established in the 1930s to provide remote areas of the country with access to electricity, which is sold at below market rates with the government paying the difference, should be scrapped.
Guess what, The above 3 programs are still in place as of today, 2012. What could the savings be from these programs today? I’m sure it would be quite a bit higher than back in 2001.
It's time to get rid of programs that serve no useful purpose any longer. It's also time to get rid of programs that overlap. Why do we need 7 programs that accomplish the same end?
Thanks for the transcript, SK1. OP is right, tho. He's waffling - on the answer at best. NM
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What makes you say he's waffling? - backwards typist
[ In Reply To ..]Romney:..."different states have different ways of doing that [health care response]. Some -- some provide that care through clinics. Some provide the care through emergency rooms. In my state, we found a solution that worked for my state. But I wouldn't take what we did in Massachusetts and say to Texas, ``You've got to take the Massachusetts model.''
..."Well, for instance, Medicaid is a program that's designed to help the poor. Likewise, we have housing vouchers and food stamps, and these help the poor. I'd take the dollars for those programs, send them back to the states, and say, ``You craft your programs at your state level and the way you think best to deal with those that need that kind of help in your state.''
Why is this waffling? This is what he's been stating all along.
Here is another Mitt waffle - Pass the syrup
[ In Reply To ..]When asked in a March 2010 interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" whether he believes in universal coverage, Romney said, "Oh, sure."
"Look, it doesn't make a lot of sense for us to have millions and millions of people who have no health insurance and yet who can go to the emergency room and get entirely free care for which they have no responsibility, particularly if they are people who have sufficient means to pay their own way," he said.
LOL! I would have voted for Mitt 2010 version - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I am in total agreement with a mandated payment. Why should I pay for the people who would rather charge new living room furniture on their charge card than pay their health insurance premium. We should ALL pay our fair share and use preventive medicine for treatment rather than expensive emergency room or intensive care.
Okay, you think Mitt "waffles" but you don't think Obama waffles??? - backwards typist
[ In Reply To ..]He has said so many things and later turned around and backtracked on them.
This March 2010 interview....he's right. I don't see where he's waffling. This is what he said then:
"When they show up at the hospital, they get care. They get free care paid for by you and me. If that's not a form of socialism, I don't know what is," he said at the time. "So my plan did something quite different. It said, you know what? If people can afford to buy insurance ... or if they can pay their own way, then they either buy that insurance or pay their own way, but they no longer look to government to hand out free care. And that, in my opinion, is ultimate conservativism."
...and this is what he said recently:
"If you can afford to pay, why should you go to the ER and get free care? To my mind, that's selfish. It just takes away from those who really can't afford health insurance but bleeding the programs the hospitals have in place.
Medicaid is a program that's designed to help the poor. Likewise, we have housing vouchers and food stamps, and these help the poor. I'd take the dollars for those programs, send them back to the states, and say, ``You craft your programs at your state level and the way you think best to deal with those that need that kind of help in your state.''
How is that waffling?
Romeny trying to steal Obama's Welfare to Work policy? - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Sounds like what the Obama administration has said about considering proposals from states that are aimed at finding better ways of getting welfare recipients into jobs.
I smell another waffle cooking.
I think you have that backwards! - backwards typist
[ In Reply To ..]Obama is getting desperate and it's NOT OBAMA'S WELFARE TO WORK POLICY.
Clinton put that program in place, not Obama. Since when is it okay for Obama to take credit for things he didn't implement?
I said it, not Obama - Mitt is stalking the President
[ In Reply To ..]If the media says something, do you automatically attribute it to Obama? Another form of the knee jerk reaction I guess. Romney is trying to take the same position on the popular Obama polices and trying to take the T-Party position at the same time. Ain't gonna work.
Why is that waffling? - SK1
[ In Reply To ..]Personally, I think that most Americans feel there needed (needs) to be healthcare reform. The objection is to the way it was put forth by this administration.
Do they give ongoing cancer care in ERs? - Sick of ER moochers
[ In Reply To ..]Here is the transcript. How does this justify lack of care for 50 million Americans?
ROMNEY: Well, we do provide care for people who don't have insurance, people -- we -- if someone has a heart attack, they don't sit in their apartment and -- and die. We -- we pick them up in an ambulance, and take them to the hospital, and give them care. And different states have different ways of providing for that care.
PELLEY: That's the most expensive way to do it.
ROMNEY: Well the...
Getting a bit argumentative, aren't we? lol You know darn well - backwards typist
[ In Reply To ..]what Romney's saying.
Just in the last sentence "....And different states have different ways of providing that care" shows you don't seem to understand plain English.
to backwards typist - me
[ In Reply To ..]Obama is trying to ELIMINATE the need to work when you are on welfare. Again, another ploy to make sure people are dependent on the government, so they have all your information and can access anything about you - even more so than they can now. Nobama for me for another 4 years - I've had enough of rights for everyone but the people in this country who work the hardest to provide free things for those who just want to suck up the freebies.
Thank you, BT.... - SK1
[ In Reply To ..]Context makes all the difference.
In fact, states do have Medicaid programs that assist low-income people with healthcare issues. Is it perfect? Of course not. Is it the Cadillac care that we would ALL love to participate in? Probably not. But it's very tiresome to hear over and over again how people are deprived of healthcare in this country.
What he's saying is, cancer treatment is for people with money - or at least health insurance
[ In Reply To ..]What he's saying is, he can't be worried about those people who have neither money nor health insurance.
No, i believe you have that backwards - backwards typist
[ In Reply To ..]He doesn't want people WHO CAN AFFORD HEALTH CARE to get FREE HEALTH CARE in the ERs. This is why he wants the states to handle the health care, not the federal government.
That's my understanding but why should I keep trying to explain it to someone who just doesn't want to acknowledge that Romney might have the right idea. Oh, the horrors of it all!!!
In fact, I don't trust that either government would to do us justice in our health care, especially the federal with having to go EMR route and federal government making all the decisions with regards to our health.
An ER should be for emergency care. - Romney does not get it.
[ In Reply To ..]The fact is, the emergency room should be for emergency care, not for care that has been put off because of lack of health insurance coverage. It should not be "free" care for people who need preventive or intensive chronic care. It does not work that way and Romney apparently does not get it.
His example is a heart attack patient - How about 81 mg aspirin
[ In Reply To ..]He would rather have you get treated for a heart attack in the ER than have preventive services like prescribing an aspirin, statin, or have an EKG or echo. He just does not get it.
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