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Posted: Feb 17, 2011

I am horrified at what is happening in Wisconsin and many other states. There has been a systemic effort to take away our rights and this is just the latest.

If you are a working medical transcriptionist you know only too well about the cuts to wages and benefits. The corporate policies (using political influence) have offshored work, cut wages and benefits, driven workers into unemployment, so that the remaining workers will grasp at any reduced wages and benefits that might be tossed to them.

This "union busting" is just the latest in the attack against the middle class. The unions has been the entity that has held up the wage and benefit floor for the American Worker. Is employment at Wal-Mart starting to look good to you? When was the last time you got a raise, employer-paid health insurance, or an employer contribution to a retirement plan? If the unions go down, be assured you never will again.

As far as I am concerned, the union busting activity taking place by the Republican and Tea Party groups is the line in the sand. In 7 days the Wisconsin governor is trying to dismantle 60 years of progress with worker's rights.

Look at what is going on around you: Missouri State Senator Jane Cunningham has proposed a bill that would "modify" child labor laws. It eliminates the prohibition on employment of children under the age fourteen. Restrictions on the number of hours and restrictions on when a child may work during the day are also removed. It also repeals the requirement that a child ages fourteen or fifteen obtain a work certificate or work permit in order to be employed. Children under sixteen will also be allowed to work in any capacity in a motel, resort or hotel where sleeping accommodations are furnished. It also removes the authority of the director of the Division of Labor Standards to inspect employers who employ children and to require them to keep certain records for children they employ. It also repeals the presumption that the presence of a child in a workplace is evidence of employment.

The Republicans have made attempts to change what is considered rape. Cuts to proven programs like Head Start are justified because women should stay home and take care of their kids. Supreme Court decisions have empowered corporations to influence the elections through the "Citizen United" ruling. I could go on and on here.

Wake up!

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I wish you would go on and on. This is an excellent post. - sm

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The child labor law proposals are stunning. Thanks for posting this, as I was unaware.

The attack on Planned Parenthood by activists who mobilized the thoroughly discredited Live Action group is another telling sign, but they went over the line and displayed their true colors when Fox's Debbie Schussel seized the moment to showcase her Anti-Islamic vitriol by daring to utter she hoped Lara Logan enjoyed the revolutoin after being beaten and sexually assaulted while reporting from Egypt. Schussel is evidenty too ignorant to know that people who are this blinded by their own hatred are doomed to be consumed by it.

Your post reminded me of the lyrics to Buffalo Springfield's "For What It's Worth." What we have learned in the past month or so from the Middle East's rolling revolutions is that when conditions are ripe, it does not take much of a trigger to set them off. I am with you. Instead of focusing on the powers that be who are running on empty, I prefer to see what is going on around us as the dawn of a new awakening.

What do you mean? Child labor is awesome! - no1joe

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What better way to get cheap workers who truly don't know whether they're being treated fairly in the workplace? Mom and/or dad got the axe at work? Have junior get out there and help feed the family! Better yet, what better way to cut down on pesky college tuition costs and grants, loans, etc.? Heck... start them out early enough, and they're more likely to drop out of high school and opt for full-time employment (maybe it's just me, but pocket change always seemed like a gold mine to me when I was a teenager), thus taking care of that overcrowded classroom problem and finally get those overpaid annoying teachers to stop whining - maybe we can even fire a few of them. And if that doesn't take care of it, let's do away with the restrictions on the number of hours and time of day when kids can work... who cares if a kid has to get back home to do homework, study, attend school, or sleep? There's money to be made! Start them out early, add a little bit of "work ethic" instead of education while they're young, let simmer for a few years, and voila! You get a generation of low-income, undereducated, minimum-wage employees (reminder to self - try and do away with minimum wage next). Fantastic! Hopefully, if you've got a kid flipping burgers, waiting tables, or washing dishes full-time in your household, we can finally throw you off of public assistance, too. I mean, why should you be allowed to sit back and suck the system when you have an able-bodied child at home??

Sarcasm aside... we all know what children are going to be affected by the new labor law modifications. Hint: It's not the upper class kids.

I, too, am fully awake. Redefining rape, the old pimp-and-prostitute video trick, wage cuts, workers' rights, and so on, and so on, has me dizzy. Needless to say, the bee I once had in my bonnet is now a full-blown hornet nest.

How DO you do that? - sm

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On many occasions, in an effort to try to understand GOP ideas, policies, bills, etc, I have tried to adopt their mindset, but alas to no avail. Just cannot manage to turn myself inside out to the degree such an undertaking would require. You, on the other hand, have it down to an art form. Their endless search for cheap labor had occurred to me, but you turned these child labor proposals into full-blown solutions to their most challenging dilemmas that create countless avenues to maximized profits and GOP political capital to boot! The only thing I am left wondering is if there is any republican in the house who has anything to add or is willing to even try to explain the reasoning behind this bizarre desire to take us back 100 years and enslave our children in the process. Tea party input would be welcome, since Mike Lee, their Tenther golden boy from Utah, has declared repeatedly that the child labor laws are unconstitutional.

In a few of your past posts, you wished you could write better. This is brilliant political satire. I don't think Jon Stewart could have done better. I wouldn't change a thing.

Never could figure it out. Here the US has all the tools & - resources to move into a brighter, - sm

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more prosperous future, and instead, it seems hellbent on going nowhere but BACKWARDS. Back to child labor. Back to sweatshops and laborer exploitation. Back to women being slaves to their own reproductive systems. Back to coathanger abortions. Back to the days of only the rich being able to afford to see a doctor, and the poor just.... dying. Back to a wink and a nod between the filthy rich and the politicians, as the majority of the country suffers more and tries to get by with less and less each year. Back to no checks and balances, no separation of Church and State. Back to ignorance and darkness, because "science and knowledge are SCARY!" Back to the Dark Ages.

That's something I never could figure out about the GOP. They seem to be against any kind of social, moral or intellectual progress. Instead, the only thing that seems to matter to them is accumulating as much wealth as possible, and then keeping it all for themselves.

GOP must mean "Greedy Orwelian Predators".

Divide, dumb down, conquer and control is the name of their game. - Greed Over Progress

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While they busy themselves perverting the Constitution for short-term political gains, it would do the rest of us good to recall that other instrumental document our founding fathers put forth.

"....We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security..."

(LOL!) You also just described most MTSOs! - The parallels are amazing, arent they? nm

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First of all... - no1joe

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I ADORE Jon Stewart, so thank you. I'm blushing!

Second of all... read the following link (hopefully it works). It's particularly infurating when you read all of what is being removed (everything in the [brackets] could potentially go bye-bye). That stuff was put there to protect children in the first place!! It's downright sad. No age/hour limit, no work permits... it's a recipe for disaster. Especially when you look at the fact that the work permits are being issued by someone at the school level; someone who could potentially step in with a "Wait a minute... if you work during school hours, you're not getting an education. What are you doing??" If the child was applying for a permit because of family financial issues, they could be directed to other resources in order to help instead of blowing off the education process. Again, the upper-class children will NOT be affected by this (unless you count securing a spot in whatever college they choose getting a little easier... less competition and all). Just feel better that they are looking out for the child actors... phew *wipe sweat off brow*

http://www.senate.mo.gov/11info/pdf-bill/intro/SB222.pdf

BTW, in some cases, putting yourself in their shoes is easy: Just try being transparent and greedy. Keeping the mindset of "securing someone's place at the bottom secures my place at the top" doesn't hurt either. Role reversal can be fun!

All I an say is this is a very, very strange twist on the - family values theme. Appalling.

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For the life of me, I still cannot understand the motivation. Could someone from the grand ole party please explain this to me?

George Bush the First was the 'family values' guy. - me

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He was the last old-fashioned moral Republican, I think. The new batch is a strange, evil breed. They are servants to the people with money.

As are the dems. They all are a strange and evil breed. - Backwards Typist

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If they don't serve their own interests, they are serving those who have interests that are not good for the country but...our elected officials are all blind to that fact.

Just a thought here. - sm

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How old were many of us when we had our first paying job? I was 14 and I baby sat for the kids around my neighborhood. Why? Because my parents refused to buy me everything I wanted. They thought it was good for me to learn work ethic early on and save up to buy certain things I wanted. Later on in my high school career (age 16) I got a job at a home equity business filing and answering the phone in the evenings. I saved most of my money from that job and put it in my savings account because I knew my parents weren't going to pay for my college for me. My senior year in high school I got into a work program were I left school 2 hours early and went straight to work and didn't get off of work until 8 p.m. I graduated at the age of 17. Paid for my college in full with MY OWN money. Graduated college the 2nd highest GPA in my class.

The whole point of this story....I learned young that I had to EARN the things I needed. It wasn't handed to me. Kids nowadays want everything given to them and sadly most parents give in. Kids have no work ethic. They have no idea what it is like to work hard and earn something and sadly our country has turned into a gimme gimme gimme country. What can I get for free? Who owes me? Give me free stuff and I want what Sally down the road has...I deserve it....blah blah blah.

It wouldn't hurt some of these kids to get a job. How many of us detassled corn for farmers at a young age? My husband started bailing hay when he was 13. It isn't gonna kill these kids to work a little and see what life is really like.

It isn't like we are enslaving children and making them work but giving them the option to work...I have no problem with that.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with... - no1joe

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work ethic, so please don't fall for the sugar coating being provided in order to justify this.

Little background on myself: I started working in my grandfather's deli at age 12. At age 14, I started working in a local bakery and worked there throughout high school. I also worked my way through college. I learned excellent work ethics at a young age WITH child labor laws protecting my interests and safety. I had to get working papers. I was not allowed to work during school hours. I was not allowed to work past a certain time at night. Basically, I was not allowed to be taken advantage of!

Please read the link, keeping in mind that everything in the brackets could potentially be REMOVED! This does NOTHING to instill work ethics in children (which is ultimately a parent's job, dontcha think?). If anything, it leaves children wide open to be taken advantage of AND could potentially encourage full-time employment over education (which is especially sad if it's done out of family necessity).

http://www.senate.mo.gov/11info/pdf-bill/intro/SB222.pdf

There's another aspect to this that I won't mention, although I find it particularly infuriating, because I don't want to hear any lip about my POV. In short, I've looked at this from every angle, and the only thing good about it is ummm... well... NOTHING.

Same here. Babysitting age 11, shoe store accts receivable at age 15 - through a high shool program

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which found jobs for students enrolled in Distributive Education, waited tables in the summer, graduated age 17, moved into my own place while in college and worked on and off campus every single semester and summer. I too had the same protections under child labor laws no1joe enumberated.

My experience taught me a strong work ethic as well, but I also learned that ALL my previous employers (including the parents for whom I babysat in my early teens) would not hesitate to take advantage of my next-to-nothing pay requirements, enthusiasm, gumption, physical stamina and naivety. I also vividly recall receiving unwanted sexual advances from employers while still in high school and being stalked by one boss who wanted to transfer me from the dining room into the bar/lounge right after I turned 18, a full 4 years under the legal age to drink, let alone work there. He would tail me from the parking lot to my car, followed me home and made hang-up calls to my mom's house (the phone # I had put on the application). I found this out from a coworker afer being there nearly a year. Needless to say, I promptly quit but he continued the stalking for another year, even on the college campus.

In other words, the work ethics the experience taught me seemed to be lacking in those who employed me. There is simply no justification for this Draconian measure which would place children at risk for exploitation in the workplace and set back our progress in labor legislation 100 years.

Gee...there is a thing called - sexual harrassment

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and you could have easily gone after your boss for that.

Gee...there is a thing called - no1joe

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being a minor! The post said " I also vividly recall receiving unwanted sexual advances from employers while still in high school..." This combined with the fact that they graduated at 17 means that they were 17 years old MAX when this occurred. To insinuate that a 17-year-old is somehow irresponsible because they don't know the law or because they're too naive to see the signs of sexual harassment is ridiculous. If you're trying to defend easing up on child labor laws, try again. This just proves the point that children need laws protecting them even more.

This person also said - sm

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that this guy called the house, etc. If I were a parent, I think I would instruct my 17 y/o child to file a complaint for sexual harrassment. Obviously her mom knew it was going on.

I understand being harrassed at work..I worked in a car dealership with 2 other ladies and a whole bunch of men. I was only 18 at the time and I had my fair share of crude comments aimed my way, etc. If it makes you uncomfortable or scares you in anyway, you do something about it.

Okay... you're right - no1joe

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Yes. A child of 17 years (and under), even though they're not sexually active... heck, they may not have even had their first kiss or steady boyfriend/girlfriend yet... SHOULD be able to identify the signs of sexual harrassment and know who to report it to... no doubt. Time to smarten up! Especially since, if the modifications we're talking about are made, kids will be able to work in the hotel service industry. Let's face facts: Not all hotels are Disney-style resorts or 4-star accommodations you can get a Priceline deal on (psssst... some of them you can even rent by the hour). So kids, while you're changing sheets and emptying waste baskets at the local motor inn, you better wise up on what sexual harrassment is all about quick, especially if you gotta clean up while the occupants are in the room.

BTW, the other person stated that the calls to her mother's house were hang-ups. I guess she should have known that it was an adult stalking her child. I mean, that's what I always think when someone hangs up on me.

Thank you for bringing a boatload of humor into an otherwise - very dark place in my past.

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You raised an excellent point about the hotel industry, especially the ones that rent by the hour.

I described the options known to me in the Gee There Was No Such Thing post below, but your back-to-the-future scenario is truly sobering. Needless to say, after that horrific chapter came to a close, whatever remnants of my childhood I may have possessed prior to it were lost forever.

That is another thing I just dont get about all the child labor regressives. What purpose is served by rushing kids into adult situations? There is plenty of time for all of that. I took great pains with my own son by allowing him to savor every single minute of his childhood and to grow up at his own pace. Consequently, he also choose to work as a teen, but at the same time he took his time growing up with my full support. At age 33, he still nurtures his "inner child." He lives independently and responsibly, enjoys his career as a sound engineer, has a happy committd relationship with his girlfriend, and is THE BOMB at the skateboard park, even as he becomes one of the elders in that setting! My wish for him is that he stays forever young. It does not seem to have done him any harm.

Now, now, no1joe, don't ya know the kids aren't - Backwards Typist

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allowed to work with hazardous materials? That would also include rent-by-the-hour hotel rooms. :-)

Look at the silver lining - sm

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If underage kids get pregnant while working in a hotel by the hour, Planned Parenthood will abort the babies and no harm done and the underaged prostitutes can go back to working like nothing happened. You talk about outrage of kids being used and yet video after video has been put out about Planned Parenthood not caring about a prostitution ring of underage girls and all they cared about was getting the girls in to abort the babies. Where is the outrage from you libs there? Talk about turning a blind eye.

Gotta love a liberal group that is more concerned about young girls getting abortions than actually stopping an illegal prostitution ring of underage girls. Wow...says a lot about you people.

Lets see here. - sm

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Wingnut articles examining the thoroughly discredited highly edited video from Live Action (been there done that) fail to point out that the worker was following protocol by informing any and all clients of their repoductive options. Thats what they do every single day on the job. They also fail to mention that the worker in question was fired and that the incident of ALLEGED (fake)underage prostitutes was REPORTED TO THE POLICE. Psssttt. Sound of hot air being expelled from phoney news stories. Personally, I think the strategy of manufacturing news to coincide with voting on social and culture war agendas while ignoring the JOBS, economy and even your own pet deficit reduction issues says a whole lot about YOU people.

Whoops. Guess you overlooked the fact that the PP-obliterating measure cleared the house and is on its way to the Senate, where it will hopefully be dealt a swift and fatal blow. If YOU people had YOUR way, education on abortion PREVENTION (birth control), safe sex, AIDS prevention, cancer screening and all other female health services would be thrown out while sending women seeking pregnancy termination to the back alleys AGAIN.

No one is turning a blind eye to THAT outrage.

You know what assuming does. - sm

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I never said I was against abortion. I'm just against an organization that has a protocol to tell would be pimps to just bring in underage girls who are pregnant for abortions. Or about the video of the young lady pretending to be 13 and told the Planned Parenthood employee that she was pregnant by a man in his 30s and the employee told her she didn't care what his age was and that if anyone asked...just say it was a boy from school who was 14 and in her grade.

You can spin this crap all you want. I'm okay with abortions done early in the pregnancy. I have no problem with the morning after pill. I'm all about teaching kids the importance of condom use as well as teaching them that abstinence is the only way to 100% prevent pregnancy and STDs....because that is true.

So stop assuming you know me and where I stand on all issues.

I never made assumptions about you personally. - sm

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I merely invoked your rhetorical divisive "YOU PEOPLE" phrase and returned the volley.

No spin needed here. Either you come down on the side of agenda-driven manufactured news (talk about spin) or you side with responsible health services. Guess you skipped the part about PP reporting the incident of the fake underage prostitute to the police as you neglected to comment on that, which speaks volumes about which side of the fence you are on. You choose phoney outrage based on fabricated news stories. I think I got it.

FYI - sm

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In September 2009 a video of two college-age women, one pretending to be 10 weeks pregnant, entered the clinic, asking if the 10-week-old fetus had a heartbeat. They were erroneously told, among other things, that babies do not have heartbeats until 17 weeks' gestation, and that an abortion is safer than childbirth.

In another hidden video from June 2008, an abortion clinic worker explained to a Live Action representative posing as a 13-year-old pregnant girl how to get an abortion out of state â�� even though the clinic worker was told the man who impregnated the girl was in his 30s.

The 13-year-old girl was NOT posing as a prostitute. She was posing as an underaged girl seeking an abortion and told a story of statutory rape and the employee...instead of getting the information and a name to turn into police....told the girl she didn't want to know and to lie about what really happened.

Why not provide the source of the warm and fuzzy - Live Action escapades?

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Could it be that if you did, they would lead us to one-sided yellow journalism?

You can cite these LA phoney set ups til the cows come home. That's your right. Some think that killing doctors who perform a LEGAL medical procedures is justified as well.

I will not be distracted by these charming anecdotes and allow them to blur the focus on the bigger picture. PP is but a small piece of that pie. Abortion is under attack by pols who are carrying out social and culture war agendas while ignoring the number one priority of the electorate, that being jobs and the economy. Dont expect those among who do not believe morality and cultural trends should be legislated to remain silent or take ANY of this lying down.

Since this post was in response to mine - no1joe

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that means every time you say "you," you're addressing me. Therefore, I feel completely justified telling you to watch your tone. I like to stick to respectful debate. I even appreciate some good old-fashioned sarcasm thrown in here and there... laughing burns calories. I have no problem whatsoever agreeing to disagree with folks on here. However, leaving a nearsighted comment concerning my opinion (which I haven't even completely shared as of yet) on a topic that has NOTHING to do with this one is unacceptable.

You're obviously peeved about something. If you want to lock horns with me regarding this issue... fine. Have at it. If you want to lock horns with me regarding Planned Parenthood... fine. Start your own post having to do with that subject. In short, stay on topic. TIA

Your post made me so angry that I donated $25 to Planned Parenthood. - me

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I've been meaning to do it anyway, but your closed-mindedness and paranoia got me off my butt. Thanks.

I love my local Planned Parenthood. I don't have any health insurance--thanks, Repubs--and the nurse practitioners at PP are the kindest most gentle people. I get all my preventative ob/gyn care there.

So thanks, again. Oh, and thank Glenn Beck, too. That seems to be where you get all your "news" from.

Ahem. They were hang up calls and I had already moved out. - My mom never knew anything.

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Not even about the abduction. NEVER.

You had already moved out - sm

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but you weren't adult enough to recognize sexual harrassment and report it. Seriously?

What part of sexual harrassment did not exist then - are you not getting?

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Talk about dense. BTW, this blaming the victim schtick is just as appalling as the child labor law proposals. There was NO ONE to report it to.

You were kidnapped and held for a month - sm

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and there was no one to report it to? Ever heard of a cop? I do believe that kidnapping was a crime back in the '60s and '70s.

Thats odd. I thought were were talking about serial rape. - sm

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being beaten up and death threats if I told anyone. I had no evidence supporting a kidnapping charge either. Besides, bringing charges would have meant I had to face him and relive the ordeal in front of a courtroom full of strangers. I will say it again. If you are so prepared to doubt the story, what makes you think I could have gotten to first base 44 years ago?

I had just turned 18. Forgive me if I let fear and panic cloud my better judgment. I was a teenager who had just moved out from my parents. I wanted to live my life. I saw a chance to do that and I took it, so sue me.

The fact remains that this kidnapper and rapist was lurking in the dark shadows of my job site. None of your comments address exploitation of children in the workplace. I posted this story to show just how bad that can be and to address the issue of reversing child labor laws. Do you have anything to add along those lines?

No... they don't have anything to add - no1joe

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It's a condition called diarrhea of the mouth (or the typing equivalent). They have nothing to add to the subject but obviously enjoy speaking up and casting doubt on your your story. I see it as mean spirited.

No one was able to step up and defend this proposal. - sm

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I see that as point well taken, regardless of attempts at highjacking the post and disregard for an 18-year-old victim of a horrible crime involving three separate felony offenses.

Gee, there was no such thing in the 60s and early 70s.. - Another workforce advance

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easily taken for granted, and not very enthusiastically supported by many in the GOP, I might add. Such claims would have been either ignored or laughed out of court at the time.

Wanna know how that story ended? This boss/thug abducted me, locked me up in a garage apartment behind his house which had dead bolts and burglar bars all around, and no phone. I was held against my will for nearly a month. During this captivity, I was totally dependent upon him for my survival. He was 6 feet 4 inches tall, youngish (mid 30s), fit and strong. He repeatedly forced himself on me, essentially on a daily basis. Other times, he would bring a little food, then not show up for 2 or 3 days. Guess how I had to escape? I became "sympathetic" with my abductor by pretending to welcome his brutal assaults. Had I not done that, he would have continued to beat me up each time I talked back or tried to tell him what a pathethetic example of manhood he was (that was how the first week or so had already gone down). In court, this would have been portrayed as "playing along" or even "encouraging."

It took a couple of weeks to gain his trust and get him to treat me like a human being instead of a caged animal. One day he got careless and left the door unlocked when he left. I went to a neighbor's house and called a friend from school who, as it turned out, had enlisted in the military and was leaving for an army base in another town on his way to Viet Nam. This guy was slightly built (5 feet 5 inches, around 145 pounds). He took his life in his hands to come get me. He took me by my apartment, waited for me to pack my things. I went with him, found a place and a job and basically hid out in that town for a whole year before I could work up the courage to come back home.

I was in school at the time. That semester, I received Ws, Is and Fs on my record and I missed a whole year of school after that. I never told a soul about it, not even my mom, until I got married. I was simply grateful to have escaped with my life, which I owe to my soldier friend, who died less than a year later in the war. I never brought charges against the jerk. After all, it would have been my word against his and back in those days, that would have been a losing proposition for a woman in the absence of a witness or evidence.

The moral of this story is DO NOT EVER take your rights for granted and fight to the bitter end when someone casually steps in and tries to take them from you.

I'm sorry but this is ridiculous - sm

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You were in school and you were gone for a month and your mom didn't notice? I'm sorry but if my mom hadn't heard from me in a couple of days....she would be on the phone calling everyone she knew to see where I was and then if she couldn't find me...she'd be calling the cops. Surely you had friends who noticed you were missing? HELLO?

Then when you get free you call a friend...not the cops? If you had called the cops right away....surely you could have produced enough evidence in the guy's house to uphold your story...but whatever.

If this story is true, I'm sorry you went through that....but I must say I don't fully believe your cock n bull story...but whatever.

Save me the bashing...I couldn't care less if you don't care what I think and blah blah blah. I'm done with this conversation.

Umm, yes, she was frantic. As for the friends at school - sm

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I am sure they were wondering where I was, if I was sick, or WHATEVER. Guess it did not occur to them that I had been abducted by my boss, locked up and stashed in a garage apartment without a phone, so no search parties were mounted.

No, I did not call the cops. I ran for my life. You just dont get what attitudes toward women and sexuality were like back then, BEFORE women's lib established hard-fought protections under the law. Evidence? What evidence? His word against mine in front of a male judge. Besides, you answered your own question about why I did not report it. You are prepared NOT to believe the story and have set out to belittle me. Guilty until proven innocent. I would have ended up being sent to a psychiatric hospital after being laughed out of court. Thanks for helping me prove that point.

One thing is obvious from your post. You even said it yourself. You could care less. I have nothing to add to that, but you are right about one thing. We are done here. I am not about to plead my case with the likes of you.

Random - Doxie lover

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I now realize I am posting backwards because I am reading these in reverse order so I will shut up now and go to bed like a good little old lady. HOWEVER....to back up my point about political correctness, while such things are necessary to a point, they have now tilted the other way. In my company's effort to get rid of all of us over 55 who were making too much money....one lady got the axe because she bumped into a younger girl by accident, said "Oh I'm sorry honey, are you ok?" The girl filed sexual harrassment for being called "honey" and the employee that had bumped her got fired for calling her Honey. So while controls and laws were necessary, I believe many of them have gone too far. Have a nice night ladies. Play nice.
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I wonder if our gov'mt realizess that what is happening - in Egypt could just as easily happen here.

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And more and more lately, especially with the likes of what you talk about in your post, I think there SHOULD be a revolution here. Our government is becoming JUST AS CORRUPT as those in most third world countries.

Your average working (or unemployed) American citizen has just about had it up to here with what has happened to our largest population - the middle class. We're being relegated to working poor, or just plain destitute, while the fat cats at the top of the pay scale laugh all the way to their Swiss banks.

We wouldn't even have to riot in the streets to attain a change in government, either. If most US citizens stopped work, stayed home, got on Twitter and became a solid, united entity, we could bring anything to its knees, including our own government.

So yes, if they're going to keep on doing like they've been doing for the last decade or so, then they should all start looking over their shoulders and packing their bags.

Oh dream on. ..and comparing this to Egypt is really - pathetic. At least be realistic.nm

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I'm sure Egypt had its spineless naysayers, as well. - Our situations are both different and the same.

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If Americans don't speak out and stand up for themselves, then they can't expect things to ever get any better. And when a man's hope is lost, that's when he becomes dangerous.

There is no comparison. Americans already have the - right to speak out, and most are spoiled.nm

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We don't have nearly as much rights as we think we do. - If being "spoiled" means we have - sm

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enough food on our tables, and enough left over after the bills are paid to start a small savings account, and can afford to keep a roof over our heads, then yeah, I guess I'm "spoiled".

No! All the people who spend WAY above their means, - then in these rough times, they

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were never prepared for a rainy day. I have worked with plenty of them. .. having too many cars, kids, big screen tv's they cant afford, then whine when they must live paycheck to paycheck. They make these choices then need the rest of us to bail them out, the ones who have lived responsibly, smartly, modestly. Someone comparing this to Egypt, where people live on about 2 dollars a day, is pathetic.

WRONG! Unions are bankrupting the nation. They - abuse this country! nm

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Nope. BIG BUSINESS, corrupt banks, and schizoid - Stock Market are abusing this country. nm

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States are going under due to unions. They used to be - Will

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a "good" thing, but no longer. Unions constantly demand rights that no one in the private sector gets. You need to look at facts, not just spew when you have no clue

They're going under due to over-paid politicians and - management. What union workers get - sm

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is FAIR COMPENSATION for the work they do, and some security for the future. They get healthcare, safer working conditions, and someone to keep an eye on their employers. Allowing employers to self-regulate such things is like letting the fox guard the henhouse.

LOL! I know union workers who are the laziest people - on earth and would NEVER work for

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a private company where you have to work because you have a conscience or actually have to PAY for your own health insurance. Unions will become a thing of the past. Our country is going downhill, and the unions are assisting plenty. People's "rights" have turned into abuse of the whole system. Its hurting the USA, not helping anymore.

I'm sure you do. And I know union workers who bust - their butts every day, just like we do. The only

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difference is, after they bust their butts, they have at least a little something to show for it, and an opportunity to retire one day. All I have to show for it is unpaid bills, constant worry and insecurity, and the knowledge that I will have to work til I die.

Sounds like unions didnt help you either then. - BMW

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We can all go through hard times, and I may have to work the rest of my life too, but unions are not the answer. They are bankrupting individual states. They have become a burden and not used the way they were initally meant to.. to protect employees from abuse. Now, they tie the hands of everyone else, demand their health insurance be paid for, dont want to contribute a dime without striking? Shameful.

My dad worked in a GM plant for 35 years. - sm

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My dad was a hard worker. He worked salvage in the plant. If overtime was given, he worked it. He paid his union dues. His biggest complaint about the union was that it kept the company from firing lazy workers.

What many people don't get...this isn't about the union workers. It isn't the union workers that are the problem. The problem lies mainly with the fraud and theft that goes on in the unions and these union bosses making massive salaries. THAT is the problem!!! The amount of money these unions give to politicians to contribute to their campaigns would be more than enough to handle the union workers pensions, etc. Perhaps we should look into that. Perhaps these union workers should complain to the union bosses about that...but they don't.

What amazes me is that you - sm

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are willing to call CEOs crooks...which some are...complain about big banks and yet you have no problem with these union bosses making an absolutely ridiculous amount of money in salary...not to mention all the crooked things with a lot of stolen money that has happened in unions.

I agree that some CEOs are completely greedy and make a ridiculous amount of money. I am annoyed that banks were doing high risk things that caused our country total chaos...although our government did have a hand in that.

Why don't you see that unions are a part of the problem as well? Being for the working men and women is just a side job for unions anymore. Their main goal is for the bosses to make huge amounts of money for their salary and use union money to pay off politicians. I just don't understand why you guys can't see that.

You guys all talk about the evil rich people...well those union bosses are a portion of those evil rich people...and guess what....they are democrats...OMG..did I just say that outloud?

Wake up people!

I would never belong to a union again. They are basically - thieves...almost a cult.nm

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Depends on the union. But I also think it's possible - to develop a new type of union - sm

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one that has more control by the workers, less opportunity for corruption by leaders and higher-ups. If a better government can be formed, and a better mousetrap can be invented, then a better, less radical union can be formed, as well.

Did you read the law yourself? - Backwards Typist

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It won't copy here, but take the time to read the law, and note the changes.

http://www.senate.mo.gov/11info/pdf-bill/intro/SB222.pdf

It won't copy here, but take the time to read the law, and note the changes.

http://www.senate.mo.gov/11info/pdf-bill/intro/SB222.pdf

Ignore my post. I see no1joe posted the link. (nm) - Backwards Typist

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