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Romney says 47% will vote for Obama who believe they

Posted: Sep 18, 2012

From The Atlantic yesteryday: "The political world is in a tizzy over hidden-camera footage of Mitt Romney at a fundraising event. Here's the money quote -- literally -- from the Mother Jones scoop:

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what ....These are people who pay no income tax.

As a moderate liberal/progressive ive who's been paying income tax since I was 16 and will not be voting for Mr. Romeny, I'm wondering where on earth I fall in this, 47% plus me, or are there other income tax payers who won't vote for him?

Link below to the rest of a very informative and readable article on Mitt Romney's attitude toward what he sees as a "group" who won't vote for him.

My suspicion is that this weirdly defined construct actually reflects Mr. Romney's views toward all non-Mormons, conservative and liberal, who accept paying into centrally administered government funds instead of centrally administered Mormon church funds plus private savings accounts, i.e. people of his own faith. If so, what does this mean for his agenda as president?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/where-are-the-47-of-americans-who-pay-no-income-taxes/262499/

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if Romney's assessment isn't stupid enough... - sm

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consider this: He has just basically proven to the entire nation, as well as the republican party, that nominating him was a big waste of time and money - since all Obama has to do is capture 4% of the remaining vote to win. That was easy. Thanks Mitt.

No, his number is bogus. His contempt is for the half of the voters - who will not vote for him, described as parasites.

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Problem is, to start, that everyone who is employed (vast majority of voters) pays or, if elderly or disabled, once paid into Social Security and Medicare.

The vast majority of those who owe no federal income tax at the end of the year are poor, as in a family of 4 with an income of $27,000 or below. Many are elderly with almost no income. We give those people deductions so that they can use the money to keep themselves alive.

Plus, most poor people live in red states and will vote for him.

No, he is speaking in code again because even at a private party honesty would have been dangerous: That 47% number he uses directly refers to Obama voters who want to maintain safety net programs, particularly Social Security and Medicare. The rest of the contemptuous message about parasites on the system refers to all people across the political spectrum, conservative and liberal, who like programs like Social Security and Medicare and want to keep them.

totally agree with you - (was being facetious above)

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;)

And then of course... - there's that large percentage

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who consider themselves repubs who are now living or have taken government handouts (including SS, medical care, schools, FEMA, etc.) when times got tough. This is the saddest group of all, because they will continue to support people who basically think they are trash to be manipulated and then forgotten. Then there are the "religious" who think a guy who gets huge donations from pornographers and casinos is AOK. The hypocrisy is mind-boggling!

I wish someone would answer this for me... - sm

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If 47% of the people pay no income taxes because they are too poor, and the very poorest states are mostly in the south, why is it that almost all of those poorest states have republican governors and vote solidly for the republican presidential candidate? I don't get it.

Nobody claims red-state people are happy to need - assistance or that taking it means approval. SM

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I.e., being poor doesn't mean you can't be conservative, and honestly so. In fact, there's a very strong correlation between lower income levels and strongly conservative views.

Personally, as a lifelong liberal I despise the type of conservative (or liberal) who votes progressive because there's money in it for him. Give me a principled conservative who resents public aid AND votes against it any day.

This is mostly a matter of race. - Back before the civil rights

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the south did vote Democrat, in fact this voter block was called the Dixiecrats. When JFK, LBJ, etc pushed civil rights, repubs moved in and made race a wedge issue, basically pitting poor against poor, white against black. They still use this kind of cynical manipulation, only these days it is with gay rights. Trust me, pubs have no one's interest except the 1%, so Romney is their perfect candidate, except is completely clueless and unlikeable.

Racism is just a tool being used to get other conservatives - to shaft themselves for the 1% of the 1%.

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The prize here is money. So much that even multimillionaires have trouble imagining it. There are enormous profits to be mined from privatizing Social Security and Medicare, i.e., allowing profiteers to get their hands on our money, charge us for it, and then transfer it to themselves when the markets don't do so well and our individual accounts don't either.

Because Romney has nothing but contempt for - sm

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people who don't earn more than $200,000 a year, even if many of them DO live in the red states.

He's spitting in their faces, and they still rush to vote for him.

I'll never understand it.

Mormons do not need public programs so much because they - cover themselves through their church and

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private savings accounts, and they are very supportive of each other within the Mormon community. Of course, they do draw on them like the rest of us when needed, even if the church does counsel about the "evils of a dole" and counsel people to turn to their families for help. If, however, they didn't have to pay into state and federal programs with the rest of the populace, they'd have a lot more money for themselves and their church.

So if Mormons are taken care of by their church... - (and more power to them)

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...because they all pitch in to help each other -- hmmm, couldn't that almost be considered (shudder) socialistic?

PERISH THE THOUGHT!

Right, and try getting Mormons or any other church - for that matter providing

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medical care if it comes to more than a few dollars and some canned goods. And while we're talking parasites not paying taxes, don't get me started on churches! Ay carumba!

I also am offended by some churches taking care of small - parts of problems then saying

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the programs that provide healthcare, food, clothing, and shelter for the vast majority of people in need aren't necessary and even should be cancelled. Charity is good whoever it comes from, and only some churches advocate eliminating the big effective programs, but my gripe is definitely with those.

Like the selectively charitable group in my gardening club who saw nothing wrong in a pretty young blonde mother with cancer having to literally stand in front of their congregation and beg for help. They helped her, all right. We all of us through our taxes paid most of her medical, but their fundamentalist church made her a project, bought her a brand-new home, new car, new furniture, descended on a loving energetic group to landscape the new yard, all new toys for the kids, etc. Lovely assistance for a person who really could use a break. Except...what about all the others in desperate need--just those in their own community even? Or just those who are hungry once again after the special Thanksgiving giveaway package is gone?

When I pay happily into government programs to help people like her, and all the others, it's with no strings and for everyone who qualifies. It recognizes that people need at least something to eat every single day. Recipients don't have to humiliate themselves before me. They don't have to beg anyone at any point. They don't have to charm me. They don't get more help if they're pretty, or less if they're a nasty old sourpuss whose family dumped him decades ago. They don't have to pretend to share my religious beliefs or listen to my religious spiel. Aid for people of a free society who take care of each other.

It's theocratic socialism. Their choice, and works for those - who believe and obey. Mormons by and large

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are disciplined, steady workers, keep their house clean, save more than they blow, take care of their families, etc. I've known a lot of Mormons, and as a group they are admirable in a lot of respects.

As a pragmatic liberal, I like to use any tool that works well, regardless of label, including our 200-year-old socialist U.S. Postal Service. However, since I'm not planning to convert and buy into their pool :), I need to be concerned about protecting the bigger pool I have been paying into all these years from those who will destroy it if they can.

As usual, only a portion of the video was printed. - backwards typist

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It's written on the video itself. Watch the whole video, please. Here, let me help you with the right one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvqHERTcytI

Ummm... the link you provided is what's been all over the news and does not help Mitt - look any better

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Is that what you were going for?

The article the OP posted isn't about the entire video.. it's a deeper look at the "47%," and they did not misquote him in the part they used. Did you read it?

Sorry, but there's no liberal MSM conspiracy to edit footage here to make Mitt look bad.... he's doing a great job all on his own.

Not really. I didn't see the video just heard what the media - backwards typist

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wanted everyone to hear, which wasn't all of it. I did not see the video. I just heard the story.

But, you know what? He's right. Those who don't pay income tax and those that get all the freebies wouldn't listen or vote for him anyway because R&R want to reform these programs and close loopholes in the tax code.

: o you didn't see the video? - sm

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Yet you treated us to this: "Watch the whole video, please. Here, let me help you with the right one..."

Sorry, BT, that's bad form.

the video is the same, but raises some thoughts for me... - ctmt

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It was good to hear it one more time; it helped me focus. You've probably heard this, but red states accept more in govt entitlements than the blue states - we are talking about heartland America here - and Romney just referred to nearly half of our fellow Americans as people who are dependent on the government, feel entitled to "you name it", and believe they are victims.

Lots and lots of these people helped build and pay for our roads, our parks, our bridges. They have fought our wars. They are our parents. They are our elderly. This 47% Romney is talking about is the backbone of America. This 47% is not "them" - it is "us".

I just wanted to share my view on this in the hopes of touching on some common ground.

I agree entirely. - NM

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If you go up to the OP's article - sm

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There's an update at the bottom that explains that even though more of that 47% come from red states, the low income folks from those red states tend to vote dem... they're just outnumbered by conservatives. Gives more insight into the voter suppression efforts if you think about it. Most of the people the voter ID laws would affect fall into one of the categories making up the 47%.

What Romney actually got caught doing here was trying to lump 47% of this country into the stereotypical "moocher" category to exaggerate the "welfare problem," meanwhile, the 47% includes working people, students, seniors, disabled... not just entitled moochers with flat screens purchased with "MY TAX DOLLARS!!!"

And I always thought that rich people were too smart to fall for a line like that.

SM, I don't think it's social responsibility they're buying when - they write those checks. NM

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