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Posted: Sep 5, 2011

G.O.P. vs. Obama: Disrespect or Just Politics?

By JENNIFER STEINHAUER

WASHINGTON — American presidents often have highly disagreeable relationships with members of Congress from the opposing party.

When she was House speaker, Representative Nancy Pelosi, Democrat of California verbally tormented President George W. Bush. (Ms. Pelosi’s description of Mr. Bush as “an incompetent leader” comes to mind.) Dick Armey, a Republican former lawmaker from Texas and now a Tea Party leader, referred derisively to Bill Clinton as “your president” when speaking to Democrats. President Ronald Reagan sparred often with Democrats on the Hill.

While most of those fights stemmed from deep policy divides, the relentless acrimony between President Obama and Congressional Republicans also seems strikingly personal, almost petty.

And Democrats worry that Mr. Obama, hampered, too, by his own inexperience and dispassionate style, is increasingly weakened by what they fume is a party that fundamentally disrespects him and his office. They fear the outcome as Congress and the White House face off on a host of new issues: the national deficit and finishing this year’s budget, reauthorization of a controversial federal aviation bill and the fate of the cash-strapped Postal Service. The relationship was foreshadowed in 2009 when Representative Joe Wilson, a South Carolina Republican, yelled “You lie!” during a presidential address to Congress — a remarkably rare outburst on the House floor. Since then, Congressional Republicans have turned down requests for White House meetings, refused to return the president’s call and walked out of budget talks.

Then, on Wednesday, Speaker John A. Boehner became what historians say was the first ever to tell a sitting president that no, he could not deliver an address to a joint session of Congress on the date of his choice. On Thursday, Representative Joe Walsh said in a Twitter message that he would fly home to Illinois rather than serve as “a prop of another one of the president’s speeches.”

It seems they simply do not like the man.

Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the minority leader, said this year that his first goal was to see Mr. Obama defeated.

“The closest we have come to this was Tom DeLay’s hatred for Clinton when he demanded impeachment of him,” said Norman Ornstein, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative research group. “But that was one guy or a handful. Now it is much more widespread, and the toxicity is, and culture is different now.”

Mr. Ornstein pointed to the fight over the payroll tax cut sought by the Obama administration — one that many Congressional Republicans supported in 2009 but oppose now — as an example of Republicans’ opposing Mr. Obama even when they had agreed with him on a policy. Mr. Obama has had his own contributing role. Often when he has met with Republicans he has taken a scolding tone that irks them. Even some of his fellow Democrats viewed his attempt to schedule an address on job creation before a joint session of Congress next Wednesday — the same night as a major Republican presidential debate — as clumsy if not downright rude. It then became embarrassing when Mr. Obama capitulated and changed the date to Thursday at 7 p.m., as Mr. Boehner wanted.

But the dynamic, which Democrats largely blame Republicans for, has irked many of them, especially on the Hill. “I think it is unprecedented of a leader in the Senate of either party to say the most important goal he has is to make the current president a one-term,” said Senator Barbara Boxer, Democrat of California. “That is about respect, that is about priorities and it is just wrong.”

Julian E. Zelizer, a political scientist at Princeton, said that when it comes to Mr. Obama, Republicans “just keep gaining confidence to force his hand.”

“While there might be a few people whose words have become nastier than usual, I think this is really the new normal in Washington with a president who is always on the ropes,” Professor Zelizer said. “I am not convinced that is about lack of respect so much as the feeling that this is a weak president. If the president seemed more powerful they would have returned the call.”

Indeed, Mr. Boehner’s spokesman, Kevin Smith, said there was nothing personal about the disputes. “While they may have different visions for the role of government in our country,” Mr. Smith said, “the speaker has great respect for the president, likes him personally and looks forward to hearing his speech next week.”

The White House press secretary, Jay Carney, said Thursday that the administration spent “zero” time worrying about whether Republicans in Congress are showing the president the respect that the office deserves. “You guys care much more about this than we do,” he scolded reporters who asked about the relationship between Mr. Obama and Congressional Republicans.

The president himself eschews making things personal, so his aides follow suit — at least when it comes to any hint that his critics’ attacks are for reasons other than his policies.
There is the persistent and deeply uncomfortable question of race. Many African-Americans, including black lawmakers, and even white Democrats, have complained that some of the disrespect for Mr. Obama stems from distaste among some whites at the idea of seeing a black man in the Oval Office.

“I think people want to not deal with that issue,” said Representative Raúl M. Grijalva, Democrat of Arizona. “But I think, like it or not, some of the disrespect — and I stress some, not all — stems from the discomfort of having a person of color be president of the United States.”

Many Republican members “don’t respect him,” Mr. Grijalva said, adding, “Not even in our worst days as Democrats did we demean and attempt to cripple the office of president.”
Mr. Grijalva and Representative Keith Ellison of Minnesota have sent a letter pressing Mr. Obama to be “bold” in his address to Congress on Thursday on job creation and the economy.

It has been frustrating, especially to the more liberal corners of the Democratic Party, including Mr. Grijalva, that Mr. Obama has not taken on his opponents more forcefully. “I support him,” he said of Mr. Obama, “but he has got to take the fight to them.”
But White House officials, echoing their boss’s aversion to suggestions of racism, never play that card, not even in private conversations with reporters.

One administration official said that Mr. Obama “made it clear” when he came into office “that there wouldn’t be people crying wolf on race every day.”

Helene Cooper contributed reporting.

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I for one wish they would do away with parties. Vote for a person because of their record, not what party they belong to. The only thing these parties seem to be doing is stirring up hatred (on both sides). People like to throw around buzz terms (on both sides) even when it does not fit the circumstances. I remember how disrespectful people were to President Bush and President Clinton too. A president is a human being too and often times they make mistakes, but more times than not they don't say, "I made a mistake. I was wrong". In fact, no president to this date has ever admitted they made a mistake or was wrong about something. As for President Clinton I really did not care what he did in his personal life or how many women he was with. However, what was concerning to me was the policies he put into place, high taxes, etc. Issues that actually affected my life. Monica Lewinsky and Jennifer Flowers and the other woman did not affect my life. Higher taxes and being in the poor house did.

I think people are tired of the lies from the leaders, and the lies are so blatantly obvious that they are pretty much saying "yeah, I'm lying to you, so what".

For instance on the last point of the post about Mr. Obama making it clear about not crying wolf on race every day, I find that to be one of the biggest lies, because in fact they are using it every day and using it as a fear tactic, i.e. Don't like that you have to pay higher taxes? Your a racist, or you don't like the Health care bill? Your a racist, or "You don't like this or that (policy wise), Your a racist". I have never heard so many people being called a racist on issues that have nothing to do with racism that the really true racism issues are not taken seriously anymore, and that is a sad thing. Being called a racist now adays just doesn't mean anything anymore because more times than not the issues are not about race.

I think as for "personal attacks" against Mr. Obama, there are no more than the personal attacks against Mr. Bush.

Generally people who are unhappy and don't vote for a president will call them "your" president when speaking, because that is true. Many times I heard President Bush referred to as "your President". I don't remember it with Clinton, but I'm sure there were. After all if you don't vote for a person and they don't work for you then they really are not that persons president. They are just "the" president sitting in the office. The last president I remember ever being truly for the people of the country was President Kennedy. Many spoke very highly of him. Even my parents who didn't vote for him respected him and the job he was doing. Since him, however, we really have not had a president who showed they truly cared for the people of the country, except President Reagan (was proud to serve in the military under him). I really like him as a president because he showed every day how much he cared for the people. His wife I was not wild about and didn't think she showed that she cared about the people. I think President Clinton cared to some extent, but certainly not Hillary. Now though, it seems to be getting worse as time goes on. I wish it was different. I wish there was a politician that truly cared. I wish that people in congress were more interested in serving the people rather than getting richer and taking care of themselves. I wish the racism issues would be reserved for true cases of racism instead of using it as though its a fear tactic. I wish when a candidate running for president say they will work across the isles (with everyone) that they truly would and not meet behind closed doors and leave important politicians out of the meetings they need to be in. I wish there were no backroom deals and pay offs if people vote a certain way. I wish the people who claim people are "smearing" or picking on Obama would remember the same was done to Bush. The hypocrisy and double standards are so strong.

I think many people don't respect the decisions he is making, but we all have to remember that he truly does not have the final call on the issues. He does exactly what he is told to do by his bosses. Same as Bush did. Disrespecting the man is one thing, disrespecting the decisions is another. I haven't heard the same level of disrespect towards the man Mr. Obama that I did with the man Mr. Bush. Nobody calls Mr. Obama stupid, ignorant, a hick, Dumb-ya, smirky the chimp, embarrassment in chief, dead brain, the Furor, etc. President Bush was so hated. I don't see as much hatred. What I do see is people questioning his actions like bowing to other countries leaders, giving speeches telling other countries that Americans are lazy and greedy, and things like that, which are different than him personally.

I find it ironic that the people who protested against the patriot act when Bush was president now are okay with it under Obama. When one side does something they scream and shout, but when the other side does the same exact thing (no matter what party), they are okay with it. I'm hearing stories of people who have woken up to the lies. Said, he promised our community this or that now realize it was all a gimick to get elected.

It's just a sad time in our country that people are so divided and ready to commit violent acts towards another human being all over a political party, and yet no leaders in our country is trying to help. Nobody is standing up for the people, but instead throwing out words hoping to inspire fear to shut the other side up. I think it's just a very sad time for our country. One day I hope to see a leader stand up for the people and say something is wrong and here is how it can be fixed instead of accusing others of things they are not doing.

obama - Dish

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why is this political doodoo here--this is a work blog Get off. stay off and Move On

What are you talking about? - You are posting on the political forum.

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All things political belong here. If you have a problem with that, make sure you know where you're at next time you post.

I personally feel there is a lot of - disrespect going on

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from both sides. I've heard nothing but name calling, bashing, nit picking from both sides of the fence. No party is better than the other on this one.....although it appears that a lot of people....even people on this board.....only seem to notice the disrespect aimed at their own party and that's it.

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