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Posted: Dec 27, 2013
...this country in the process of ransoming off the children of the future. The ONLY lie he didn't tell was how he was going to "fundamentally change America," Yes, we are on our way to being the former USSR!;
Unfortunately, I agree with you. I also believe he (sm) - msg
[ In Reply To ..]planned this, but for what purpose exactly? I have a lot of half-thoughts and ideas, but I'd like to hear if anyone else has any.
Gee, could it be as simple as he wants - Libby
[ In Reply To ..]all Americans to have healthcare coverage?
No, that would indicate that he's a good, decent, COMPASSIONATE man, and we certainly can't have him being THAT!
No, it must be something, no matter how twisted and convoluted, that shows how EVIL he is.
Yeah, that's the ticket!
Sheesh!
By the way, it cost this country BILLIONS of dollars when the republicans shut down the government. I guess that was money well spent, though, right?
Just exactly what percentage of our budget will be going to healthcare? Do ANY of you know?
Get off your high horse, Libby - sm
[ In Reply To ..]The Republicans didn't shut down the gov't., Libby. Your resident in the White House shut it down. Face reality.
She's going to have to fall off that horse... - sm
[ In Reply To ..]...before she gets stunned into reality. B.O. and his fellow whiners didn't want to budge one inch. THEY caused the shutdown. It was their way or no way. If they would have agreed to a 1-year delay of the ACA, which was the sane and reasonable thing to do, this whole LIE could have been averted...at least until next year. If you like your health plan, yada yada yada...
President Obama didn't give into the Rs blackmail. (SM) - Libby
[ In Reply To ..]I love all these statements about high horses and "stunned into reality."
If a liberal approached you like that, they'd be gone from this board in a heartbeat!
I personally feel sad for you, that that's the only way you can communicate. It's really pathetic.
What supposed black mail are you talking about - please enlighten us
[ In Reply To ..]If you are talking about the republicans doing their jobs and representing us the way we hired them to, well I don't call that blackmail. I call that working for the people trying to make our lives better, like we elected them to do.
For crying out loud, it's HISTORY. If you don't - Libby
[ In Reply To ..]remember these recent events, then look them up.
I won't be so rude as to suggest "spoon feeding Rs" as someone wrote on this board about liberals. I might want to if I was boiling mad that those people "beneath" me are finally receiving decent healthcare (like the Rs feel, you know, that "47%" of us out there).
But I'm very, very happy that Obamacare has a lot of people signing up and finally getting good quality healthcare.
I agree with the Pope 100%, and I'm not Catholic.
Are you sure it's "good quality healthcare"?? - Why, did Obama say that? (sm)
[ In Reply To ..]When the horse is too high, some get knocked off.
If you can cut the rude insults, maybe we can have - Libby
[ In Reply To ..]an insult-free discussion that might actually add something of substance to this board.
First you must stop the shouting. - nm
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For crying out loud. I remember recent events alright - Person you replied to
[ In Reply To ..]I remember the shut down the democrats caused. I remember the numerous suggestions the republicans have been trying to make to make health care affordable for us. I remember the elections where republicans were voted in to represent us and do the job we elected them to do.
I don't know what comments you are referring to us. My post was the first time I posted, so whatever was written was not written by me.
I don't know about people finally receiving decent healthcare. I have not heard that yet. The healthcare bill and people signing up has just been happening within the last month, so there have been no reports of anyone actually receiving healthcare. BTW, in case you didn't know this, health care was decent before this fiasco began. People were going to the ER and being treated whether or not they had health care and it has always been "decent". There is a difference between calling up and filling out a form to get health insurance and actually physically receiving health care from a doctor. Whether or not it is going to be decent is something we will have to wait on. Especially with the mass exodus of physicians leaving the field or not accepting the govt handouts.
Don't know what 47% you are talking about. I do know about the 1% under the democrats that won't be affected by this.
As for recent news, have you not heard there are now more people uninsured (including me as one of the latest victims) than there were before this all began. People had healthcare, now they don't.
As for the pope, I'm not catholic nor am I a socialist. It doesn't matter what he says. God is within me and He is always with me, and I let God guide my beliefs. America is not a catholic country so people should keep their religious beliefs to themselves or on the religion board.
These are the recent events I know too. I really (sm) - Abby
[ In Reply To ..]can't wait to hear about all the "quality, affordable healthcare" that people will be getting come the beginning of the year. I can't wait. I want to see especially how that mother with the little boy with leukemia who is 3 fares with having to travel to a hospital far from his home to receive the same treatments he was getting before - that is, IF he can even get it now. If I hear any stories of the people who have been cancelled, due to this "quality affordable care" that is being shoved down our collective throats, I'll report back. Seems the ones who have done the responsible thing all along and paid for their healthcare are the ones who are getting the Obamashaft in this one.
The reason for the government shutdown - sm
[ In Reply To ..]was the Republicans wanting to refuse funding for the ACA in the budget.
Since all their attempts at repealing the ACA failed, they foolishly expected Obama to willing sign a bill that would defund his signature legislation. Like what was said on this board before it was Ted Cruz and his filibuster that is responsible.
not the person you replied but you said - sm
[ In Reply To ..]that the Republicans trying to make your lives better, like you elected them to do, their agenda is laid out in the URL that I posted below.
Most people agree, the shutdown was the - Republicans' doing.
[ In Reply To ..]And no, I'm not Libby.
You should modify that... - sm
[ In Reply To ..]..by stating most liberals agree the shutdown was the repubs' doing while most nonpartisan, unbiased people do not!
Believe what you want. - sm
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Thanks for the link. I wonder how many will read it. (NM) - Libby
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Yes, believe what you want - Food for thought
[ In Reply To ..]I read your article, then did some research of my own:
Since September 20th, House Republicans have passed numerous bills to keep the government funded. Senate Democrats have rejected most of these bills, and are refusing to even negotiate with the House over the differences. Below is a rundown of the various proposals to fund the government and key agencies during the shutdown:
THE DEMOCRAT SHUTDOWN
http://www.humanevents.com/2013/10/16/why-the-dems-are-responsible-for-the-shutdown/
Even now, as the threat of a "government shutdown" looms, Obama - along with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. - are fighting tooth and nail to keep Obamacare alive. And because they are, it is they - not Republicans - who will ultimately be responsible for the consequences of any resulting shutdown.
http://www.absoluterights.com/obama-and-democrats-will-be-responsible-for-any-govt-shutdown/
There is no way around it. If the government shuts down for a few days the blame should rest squarely on the shoulders of the democrats. There is no other place to put the blame.
http://jlue.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/democrats-responsible-for-government-shutdown/
What is overlooked by the media and of course ignored by the Senate Democrats and President Obama is that the Constitution clearly gives the right to appropriate money to the House. So, when the House appropriates money to run the government but not to implement Obamacare, it is wholly within its constitutional rights. When the Senate and the President refuse to recognize the House's constitutional rights, it is they who are causing the governmental shutdown. Dr. Thomas Sowell explains it well.
http://www.chathamrepublicans.com/archive/2013/10/obama-and-senate-democrats-rep.shtml
Those are just a few.
Even Ann Coulter - old and burned out
[ In Reply To ..]said it was the Tea Party's doing. To quote her - "I'm so proud of these Republicans." So what is she - a flaming liberal?
Ann Coulter is an idiot who doesn't know what she is talking about - so we've been told here many times
[ In Reply To ..]Now all of a sudden people quote her as though every single thing she has ever said in the past is wrong, but this one thing she's right?
mm-hmmmm, okay.
People who were paying attention know it. (NM) - Libby
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I was paying very close attention - I know - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I watched/read the news from many sites. I watched as the republicans tried to sit down with democrats and negotiate, but the democrats would not. I listened to Harry, Nancy, Obama and other democrats throw a temper tantrum and not work with republicans.
Yes, people who were paying attention know.
News flash - you don't threaten to shut down the government... - wheres_my_job
[ In Reply To ..]...because you don't like a LAW that was PASSED. This is not the way our government works. If a law passes - it's the law. You can't hold the US government hostage, to get a law repealed. It doesn't work that way.
New flash - democrats are supposed to work with republicans - I know - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Our government is supposed to work for us. We elected republicans to do a job. This isn't democrat mob where they can do whatever the heck they want. If there is a law that is passed that is unconstitutional you bet my elected officials are going to stand up for what is right. Heck, they could pass a law that it would be okay to rape white women only, or steal from wealthy peoples homes. That does not make it right.
And you don't hold the government hostage because you don't want to work with republicans. That is not the way our government is supposed to work. It's called checks and balance. There is a reason for it. Last I knew this country is not communist (yet) allowing one group to do whatever they want without any responsibilities or repercussions.
The republicans stood up for what was right. I am proud they did not bow down to the bully mentality of the democrats who ridiculed, snickered and Harry announcing how certain groups (like sick children) were not important.
The democrats decided to hold the government hostage like the petulant little children they are.
I think the voters are very intelligent and are seeing them for what they are. Nothing more than high school bullies in adult bodies threatening when they don't get their way. I'm reading the democrat party is losing the support of the voters.
Even our founding father's knew this would be a problem and why they put a clause in the Declaration of Independence stating "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government". What the democrats did in creating the shutdown falls into that area. You don't act like a dictatorship and think you can do anything you want and get away with it. Our country is not supposed to and does not work that way.
That is exactly what happened. - nm
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Um, no it's not. Facts don't lie. - or twist.
[ In Reply To ..]Facts are facts and glad its on tape.
Democrats planned this a long time ago (as in months) and had the signs all prepared. They were going to shut down government, play with our lives until the republicans gave in and gave them everything they want.
I'll never forget Harry talking about how some young boy who was ill, his life didn't matter. Also remember him telling another (thankfully on camera) "shut up or you're going to ruin this for us".
So the facts are there. Whether or not you believe them is your prerogative.
All I can say is: Ted Cruz, Ted Cruz, Ted Cruz - wheres_my_job
[ In Reply To ..]He and his cronies pushed the shutdown through - and then they were HAPPY. It's all videotaped. It's all ready to be used in an ad.
"Ted Cruz Don't Lie" - The shutdown was his project the whole time. It failed.
Ready to be used in an ad?? OMG - LOLOL - like - Hope and Change? Keep your plan? Those kind of a
[ In Reply To ..]Thanks for the laugh.
Ted Cruz - LOLOLs don't diminish the damage he's done to Republican Party - wheres_my_job
[ In Reply To ..]Obamacare is a work in progress - the website is improving - it's not going to stay the same as the bungled rollout.
Election's a ways a way - Obamacare will be functioning - but Ted Cruz's shutdown will still be...Ted Cruz's shutdown.
Ted Cruz did not shut the government down. Harry Reid and Obama - get all the credit. Pay attn.(sm)
[ In Reply To ..]and don't listen to Bohner. He's as ignorant as Harry and O.
You can't repeal a LAW by shutting down the federal government - wheres_my_job
[ In Reply To ..]That was the deal the REPUBLICANS were offering Democrats: A LAW which had PASSED (which is how our system works), AND also passed judicial scrutiny (Supreme Court), was supposed to be repealed, IN ORDER TO keep the government running.
News Flash: The government running is INDEPENDENT of ANY party's desire to repeal a law it doesn't like!
Yes, please, PAY ATTENTION TO HOW OUR SYSTEM WORKS.
All I can say is please do keep saying his name - People will remember
[ In Reply To ..]And we'll keep saying Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, bailouts, 1%ers, bankers, bowing, Obamacare, democrat shutdown, Harry stating sick children don't matter, telling others to "shut up or you're going to ruin this for us", the democrats unwillingness to work with anyone not in their party. Along with everything else that has gone wrong. Read today that 60% of the young voters who voted for him would like him, along with most of congress, recalled.
Believe you me, the country will not care about Ted Cruz come election time. They will be too focused on how the democrat party is putting them out of work and out of healthcare.
Ted Cruz is so passe. And guess what, many people supported what he did. More than you want to even know.
So go ahead, please do keep saying his name.
Benghazi will NOT get Republicans elected - wheres_my_job
[ In Reply To ..]Nor will any of the other things you list. No, "many people" did not support what Ted Cruz did.
Republicans will do everything in their power to sideline Cruz in upcoming elections. But they may not be able to. So Ted Cruz will be making his outrageous comments and turning off even more voters.
I won't have to keep saying his name...because he himself will be inserting himself in front of microphones every chance he gets, when election time rolls around.
It's not only that - Forgot one too - sm
[ In Reply To ..]It sure isn't going to help democrats. It will be a constant reminder of the failure of this administration and the lies perpetually told by those involved. I'm reading a lot of what is about to happen and just telling ya, it does not look good for your favorite team.
Benghazi is only a small portion. Americans don't take to kindly to the murder of other American citizens. Come election, people are going to remember this and who was responsible. They will also remember spying and drones.
So, please. Keep repeating Cruz' name. He was a shining light proving how ridiculous congress has become. Ted Cruz has woken the people up. More people supported what he did than you even want to believe. I believe (and have read) more and more people were and are supportive of him.
So keep it coming, keep it coming. LOVE IT!
IMO, Ted Cruz is a nonissue. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I think a lot of republicans are tired of the tea party and see it as a kind of fad that is just going to die out on its own.
This is trrue, but they have not done any damage - sm
[ In Reply To ..]that has negatively affected the American people like the democrat party has. The tea party began because of the crapola the democrat (who have now taken over by progressive/communists) party is pulling. I don't like what the tea party has turned into, but it is in no comparison the the wrong doings of the people who actually voted and are writing laws that negatively affect the country. Can't name you one thing that the tea party has done that negatively affects me personally, but I can name you 100s of things that the liberal politicians have done that have personally affected many Americans negatively.
I feel they have done damage with the shut-down, - and that is part of the reason
[ In Reply To ..]they are going to just fade away eventually. People in both parties are tired of them.
Nope, democrats were responsible. They had it planned - a long time before
[ In Reply To ..]The tea party will fade away eventually. However, come election time the voters will remember that it was the democrats unwillingness to work with or compromise for the better of the people. They played chicken with the American people's lives and didn't care how much it affected us. They didn't do without anything. In my hometown where pretty much everyone I know is a democrat, they were all talking at the store saying, gee Obama thanks for the shut down, now my son can't buy food at the base for his family. A lot of people who voted democrat really understood what was going on. And that is why I have great hopes for at election time. That there are people who have woken up and understand full well that the republicans tried to work with the democrats, they tried to do things to prevent a shutdown, but ultimately in the end it was the democrats stubborness, uncaring attitudes that they shut down no matter what the republicans did to keep government open.
Well, I guess we just have to agree to - disagree.
[ In Reply To ..]I can't say I know any democrats that solely blamed Obama for the shutdown. I don't think I met a single one. The most I can say is that some thought the whole government was responsible, democrats AND republicans.
Harry Reid made sure that no matter what..... - sm
[ In Reply To ..]the House did the government would shut down when he adjourned the Senate that Friday afternoon and instructed them to return Monday afternoon, while the House continued to work. Logistically, this action effectively ensured the shutdown. Even if the House had come up with a plan, there would have been no time for the House to send the plan to the Senate, then for the Senate to review it and return it to the House for finalization. Both parties at fault, can we at least say that?
Can only speak for myself, - NK
[ In Reply To ..]but, no, I can't at least say that. How much time did Senator Cruz's exercise in futility with his pseudo filibuster take up? How much time did the Republican-controlled House's exercise in futility take in writing bill after bill to repeal or defund the ACA? How many Republicans made the rounds of talk shows and praised the shutdown? How many Democrats?
The good thing is - it's all captured on video - so Dems can use it to make ads during next ele - wheres_my_job
[ In Reply To ..]Yes, I remember how PROUD Republicans were, and excited!, YEE-HAW!, to shut down the government! Kind of reminds me of scene in Cold Mountain, when all the confederate men are all excited about "goin' to war boys!"
I will refrain from commenting further on "Southern Strategy" of the Republican party, and how it pertains to anti-Obamacare frenzy.
That is a good thing. So the people will remember - at election time
[ In Reply To ..]and see for themselves how the democrats would not work with replicans, the nasty comments made by Harry and the uncaring tone of the democrats. The snickering and snide remarks and old fossil himself telling another democrat "shut up you're going to ruin it for us".
You don't "work with" people shutting down whole government..... - wheres_my_job
[ In Reply To ..]...because they don't like a law that was passed. That is NOT representative government, that is NOT division of power (judicial, executive and legislative).
If the Democrats had caved on this, it would have been the end of our democracy. Total utter paralysis of our government.
So, let the ads run. Just make sure Ted Cruz is front and center.
No, you don't, but the democrats did - but old news now
[ In Reply To ..]Looking forward to the next election.
No, "most" people don't agree with that - Just because you or others here
[ In Reply To ..]do does not equate to "most" people. Read up on it.
And no, I'm not the person you replied to.
I'm not on a high horse and you're not living - Libby
[ In Reply To ..]in reality.
The REPUBLICAN shutdown of the government cost $24 BILLION, and I remember seeing Boehner snickering, saying that he guessed their plan didn't work, that they "lost" their little game.
I saw that with my own eyes on TV. It was Boehner's body and Boehner's voice snickering and making the statement AFTER wasting $24 BILLION with their little trick of holding the government hostage until they got their way. Aren't you angry that they cost the government 24 BILLION DOLLARS???
So, no, I am NOT on a "high horse," but I have no idea whatsoever where YOU are.
I know you and your gang hate my guts. You've made that perfectly clear on this board, and now that I'm standing up to you, I will probably be banned, so just be patient, I'll be gone soon (simply because I defended myself against one of you), I'm sure, and you and your "friends" can continue to write the mirror images of the truth and continue on with your collective endeavors until everyone who challenges your version of the "truth" is banned.
I may as well say goodbye right now to the nice people on this board, those who can have a discussion without hostility, those who can be polite, even if we disagree. And if you're going to accuse me of starting it, I remind you of the very rude post I replied to, to begin with, accusing me of being on a "high horse" and the little echo that followed about me and my "high horse."
If I'm treated with respect, I return that respect. The same holds true for disrespect.
But I'm smiling because I know that Obamacare is already helping the people you detest so much, and I know that even more people will be helped as time goes on and the ACA improves.
You mean the DEMOCRAT shutdown that cost - 24Billion
[ In Reply To ..]The shutdown didn't just happen overnight. It was planned out months ahead of time by the democrats, initiated by the democrats and carried out by the democrats.
The democrats had all the signs and requisitions filled out months ahead of time prepared.
Even Fox News disagrees with you - they think it's Ted Cruz's baby - wheres_my_job
[ In Reply To ..]Can't edit Ted Cruz out of the picture - 'cause he was grandstanding the whole time.
Again....no the DEMOCRAT shut down - You keep repeating the same thing
[ In Reply To ..]hoping it will come true. You provide no proof of what you say. Since I watch Fox I know exactly what they were saying.
Time to move on.
Bout done here? - I can do this all day long too
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Bye. bye, Libby. - You take care now.
[ In Reply To ..]nm
What I am angry at is (not directed at you) - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I'm angry that the democrats had the shut down planned for a long time. I'm angry that the democrats would not work with the republicans for the good of the people. I watched what was going on. I didn't see Boehner snickering, but I did see fossil Harry snickering, telling other democrats when he thought the mike or camera wasn't on him. "you're going to mess this up for us". I saw heartless Harry and the democrats holding the government hostage, not working with them knowing that the republicans would give in (which of course they did because they couldn't stand to see the democrats blatant childish disrespect. Yeah, I'm angry that the democrats caused 24Billion dollars and they didn't care how much it hurt the country.
Glad you got your health insurance. Guess that's all that matters, huh? I've lost mine in this whole mess and cannot get anything to help me (you know, one of the people you consider "below you") because they just don't care. I'm still hopeful the republicans will come up with an alternative that will help the little people like me. Although I can hope all I want. If a republican comes up with something to help us the democrats won't even listen to it.
Did you apply for it? Do you live in a red state? - nm
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I tried applying. - Blue state
[ In Reply To ..]Web sites down, can't get on. Called multiple times during the days to get a recording that says "due to the high volume of calls, please call back at a later time".
So keep trying to call or applying on line. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]It shows that many, many people are interested in applying for Obamacare.
You are not alone. Others are having trouble getting through as well. So keep trying! Write to your Senator and explain this to him/her.
But keep trying. What's the problem with that unless you've really been against it all along and are now blaming the President because the program is so popular that you have to wait your turn?
Not the person you replied to but please see message. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]In the last paragraph of your post, you wrote:
"Glad you got your health insurance. Guess that's all that matters, huh? I've lost mine in this whole mess and cannot get anything to help me (you know, one of the people you consider "below you") because they just don't care."
I can understand not liking a poster but you completely twisted her words around. If you read her last paragraph very carefully, you will see that she is including herself in the 47%, and she was mocking it, not you.
I suppose there are enough reasons to not like Libby, but it's not fair to completely turn around her words. Please re-read her post which I have supplied the link.
http://general.mtstars.com/370866.html
Even Fox News says the Republicans shut down government - wheres_my_job
[ In Reply To ..]Is there some new media conglomerate even further to the right than Fox News? Hadn't heard anything...
Prove it. - nm
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Hilarious - they've been analyzing the shutdown recently - wheres_my_job
[ In Reply To ..]They were discussing the impact of the shutdown on next presidential elections, and yes, *bashing* Ted Cruz! I got a chuckle out of it, myself. Guess you missed that show - they're usually too busy bashing Obamacare to talk about anything else - but I guess I got lucky! They were also talking about Christie's chances at being President.
Repeat. - Prove it. Let's all have a chuckle.
[ In Reply To ..]nm
I'm having a chuckle - 'cause it doesn't matter if I "prove it" - wheres_my_job
[ In Reply To ..]I'll make a prediction: As the presidential election nears, we're going to be seeing a lot more criticism of Ted Cruz and his cronies from Fox News. They want to win the election, and the shutdown is an albatross around the Republican's necks.
Time will prove it to you. Just keep watching Fox News. They are going to hang Ted Cruz out to dry.
You don't actually think they have anything to back up their claims - do you?
[ In Reply To ..]It's like they make up these blanket statements and think because they said it it will come true. There are no facts to back up what they are saying. They cannot prove it.
I find it totally bizarre how they can take facts and twist them 180 degrees and come up with something totally opposite from what happened - and they actually believe it. That would be worth a chuckle if it wasn't so sad.
I'm not going back to Fox News to unearth the video for you - wheres_my_job
[ In Reply To ..]Doesn't matter what either of us say - the video clips are there, of everything. So let the attack ads fly in the next presidential elections.
For the record, Fox News IS backing away from Ted Cruz. It's just good politics now for them to do so.
Well there is that chuckle we've all been waiting for - you've stated in the past
[ In Reply To ..]you don't watch Fox. Now all of a sudden you do? Unless I see a video clip going to have to go with the don't believe it.
I think when the next election comes people will have forgotten about Ted Cruz, but even if they don't I've read that he is favored by a lot of people, so go ahead, bring on Ted Cruz. I'm sure the voters will be watching the debacle the democrats made during the shut down, the uncaring words from Harry, Pelousy's having to sign it before you read it. Think they are going to remember that OC put a lot of people out of healthcare and work. I think voters are starting to wise up. I think they are smart enough to know what is going on.
But then again that is if votes really matter.
Read carefully to comprehend - wheres_my_job
[ In Reply To ..]I have people in my life who watch Fox News religiously. Sometimes yes, I do have to be in the same room with them while they are watching Fox News - and I see and hear Fox News (although I would never call it "watching," 'cause that's like a voluntary activity, and I would never watch Fox voluntarily).
Your view of the shutdown is a minority conservative opinion. So good luck with that in next presidential election.
Not reading anything you have to say due to your - insults and snotty attitude
[ In Reply To ..]buy hey, nice twist in calling someone stupid.
Didn't read your message inside as I know it has no meaning.
Asking someone to read carefully = stupid? No, it doesn't - wheres_my_job
[ In Reply To ..]nm
You purposely forgot "to comprehend" - insults and snotty attitude
[ In Reply To ..]Yeah, that is calling someone stupid and you know it. Nice twist to cover it up.
Next time drop the snotty attitude and telling something they can't comprehend (i.e stupid) and maybe they will take your posts more seriously.
Actually, no they are not - you can't just make things up
[ In Reply To ..]Well I know MSNBC does, but facts are fact. Fox is not saying it was the GOP fault. Besides I thought I read on this board that you don't watch Fox news, so how would you know this?
"Fox News Blames Obama For Making Government ‘Slimdown’ A ‘Shutdown’
http://www.newshounds.us/_fox_news_blames_obama_for_making_government_slimdown_a_shutdown_10022013
"Republicans did not want the government to shut down. They knew they would get the blame. They were blaming themselves before the government shut down.
Now, suddenly, they are blaming Harry Reid.
If truth be told, it is Reid’s fault, but then he wanted the government shut down knowing the GOP would get the blame."
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/01/republicans-stand-and-fight-or-risk-getting-nothing-from-government-shutdown/
Like I don't know *anyone* who watches Fox News... - wheres_my_job
[ In Reply To ..]Sometimes I just can't help being around someone who does watch Fox News, and I have to hear what they are saying.
There are Fox News commentators who are turning on Ted Cruz, for taking things too far. Is it Bill O'Reilly? One of the other, er, "journalists" on Fox News? Not sure which one, but I heard and saw it and had a good laugh. Even Fox News is aware the shutdown might hurt them in next elections.
No, it's not that simple and no he does not care - whether we have
[ In Reply To ..]health insurance or not.
You have no way of knowing what he cares about. - nm
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Um, yeah I do. I listen to what he says and his actions - nm
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ransoming off the children of the future? - what?
[ In Reply To ..]what does that mean?
They have to pay... - sm
[ In Reply To ..]...for health care for the elderly, poor and lazy as well as the mounting debt incurred by BO and all his entitlements. Share the wealth, remember? Well, there will be NO wealth to share at the end of this dark road...
Don't worry, when Elizabeth Warren is President, she will set things to right - wheres_my_job
[ In Reply To ..]The only solution of course, is just go to a single-payer system. That will be a lot more affordable than Obamacare, and much better for American economy than the pre-Obamacare "system" we had.
I think liberals will have a wake up call come election time - that's why you shouldn't say
[ In Reply To ..]"when". Last I heard she is not on the ballot.
I know...
"When Brad Pitt is president"
"When Forest Gump is president"
"When Mr. Bill is president" (oh nooooooooo).
So how silly it is to say "when". Besides I read that republicans are starting to move ahead with registered voters.
We ALREADY had our wake-up call, in the last midterm elections - wheres_my_job
[ In Reply To ..]Been there, done that.
As far as "registered voter" thing goes...we'll see how voter registration laws stand up. Plenty of time for challenges between now and next election.
That's old news - the country is waking up - New wake up call
[ In Reply To ..]Reading many articles that democrats are losing voters (mostly over the disaster healthcare debacle). Republicans have a slight lead over democrats right now.
It's not a slam dunk like many liberals would like. I think what Harry and others have done do the party is really going to hurt them in the next election.
Still hopeful to see who the republican party will come up with and who the democrat party will come up with. I think if democrats want to win they have a lot of explaining and repairing to do.
I can't help but think of Karl Rove on last election night - wheres_my_job
[ In Reply To ..]He couldn't believe Obama had won - I almost felt embarrassed for him (except it was Karl Rove).
No slam dunks - Presidential elections have been running pretty close.
However, not sure Obamacare will still be a "debacle" by the time election rolls around - and there is plenty of video about the shutdown to make lots of great ads reminding exactly WHO pushed the shutdown - i.e., Ted Cruz, Republican.
That's what Obama wanted. Pubs said no. - nm
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oh please - sm
[ In Reply To ..]There were posts on here talking about how wonderful Putin is now America is on the way to being USSR - make up your minds.
Then they call democrats commies. - nm
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What I love is .. - see message ..
[ In Reply To ..]I have read on this board of a few people who Obamacare HAS helped (and I'm truly glad of that) .. but am totally amazed at how easy it is for those people to dismiss the rest of us who live in a "red" state... and who lost our decent coverage and now basically have nothing! As long as they are covered well, it's "Great!" It matters not to them that we are screwed now if we get sick.
The subsidies will decline, taxes are going up on insurers significantly in the next few years (and guess where those costs will go?) I have only heard of people it helped online here. Every single person I know is now paying more for worse coverage, or less and basically no coverage.
I keep looking for those it helped ? Does the 0.5% it helped justify the rest of us it screwed? it is NOT GOOD QUALITY AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE for the majority.
Read an article yesterday - it has cost Hawaii $292,000+ for EACH person they signed up!
and for those of you covered - do you know who your participating doctors and hospitals are yet?
I get to keep my same doctor. I love it. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Nobody is dismissing the people from the red states. Your argument isn't with us. It's with the governors of your red states who hate Obama so much that they won't cooperate with the ACA, even if it means taking you all down along with them.
The governor of my blue state has fully complied, and yes, I get to keep my same doctor. My doctor even has navigators in his office to help people sign up. Same hospital too.
As far as not being good quality, what evidence do you have to prove that because my quality is just fine.
You just now have to pay more - nm
[ In Reply To ..]nm
That is totally untrue. I'm getting more for less. - nm
[ In Reply To ..]nm
Hawaii has had employer mandated health care coverage - for over 35 years. nm
[ In Reply To ..]..
About Hawaii - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I have done a search and nowhere can I find the figures you cited in your post regarding Hawaii.
However, I found this very interesting article about Hawaii's economy and the USA in general. It was a real eye-opener.
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