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Posted: Jul 23, 2010

I know that it will be followed by another silly tit-for-tat argument instead of some real, honest, self reflection, I am sorry to say.

I find it sadly humorous that a certain official increased the national debt from 5 Trillion to 11 Trillion dollars in 8 years, more than any administration, basically bankrupting the Treasury and adding a tax burden of gigantic proportions to future American citizens.

I find it sadly humorous that during the grounding of all aircraft just after September 11, 2001, while American citizens were stranded throughout the United States, that that same official orchestrated the private and comfortable escort of all bin Ladens out of the United States.

I find it sadly humorous that this same official that I am discussing allowed the pull out of Afghanistan just when Osama bin Laden was cornered and began a war in Iraq without U.N. approval.

I find it sadly humorous that this same official and his administration led Americans to believe that Saddam Hussein was responsible for the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001.

I find it sadly humorous that this official was the first President in U.S. history to have the U.N. remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.

I find it sadly humorous that this same official shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in U.S. history.

I find it sadly humorous that this official was the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record. Sources:

http://pearly-abraham.tripod.com/htmls/bush-arrests.html

http://www.drunkdrivingdefense.com/consequences/bush-dui.htm

I find it sadly humorous that this official set the all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated U.S. law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.

Finally, I find it sadly humorous that this same official, George W. Bush, former President of the United States, set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any President in U.S. history.

My response to the GOP:
You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.

You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate
energy policy.

You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.

You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.

You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.

You didn't get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war.

You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq.

You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.

You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.

You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden.

You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.

You didn't get mad when we let a major US city, New Orleans, drown.

You didn't get mad when we gave a 900 billion tax break to the rich.

You didn't get mad when the deficit soared from 5.5 trillion to 11 trillion dollars from January, 2001, to January, 2009. My sources:

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm

http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/239719-james-quinn/18242-national-debt-by-year

http://www.lafn.org/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.html

You finally got mad when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick.

Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing our tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all okay with you,
but helping other Americans...oh hell no.

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thanks for sharing -- - really good points

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I think it's time for a reminder like this. Thanks for sharing.

Guess you need these posts when Obamas approval - has dropped to 40-something pct. :).nm

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Sorry-your drive-by does not in any way diminish - the weight of the post

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to take away from its points. Nice try though.

The thing is, its just like Obama. When all else fails, - blame Bush. Obama is ten times worse, face it.nm

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The thing is its just like W supporters to nurture that blind spot - and fail to face these realities....

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while at the same time preaching to high heaven about accountability and taking personal responsibility. No amount of changing the subject, distracting and deflecting is going to turn these truths into lies or make them disappear.

You are making no sense at all. We currently have the - biggest spender president in history.

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What does Obama teach young people.. to spend tons of money they dont have? Obama has tripled the deficit. His stimulus has not helped unemployment or the economy one bit, yet when people question him on it, he still goes back to blaming Bush. We need a leader. You think Bush was bad -Obama is much worse.

Did you notice that - sm

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there are a couple of dozen talking points here, none of which say anything about Obama? Are you able to address any one of them directly without invoking Obama bashing dodges? I doubt it.

Repeat: No amount of changing the subject, dodging and deflecting is going to turn these truths into lies, nor is anybody about to forget Ws reign of terror anytime soon.

Ummm. we have CURRENT problems that our CURRENT - president is making worse. So,

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even though you would like to avoid this by constantly going into the past, it wont change anything.

Ummm, yes ma'am, we sure do. - sm

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Many of those current problems are ongoing and have been for the better part of the past decade. It is easy to debunk your attempt to deny this. Next current debate in Congress? Sunsetting of deficit-exploding Bush tax cuts for the wealthy.

Bush diehards will never understand just how far-reaching Ws destructive policies are and have been. We will be cleaning up his mess for at least the next decade or so. During that process, there will be lots and lots of examination of cause and effect. Like I said, get used to it. It is not going anywhere anytime soon.

LOL! Very funny. There are not enough wealthy left - to come close to paying for

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the mess Obama has created. Dream on.

Well, when Obama is done, there may be NO wealthy - left, meaning no one hiring.nm

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Is there an echo in here or - sm

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are you simply too challenged to come up with an original drive-by? FYI, it would be truly foolhardy for anyone sitting around jobless to be waiting for the coinage cons to loosen their grip on their profits long enough to thrown down a few crumbs to the great underclasses, especially in this recession economy.

I learned my master-slavedriver/lackey lessons well when I let MTSOs, outsourcing, line counts, diminishing wages, shrinking benefits, VR, QA of India's MLS workforce, empty queues and 60 hour work weeks become part of my history. It is a lesson I only had to learn once, have never looked back and have zero regrets.

Speaking of "too challenged" ..wake up! - TX

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Are you so brainwashed that you cannot see how the current administration is worsening the situation? Gee.. you sure seem to hate rich people. BTW, I have never worked for a poor person. The top 10pct already pay about 80pct of the taxes. What exactly do you want?

How many different ways can you miss a point? - sm

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To answer your question, no I am not brainwashed and no, I do not see what you see. DH and I benefitted from an ARC small business loan (a program emanating from ARRA). We seeded his small business with the capitol (which we were able to pay back in 7 months), acquired equipment (paid in full), hired 3 people and created a new job position for me. That was after I left the master-slave MTSO scene and decided to stop waiting around for tight-fisted greed-ridden rich folks to throw down. Ain't gonna happen in a recession economy.

What do I want? I want to see current tax rates for the wealthy expire and return from 35% to 39.6%, both figures being very, very, very (did I say very) low rates when compared to the rates they paid between 1900 and 2000.

Problem is, you have no point at all, except hating - rich people, which helps nothing.nm

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Au contraire. - sm

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If that were true, it would have to include my entire nuclear family and all my ancestors going back at least 3 of 4 generations on both sides, that is if you consider multimillionaire families to be rich...lawyers, doctors, accomplished architects, real estate moguls and oil speculators. I grew up around these folks as one of their two favorite black sheeps, my rebellous cousin being the other.

Generally, they shake out as your basic three types: The greedy beyond measure, the philantropic for the sake of image building, superiority and snoot, and that rare third breed of those who genuinely understood both the privileges of wealth and the responsibilies toward those less fortunate that possessing wealth carries. Those were the ones who willingly paid their whopping 91% tax rate between 1954 and 1963 (ages 6 to 15 for me) and later on 70% to 77% between 1964 and 1981 without blinking an eye, while the others squealed like little baby pigs every time taxes were due. This might explain why I have no patience for these wimpy whiners who bemoan a hike from 35% to 39.6%.

Needless to say, I made that third group my mentors, my dad, his mom and her brothers and sisters. My politics closely resemble what I can remember of theirs, especially my dad, a real estate attorney who was my primary caretaker when I was little. He took me many times down to the courthouse with him where he lobbied on behalf of the poor for sidewalks, streets, lighting, sewage and drainage improvements, schools and enhanced police presence in the most impoverished areas of our city, and very effectively, I might add. That, of course, made me the black sheep daughter of the black sheep dad.

So pardon me if I take exception to that unfounded accusation of hating the rich, though I will admit that I have no regrets whatsoever about not being a part of that lifestyle anymore.

Excellent post. Thank you. (nm) - Nikki

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:-)

Well, given the current unemployment problem (sm) - Nikki

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it doesn't look like they're hiring now.

Exactamento. That is why restoring pre-W tax rates - will not significantly impacts jobs. nm

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Yeah, Obamas stimulus plan really helped, that emergency plan - NOT!!!!!!!.nm

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Well, the rich haven't so let's let the tax breaks lapse. (nm) - Nikki

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You obviously, like Obama, have never run a business. - Good thing.nm

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How not to succeed in business or find an economy fix - sm

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Hurl petty little vapid insults and recycle failed campaign rhetoric.

Again, if you have a point to make, consistent (sm) - Nikki

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with the TOPIC at hand, instead of drive-by personal insults, I'd be very glad to discuss it with you, you know, like grown-up people.

It's obvious that you can't stand me, regardless of what I post, so I don't really expect to see anything but personal insults come from you. That's because you just can't discuss things like an adult, and that's a pity.

Bush ran several businesses and tried to run - country like one.

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Daddy had to bail him out of all three of his tanked businesses, and then he tanked the US! So much for running the US like a business!!

Excellent point. - Love it ! nm

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You are fooling yourself if you actually believe that. - Citizens against the dumbing down of America.

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There sure has been a lot of talk recently on this forum about people who game the welfare system. Did it ever occur to you that there is another side to that coin? If you think the rich have not found ways to get richer during this recession, think again.

It seems you have managed to miss the point, AGAIN, but if tit-for-tat one liners float your boat, carry on. Just do not expect to gain any political ground in the process. You may want to stop and reflect for a moment on how pathetically ineffective Obama bashing was in the absence of a real political platform as a campaign strategy.

Wrong! Obama bashing is everywhere. His popularity - is dying, but hey, ignorance is bliss?

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Obama has policies that resemble Carter. You know, the worst president in American History? And how ignorant can you be to want to drive the rich down so there will be NOwhere to look for jobs, huh? People are figuring out that Obama has no strategy except spend into oblivion. What a poor excuse for a leader.

Yawn. Of course it is. Pubs still have not realized that - sm

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it's the campaign strategy of losers (speaking of ignorance). That is why responding to their tired across-the-board dem president bashing is such a waste of time, as is "reFUTEating" lock-step Faux News foot soldiering. I am happy, happy, happy I don't come from the land of sour grapes or hang out with all the noise makers. Enjoy.

The only ignorance was the USA voting for - Obama -and paying bigtime.nm

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It's called democracy. Deal with it. - nm

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That has nothing to do with ignorance. --and the USA - has shown it by being swindled.

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Obama did it once. I dont think he will do it twice.

So folks you think are so ignorant should follow - your party line exactly why?

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just curious

Totally and absolutely correct! - Right on, sm! nm

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Regarding Bush's far-reaching destructive (sm) - Nikki

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policies, if you count the Roberts Supreme Court, the mess will last not just for a decade or so but rather for multiple decades (unless we get some reasonable people in there and reverse the current 5-4 voting pattern), since Roberts and Alito are so young. I'll be dead before they're gone (to the sheer delight, I'm sure, of some posters on this board. LOL!).

May the flaming begin! ROFL!

"Far-reaching and destructive policies". Sorry, but that - perfectly perfectly fits Obama!.nm

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If you were paying attention, you'd see that (sm) - Nikki

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the term "far-reaching and destructive policies" was used by the poster I responded to, but you didn't seem to have a problem with THAT!

Oooooh, I could just pinch those cute cheeks of yours. You're so precious! :-)

There is much value in hindsight. - nm

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Amen! The fact is, and the one the Regressives - want us to forget about

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is the fact that had Bush been a better President with more concern for the people instead of his cronies, President Obama would NOT have been left with the mess he was left and likely would not have had to spend to try to dig the country out of the ditch Bush drove us into. That is the fact. You can call names, you can react defensively, you can watch or even quote Faux and their ilk, bury your head in the ground or under a rock, you can get angry, stop your feet, blame the weather, your next door neighbor, or the thinking and informed Progressives here, but that will NOT, and I mean NOT EVER take away the fact that Obama would not be doing the spending had he not had to clean up Bush's mess.

PS-Why weren't you hollering about money being spent with Bush was putting us into 2 wars that he did not pay for, one of which on a country that had nothing to do with 9/11? Huh???

You people are laughable.

My response to that--- - ROTFLMAO!

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http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-29-2010/blame

Your reply to a polical messages was to post - a comedy routine?

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You do realize Jon Stewart is not a politician or journalist? He is a comedian and he takes whatever topic he feels like and spins it to fit a funny routine so he can get laughs. He\'s a good comedian, but what he says is only his opinion. Doesn\'t mean he\'s right or wrong, it\'s just for laughs.

Uhh..you have to click on it and play it and - actually listen to it.

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If you did, you would hear and hopefully understand the response.

uhhh... Jon Stewart is a comedian - it's a comedy routine

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Who makes a living by giving his "opinion" and making people laugh. But you need to separate fact from fiction. These are his opinions. They are not always the truth. He's a liberal so of course he's going to make fun of the other side...that is his job.

But people, really... try having a discussion about political topics without bringing a comedy routine into the conversation.

Once again...he is a comedian. There is news and then there is comedy. Might as well post a comedy routine of George Carlin or Chris Rock. Both of them are funny too, but that's their job. Giving their opinion and making people laugh. People need to get a grip and separate the two.

You should watch the Jon Stewart link posted above. (sm) - Nikki

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It's all about the Republicans blaming CLINTON for everything when Bush "took" office.

Jon Stewart is a comedian - sm

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He's a comedian. A comedian's job is to make people laugh. He's a funny comedian, but he is giving his opinion. He does not always have the facts right.

Republicans did NOT blame Clinton for everything when Bush took office. They put blame where blame was due, and when they made mistakes they took responsibility. Something the liberals have never quite gotten down right.

Besides, even if liberals think republicans blamed Clinton for everything (which they didn't), it does not make it okay for this crowd to do it. That has got to be the most lame excuse for blaming everything on Bush.

Basically what you are saying is its okay to blame an earthquake in some far off place like Haiti or somewhere not in the US on Bush because why??? Bush blamed Clinton for things that Clinton is at fault for. Sorry...aint buyin that one.

Please see message. (sm) - Nikki

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You wrote: "Bush blamed Clinton for things that Clinton is at fault for."

And the Obama administration/constituents are blaming Bush for things that Bush is at fault for.

Sad thing is that Obama probably hasn't found them all yet. Eight years of signing statements, executive orders and two wars that mysteriously were absent from the budget. Must be like playing "Whack-a-mole."

I respectfully disagree - sm

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Yes Bush admin blamed Clinton admin for things that were their fault, but they also took responsibility and blame for things that were wrong in their administration.

Your next statement is only half correct.

The correct part is that this administration is blaming things that were Bush's fault, however you failed to mentioned that they are also blaming things that are clearly not Bush's fault on Bush. And the mistakes they are making today and tomorrow they are blaming it on Bush. Well we have to raise taxes because of Bush, the oil disaster is Bush's fault, the Haiti earthquake is Bush's fault, 911 was Bush's fault, etc, etc, etc.

I can name a whole list of things they are blaming on him that are not his fault but I'm working right now so would have to post later.

I will respectfully disagree with you. Stop blaming Bush for every little hiccup that happens in this administration. From the earthquake in Haiti to a whole slew of other things. Even democrats who I see come out on TV and proclaim whatever the situation is they come out and say its Bush's fault before even knowing any facts.

I'm not saying Bush was perfect. No president is, but blimey man, these people should take credit for good things you do and take the blame for the wrong that you do, and don't take credit for good things you didn't do.

I think the game Whack-a-mole can be said true for this administration too. There is so much going on. So many mistakes being made. I would hope that you have an open mind as I used to start agreeing with you on issues awhile back, but lately I just don't know.

So, sorry, but this one I will disagree with you on.

Please see message. (sm) - Nikki

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I believe that, for the most part, we do disagree.

However, I want to thank you very much for posting such an eloquent post, free of bashing, and I respect you very much for that. I wish I could see posts like yours more often.

Well....I actually think you were a bit more eloquent than I was - sm

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I tried not to bash and if I did at all in any way, my sincerest apology to you. I think I've said before that I've been following your posts for quite some time and we've had some "discussions" in the past. I don't always agree with you - in fact more disagree than agree (unless its social issues). But you know Nikki...sometimes you just want to make me pull my hair out. ha ha ha, although I'm sure the same is true with me for you.

All I want is open discussions, no bashing for anyone's opinion. I think that can be achieved here.

I'm sorry but I have just been so upset and disheartened at what has been happening lately. I guess I just feel duped for voting for something that is total opposite of what he campaigned on. It does make me very said to see our country in such turmoil. I just hope in Nov we have a new congress/house and hope the healing can begin.

LOL! Please, let's not argue about who's more eloquent! (sm) - Nikki

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I, too, happen to be upset and disheartened. For example, if Elizabeth Warren isn't appointed for the Consumer Protection post, I will be very upset with Obama. There are other things about Obama that tick me off, too, and if some of these things continue, I probably won't vote for him again.

I, too, would like to see open discussions with no bashing, but seeing the "fans" I have, I don't see that being possible. Though they do amuse me, they just don't add anything to the conversation and rarely address the issue of the post.

Please keep posting, and I'm sorry if I make you want to pull your hair out! I do enjoy your posts very much. Thank you for your participation on this board the way it SHOULD be done.

We can still agree to disagree, and we can do it in a friendly manner, with mutual respect for each other and without being rude to posters.

Thanks again for another eloquent post! :-)

See a doctor - anonymous

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You all forget that congress was Democratic for half of Bush's term. Now, all said, Bush did make mistakes. But, you can only blame him for so long. We are tired of hearing the blame placed on Bush. He did the best he could. Obama is taking us down a very different path. Poor people get to see a doctor when they need to now. They either have Medicaid or go to ER. Let's see how many people get to see a doctor with this new health care bill.

Are you kidding me? - Happy MT Robin

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"Poor people get to see a doctor when they need to now. they either have Medicaid or go to the ER."

You're kidding me, right? Please tell me you were being sarcastic. I don't quality for Medicaid and if I walked into the ER with an emergency, you better believe I'd be presented with a bill. I don't have insurance. What do you propose I do?

If you were serious when you typed that, honestly that has to be one of the most ignorant things I've read in a long time.

Baloney! Anyone can walk into an ER and get treated - Cannot be refused...I work in one..and

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if you cannot pay, they will bill you later. You can make payments, whatever. It happens every day in the USA.

You mean like the time - sm

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I presented to the ER with a blinding headache, shortness of breath and stroke-level blood pressures of 240/130, was seen by 1 doctor for 2 minutes who was making sure I had finished filling out my paperwork, laid on a gurney 14 hours straight overnight, was completely ignored, then got up, walked out and drove myself home? You are right about one thing. I did get billed. You mean THAT kind of care? Uh-huh. I think I get it.

Yeah sure..Your wait had nothing to do with insurance. - ERs are all overwhelmed and like this.

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So many people show up there who really dont have a true emergency these days.

Ummm...HELLO.. Is anybody home? - sm

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Overwhelmed ERs have nothing to do with insurance, or lack thereof? Really? If more people can access affordable insurance and health care, they will not be forced to show up in the ERs to seek basic health care, n'est-ce pas? They can actually afford to see a PCP and have continuity of care. HCR 101.

PS: Got any idea how frightening it was to lay on a gurney for 14 hours as if invisible, with labile HTN, resistent to meds, with stroke level numbers? If this is status quo standard of care you can so casually dismiss, it needs to bite the dust once and for all.

Garbage! Just the opposite, in fact.. ERs are overwhelmed - by people on MEDICAID who run to

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the ER with the sniffles! Now, millions more will qualify for Medicaid under Obamacare, making this problem worse. Try working in an ER and you will get it. Until then, speak of something you understand and have actual knowledge!

My, my. Aren't we presumptuous? - sm

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I have been working in the ER for almost 10 years. Sorry to say, but your attitude toward ER patients is appalling, one that I have never encountered the whole time I have worked there. Your hostility toward the poor is evident. You sound like a very unhappy individual who is long overdue for a job change.

Medicaid patients do not qualify strictly based on income, as you should know. Most of them are on SSI, have demonstated disabilities or serious medical conditions. Then, of course, there are a lot of children as well.

The overwhelming majority of the ones we treat are HIV/AIDS patients, who absolutely are encouraged to show up with the sniffles. One can only hope you are transcribing and not in a position to render direct medical care to those you find so offensive.

LOL! You are making up stories now. I WORK IN AN ER NOW. - and I know you dont...try again.nm

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Wow. Talk about childish AND presumptuous. - sm

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You know no such thing. I do not need or desire to argue with you over where I have worked for 10 years or defend what I have learned or experienced there. You are way out of line.

I stand by my post, particularly the parts about your being so miserable, overdue for a job change and having no business being in a position to render direct care to patients you deem so offensive.

Guess what? I am not a doctor, but do give good care - having pts ask for ME by name to help them

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You are clueless.

Two Whoppers for the price of one. - No need to shout.

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We can tell it is all about you, even with the lower case version of ME. One does have to wonder how long it took for you to learn to keep your hostility toward Medicaid patients behind a zipped lip.

You are really crazy. I took care of my mother, - who just died and on Medicaid.

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I know all about Medicaid and appreciate it being there for those in need an who deserve it. Go jump in a lake. You have NO clue what you are speaking of. When someone argues with you, it does not mean they hate everything. Look a little more indepth at an argument next time. Get a clue. thanx

Your stories are not matching up - sm

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I didn't believe the story above and now after reading this it confirms my suspicion. From what you posted I highly doubt you work or have been working in an ER "for almost 10 years". The poster you replied to spoke from knowledge. This does not.

You might have read a couple things here and there, but your stories are not matching up and something is just not sitting right.

Your last paragraph here confirmed what I thought.

Tell it to someone who cares. - sm

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I should care whether or not you believe me because? You are in no position to know better than I where I work.

The overwhelming majority of Medicaid patients we see where I work are immunocompromised AIDS patients whose sniffles can turn into all sorts of nasty, costly and deadly conditions. Our staff has a heavy concentration of HIV specialists and the faclity is well endowed with research funding. We see a lot of Medicaid patients based on the astronomical costs of their care.

Again, you are making no sense. You should give - up on the stories before it just gets worse.nm

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She is making perfect sense to me. - Catddo

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You on the other hand have nothing to offer but cheap insults.

Insults? Yep, thats what you say when you know you - are WRONG. lol. :-)

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-and have no defense.

Nope. That's what you say when people are insulting you. (nm) - Nikki

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Oh, yes Nikki. Thanks for chiming in as usual. - Even when not talking to you.nm

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ROFL! Isn't this an open forum? Why do you hate (sm) - Nikki

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freedom of speech so much? Or is it just MY freedom of speech that irritates you?

You should really let go of the hate. Try taking a deep breath and smiling. I'm sure you'd feel much better. ROFL! Just for your information, you don't insult me. I find you very amusing. Thanks for posting, and please, keep it up. It's the biggest favor you could do for me! :-)

Since when does 2 out of 8 equal one-half? - sm

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Defining a problem is the first step to setting goals and proposing solutions, That makes recognizing the extent of Ws inept best contributions to the current state of affairs (especially the economy) not only necessary, but imperative. Remember, those who fail to learn from history are bound to repeat it.

Factor in the constant barrage of bash leveled against Obama, it is perfectly appropriate for him and his supporters to blow the whistle and set the record straight. Better get used to it. You will be hearing a whole lot more of this between now and November.

My response to the 14 points listed... - Zville MT

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as an independent now, but a republican at that time, I was mad when each of those things happened and even signed a petition to have Bush impeached. You can be mad at Congress (I don't know anyone that isn't), but don't talk like it was just the republicans that did all this - remember all the I-was-for-it-before-I-was-against-it democrats?

Please stop trying to make this an us versus them, dems versus pubs. Everyone that was in DC at that time and anyone lobbying or backstage pulling the strings is responsible, just as those in DC right now are responsible for the deficit they created.

Things are going to get a lot worse before they get better and we can't keep turning on each other while that happens. I know we're not all going to agree all the time or hold hands and sing Kumbya, but at least let's stop the blame game and see things for what they are - maybe then we can start to make it right.

The problem is only gonna get worse.. - justmythoughts

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This country is headed for doom. I think the problem is some people are just lazy and don\\\'t want to work and feel that the government \\\"owes\\\" them so they ride the system to get all the free money and food that they can, leaving the people who do work and are trying to have a better life to pay for them.

I have get health coverage through my job and just learned that in 2011 when we file our taxes I have to claim the portion of my healthcare coverage that my employer pays as income, putting us in a higher tax bracket therefore we will have to pay the government and that money will go to pay for the medicare/medicaid programs because of mismanagement of money by all politicians.

It is sad becasue the country I grew up in will cease to exist for my kids to enjoy. The defict cannot all be blaimed on Bush. Look at the numbers they stand for themselves. Obama has not done one good thing (in my opinion) for the better of this country, and to top all that off, I now have $50 dollars a year taken out of my childs \\\"child support\\\" because I have never been on welfare. I actually got a letter from my states office stating that is the reason for the $50 dollar charge every year. Is that right? They are taking from my child. It is almost like playing Robin Hood (only I am not rich, just trying to have something in this life and teach my kids the values and morals that I was raised by), which kids know nothing about these days. I remember when I was younger and how everything was much different (and I am fairly young now), the American dream ceases to exist anymore.

Fighting with each other will not do any good. I believe in helping people but only those who are trying to help themselves. I see so many people my age or younger wasting their lives hooked on drugs and they are the ones who are on all these programs for free money and food stamps. I believe these are the ones who do not deserve to get anything until they get a job and try to help themselves. It seems to be an attitude or belief that everybody owes them something because they have such a bad life but we all go through bad things in our lives, but the reality is unless you are born into a rich family everyone has to work to keep the economy boosted and stimulated. Just my thoughts and opinions.

The difference I see in the dems and reps is Reps understand that everyone is not going to agree with them and some dems think if you don\\\'t agree with them that you are racist or argue with you trying to get you to give in to their beliefs and I don\\\'t believe that is right either. We all have are differences but comprising and working together to make a difference is much better than pointing fingers and blaming everyone else. There is much to be said about a person when they can stand up and admit when they are wrong.

I think all politicians should practice what they preach so to speak. They tell us that our cars and all the air traffic are polluting the earth and causing globe warming, all the while they get in their private jets and travel around the country campaigning or going to their meetings. To much government is not a good thing.

This country is greatest now for being free and right now we still have some freedoms but how is everyone gonna feel when one day you realize you don\\\'t have those freedoms. I don\\\'t want the government dictated what kind of car I can drive, what house I can live in, or what healthcare plan is right for me and my family. That\\\'s what I see is coming for our country.

Again, just my thoughts and opinions and you can disagree that is fine with me. I think its crazy that some think it was okay for the terriosits to do what they did on Sept. 11 and that we are wrong for the wars that have taken place since then. I understand about the Iraqi issue but they did have weapons of mass destruction and just what do you think they were planning on doing with those. My husband served in Afgan. (he was one of the first ones on the ground after Sept. 11) and my dad served in Iraqi in 2004 and neither one will talk about it to this day (not much anyway), but I do know for them to hear people say that it is wrong for them to be there does not do much for them at all, it makes them feel as if everyone is against the army and those men and women risks their lives everyday so that we can sit here and have this discussion on a chat board.

Excellent post!!! - sm

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This board is prime example why nothing good is getting done in this country. Too much tit-for-tat and too much finger pointing. If normal people like us can't even hold a civilized discussion, how do we expect our government to?

As a conservative independent, there are things I'm willing to compromise on. They don't make me entirely happy but I'd be willing to give a little if the other side is. The problem is the extremes on BOTH sides who refuse to give a little. It is either their way or no way and that fault lies in both political parties.

This shouldn't be dem vs pub. When you get right down to it, both parties have screwed over the American people one way or another. It is time for the American people to come together. United we stand, divided we fall.

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thanks for sharing -- - really good points

Guess you need these posts when Obamas approval - has dropped to 40-something pct. :).nm

Sorry-your drive-by does not in any way diminish - the weight of the post

The thing is, its just like Obama. When all else fails, - blame Bush. Obama is ten times worse, face it.nm

The thing is its just like W supporters to nurture that blind spot - and fail to face these realities....

You are making no sense at all. We currently have the - biggest spender president in history.

Did you notice that - sm

Ummm. we have CURRENT problems that our CURRENT - president is making worse. So,

Ummm, yes ma'am, we sure do. - sm

LOL! Very funny. There are not enough wealthy left - to come close to paying for

Well, when Obama is done, there may be NO wealthy - left, meaning no one hiring.nm

Is there an echo in here or - sm

Speaking of "too challenged" ..wake up! - TX

How many different ways can you miss a point? - sm

Problem is, you have no point at all, except hating - rich people, which helps nothing.nm

Au contraire. - sm

Excellent post. Thank you. (nm) - Nikki

Well, given the current unemployment problem (sm) - Nikki

Exactamento. That is why restoring pre-W tax rates - will not significantly impacts jobs. nm

Yeah, Obamas stimulus plan really helped, that emergency plan - NOT!!!!!!!.nm

Well, the rich haven't so let's let the tax breaks lapse. (nm) - Nikki

You obviously, like Obama, have never run a business. - Good thing.nm

How not to succeed in business or find an economy fix - sm

Again, if you have a point to make, consistent (sm) - Nikki

Bush ran several businesses and tried to run - country like one.

Excellent point. - Love it ! nm

You are fooling yourself if you actually believe that. - Citizens against the dumbing down of America.

Wrong! Obama bashing is everywhere. His popularity - is dying, but hey, ignorance is bliss?

Yawn. Of course it is. Pubs still have not realized that - sm

The only ignorance was the USA voting for - Obama -and paying bigtime.nm

It's called democracy. Deal with it. - nm

That has nothing to do with ignorance. --and the USA - has shown it by being swindled.

So folks you think are so ignorant should follow - your party line exactly why?

Totally and absolutely correct! - Right on, sm! nm

Regarding Bush's far-reaching destructive (sm) - Nikki

"Far-reaching and destructive policies". Sorry, but that - perfectly perfectly fits Obama!.nm

If you were paying attention, you'd see that (sm) - Nikki

There is much value in hindsight. - nm

Amen! The fact is, and the one the Regressives - want us to forget about

My response to that--- - ROTFLMAO!

Your reply to a polical messages was to post - a comedy routine?

Uhh..you have to click on it and play it and - actually listen to it.

uhhh... Jon Stewart is a comedian - it's a comedy routine

You should watch the Jon Stewart link posted above. (sm) - Nikki

Jon Stewart is a comedian - sm

Please see message. (sm) - Nikki

I respectfully disagree - sm

Please see message. (sm) - Nikki

Well....I actually think you were a bit more eloquent than I was - sm

LOL! Please, let's not argue about who's more eloquent! (sm) - Nikki

See a doctor - anonymous

Are you kidding me? - Happy MT Robin

Baloney! Anyone can walk into an ER and get treated - Cannot be refused...I work in one..and

You mean like the time - sm

Yeah sure..Your wait had nothing to do with insurance. - ERs are all overwhelmed and like this.

Ummm...HELLO.. Is anybody home? - sm

Garbage! Just the opposite, in fact.. ERs are overwhelmed - by people on MEDICAID who run to

My, my. Aren't we presumptuous? - sm

LOL! You are making up stories now. I WORK IN AN ER NOW. - and I know you dont...try again.nm

Wow. Talk about childish AND presumptuous. - sm

Guess what? I am not a doctor, but do give good care - having pts ask for ME by name to help them

Two Whoppers for the price of one. - No need to shout.

You are really crazy. I took care of my mother, - who just died and on Medicaid.

Your stories are not matching up - sm

Tell it to someone who cares. - sm

Again, you are making no sense. You should give - up on the stories before it just gets worse.nm

She is making perfect sense to me. - Catddo

Insults? Yep, thats what you say when you know you - are WRONG. lol. :-)

Nope. That's what you say when people are insulting you. (nm) - Nikki

Oh, yes Nikki. Thanks for chiming in as usual. - Even when not talking to you.nm

ROFL! Isn't this an open forum? Why do you hate (sm) - Nikki

Since when does 2 out of 8 equal one-half? - sm

My response to the 14 points listed... - Zville MT

The problem is only gonna get worse.. - justmythoughts

Excellent post!!! - sm

More sad baloney like the post below about - why you are a democrat

Give me a break. Pot calls kettle black alert. - sm

LOL - this post to too funny - why you are a democrat

There is not a single solitary - sm