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Hey moderator....sm

Posted: Sep 12, 2012

Why on top of the post about Romney's religion, sending it to the faith board? He is of a faith that has for years promoted prejudice nad all kinds of crazy stuff. Romney says his religion shaped him and made him what he is today. I think that makes his faith VERY relevant to the politics board. I think it's just as relevant as folks constantly saying Obama is a Muslim and arguing about that.

Also, why was this post moved, but another left (see link)

http://general.mtstars.com/314206.html

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JTBB... - Moderator

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Her post is one I sat and looked at for a long long time. It bordered on religion and politics, but taking the post in general it was because she had an issue with the Mormon faith. It doesn't matter is someone agrees with what she wrote because they want Obama reelected. The post in general was talking about the Mormon faith and what they believe and that a poster had an issues with the faith. I have sent the OP a message and told her if she wants to repost to keep it regarding political topics. Whether or not someone can be a priest or that they they don't believe in drinking hot drinks because of something a prophet said is not political. Since she had a problem with the Mormon faith the post went to the faith board, as did the other message I sent there regarding a Christian prayer.

If you want to discuss why you don't think Romney would be a good choice regarding political issues all voices are welcome, but cutting down someones religion and making bullet statements regarding what a region believes is for the faith board.

I agree with moderator on this one - Mormon Faith

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I agree with the moderator on this issue. The Mormon faith deserves the same respect you hopefully would pay other faiths, and everyone has a right to practice their own religion without prejudice or inflammatory remarks made that are sometimes not even true. We should look solely at the candidate's qualifications, not his religion, his background and what he has accomplished to help others and his country and whether he is the best person to lead our country. Study what he believes regarding serious issues we are facing and whether you feel he will make a good president based on those facts, but don't attack him or his religious beliefs.

there are three posts declaring Obama a Muslim - how is that relevant to politics

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It would appear the posters have an issue with the president's faith - an issue you alluded to in your post.

Like you said: "If you want to discuss why you don't think "______" would be a good choice regarding political issues all voices are welcome."

Answer - Moderator

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You can say Romney is a Mormon, Obama is a Muslim, Obama is a Christian, Ryan is a Catholic, etc, etc. You can say anything you want about him when it deals with politics. Her post did not just say "Romney is a Mormon" Her post went into detail specifically about what she thinks one religion believes. She wrote about Cain, biblical murders, not allowing people to become priests, prophets messages, priests, prophets, Mormons being vegetarians, messages from God, prophets claiming God said something about drinking hot drinks.

In other words the entire post was about religion and what she thinks a religion believes. There was nothing in it at all discussing political issues. Just his faith. Faith issues belong on the faith board.

thanks, I hear you... - ...

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I guess I just continue to hear it as an epithet or a slur when posters call out Obama as a Muslim. He has, after all, described himself as Christian. Imagine a post that said: Romney is a Jew! :)

Why would you think those are epithets or slurs? - SM

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So what is wrong with being called a Muslim or a Jew? Last time I checked they are not bad words.

What's wrong with being called a Muslim or Jew? - Vintagefine

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There is nothing wrong with being called a Muslim or a Jew if you are a Muslim or a Jew. I think the point being made is that there is something wrong with being called something that you are not. Obama is a Christian and he is being called a Muslim; and it is usually done in a derogatory way.

What I was hoping to convey is this... - sm

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I see posters using the term "Muslim" in reference to Obama as a means of impugning his faith and/or citizenship. It's hard for me to see the value in using faith-based labels as insults - particularly if we agree that faith doesn't (?shouldn't) matter.

What would we make of it if someone were to call out: Romney is a Jew! Why would someone do that? Mr. Romney has declared his faith, as has Mr. Obama. How is it useful to use religious designations to name-call?

I was hoping the moderator might consider my point: if it is foolish to bandy-about one candidate's religion, it's probably just as foolish to do the same to the other.

I'm not sure I understand the last part about your message - Moderator - please elaborate

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I will consider your point, but I'm just not sure what you would like me to do.

I don't care if people mention a religion whether it's Christian, Jew, Muslim or anything. They are what they are and of course you can't have a conversation without everyone knowing, but if someone gets into specifics about any religion and what that religion means (talking about prophets, God, etc, then I will move that post to the faith board too.

Please let me know if that's what you mean or if there is something different you have in mind.

Always open to consider everything.

then I'm not sure I can explain it to you - sm

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We are to confine our comments to political discussion. I can't massage political content into a post that calls the president a "closet muslim", and I think any attempt to do so is disingenuous.

You can write Obama is the Lord God if you want to - Moderator - sm

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You can say Romney is the devil, Romney is a god, Ryan is a demon, or whatever you want to make a statement about. That is called freedom of speech. Everyone has a right to it.

You can not specifically talk about a religion itself and the beliefs of a religion, prophets, messages from god, what they do or don't believe in, etc.

Posters write all sorts of stuff to get the other side riled up. Don't let it get to you. If you don't believe he's a muslim then you shouldn't care what anyone else says about him. Sometimes you just have to let things roll off your back. This is an election year. There are a lot of untruths being told about both Obama and Romney. Just don't let it get to you. I highly doubt anyone here is going to change anyones mind about anything. If you know what you know to be the truth, then who cares what someone else says.

Religion/Politics - Jake

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Can only speak for myself, but I would rather have a Mormon than a Moron any day....

While religion often is a big factor in politics, discussion needs - to be scrupulously political. For instance,

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I will never vote for someone I believe would ignore the will of the electorate to try to carry out what he believed was a supreme being's plan for the country. It's one thing to apply one's religious principles to one's own life and behavior and quite another to apply a very different agenda than voters intend to a nation.

In my case, I am most concerned about electing a President of the United States/Commander in Chief who believed we were in what some call "End Times" and that destruction of all current systems is part of an inevitable and ultimately good "plan." I have no reason to think Governor Romney believes his job is to move things along, but if anyone had any information to suggest that's part of what's in that shopping bag he's hugging to his chest, we all would certainly need to know.

Mr. Santorum's vision of a quasitheocratic nation that DH and I would no longer belong in is another potential problem, although he was pretty substantially rejected.

Obama IS a Muslum - Me

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He was born Barry Hussein Obama. He changed his name later to Barack when he became a Muslum. He even said with his own mouth that he went to a Muslum school in Indonesia. So if he isnt then he is definitely a sympathizer. I understand that, but under his watch, the Middle East is in chaos. There are extremist mobs ripping up our flags at the Embasy, they killed our US embassaders and Obama gave the Muslum Brotherhood (who run Libya, Egypt, etc) who hate us, 2 billion dollars. Obama is delusional.

I went to a christian school when I was young...sm - JTBB

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but I'm not a christian, much less a sympathizer. The middle east has been a war zone ever since I can remember. That didn't just happen overnight on Obama's watch. Keep in mind, we liked Sadaam Hussain (and funded him) before we hated him.

May i ask what a Christian School is? I never heard of that. - backwards typist

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I know of public, parochial schools...and now charter schools.

It was a Baptist school...sm - JTBB

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It had to be public because I know my grandmother wouldn't have been able to send us to it otherwise. My grandmother raised 4 of us after mommy dearest cut out. It involved assembling in the chapel daily and reciting versus, bible study (separate class), very strict dress codes (dresses were measured in relationship to the knee). If you did something bad (which wasn't hard to do..lol) you would be beaten in front of the class (as in would bring blood) by the principal while he shouted scripture and then you would have to write a letter to god to explain what you did and why. I honestly don't remember too many of the classes other than that as I've pretty much blocked out a lot of that whole time period.

Okay. Thanks. I didn't know that. - backwards typist

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They don't have separate schools like that in my area of the country, just the three I mentioned.

That was in the 60s...sm - JTBB

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and a lot has changed now, so I'm not too sure you'd be able to find too many like that anymore. I did look up the school itself a minute ago and its now a private school, but still religious based.

I went to a private elementary Episcopal school - back in the 50s. BTW

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a parochial school by definition is a private school supported by a particular church or parish. We had Jesus lessons, even in 1st grade.

I hope you don't live in a glass house. nm - VTMT

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nm - I agree with you. I also think he is a Muslim.

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nm

He is a closet Muslim - Me

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He talks out of both sides of his mouth.

And if there were a third side, he would talk out of IT. - Texan

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nm

No he wasn't. He was named for is dad - Barack Hussein Obama Sr.

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He never changed his name. Barry was his nickname. I went to a Christian school as a child, before I had a choice about my spirituality. I am decided not a Christian and haven't been since the minute I left home. "Sympathizer?" With precisely what? The faith? Theocracy? Politicized Islam? Terrorists? Moderates?

The MB Egyptian President came to power in June 30th of this year. The last aid to Egypt ($1.3 B, not $2 B) was released on March 23, 2012, before the elections had even been held and more than 3 months before President Morsi was sworn in.

BTW, the Middle East is not "under Obama's watch" for Pete's sake, so it looks like there is not a shred of truth to anything in this post.

Barry Soetero Obama - Me

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That was his name on his birth certificate. He changed it.

Really? His mom met Lolo a year AFTER Obama was born - and didn't marry him until 1966

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Is this one of the retroactive thingys the wingers have become so notorious for? They're the only ones who ever changed Barack Hussein Obama II's name. BTW, what BC would that be? According to them, the one posted all over the place and accepted by the sane majorities is a fake. How many hundreds of ways are they trying to float this tripe? Wait. Don't answer that. It was a merely a rhetorical query.

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