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Posted: Oct 17, 2012

This is a youtube video by United Steeleworkers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc1uf7krLlo&feature=colike

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But he's such a standup guy... - RC

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grQTuIYnreg&feature=relmfu

That ad was debunked months ago. - backwards typist

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AmPad is alive and well. It never shut down.

Backwards, only honest information sources can debunk. - If you post THOSE, I will read them. nm

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Here's a few with links - backwards typist

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By Jonathan Karl

@jonkarl

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Sep 6, 2012 12:53pm

Steelworker Featured at DNC Didn’t Work for Bain

 

The Democratic National Convention on Wednesday featured three speakers billed as “former employees of companies controlled by Bain Capital.”

They each told compelling stories about jobs lost, allegedly because of the actions of Bain under Romney’s leadership.

But it turns out one of those employees never actually worked for a company controlled by Bain Capital.

David Foster was supposedly one of those former employees on the convention schedule. He told the story about 750 steelworkers who lost their jobs when the Bain-controlled company GST steel filed for bankruptcy in the early 1990s.

“In 2001, with GST bankrupt and Romney still CEO of Bain, I stood in front of hundreds of steelworkers in their 50s and 60s, and retirees in their 70s and 80s, and told them Romney and Bain had broken their promises. Jobs, vacation pay, severance, health insurance and pension benefits that were promised — they were all gone,” he said. 

 

But Foster, according to a former spokesman for GST Steel, never actually worked for the company.

“David Foster was never an employee of GST Steel’s Kansas City plant. He was employed by the United Steelworkers of America as their regional union director to represent GST Steel, but was not employed at our facility,” according to BC Huselton, who was head of HR at GST.

Instead, Foster was a union organizer, who negotiated for workers that did work for the company.

Foster explained in his remarks that he was an organizer during his dealings with GST Steel. But it is not clear from the remarks that he never worked for a company controlled by Bain.

Foster was prominently featured in an Obama campaign video, “Romney economics,” where he is identified as lead negotiator for workers at GST Steel. In the video he explains that Bain executives took bonuses even as the company flailed.

Politifact rated that Obama video “mostly true.” Read their assessment.

A TV ad by a pro-Obama superPAC that is based on the story of a GST worker who suggests that his wife’s death from cancer years later was due in part to losing health insurance when the plant closed got a “false” from Politifact and drew criticism for being misleading.

But the Romney campaign has released its own version of what happened at GST Steel. The video features a former executive, Huselton, who says that Bain’s actions actually saved the company.

“There’s this vampire story that Bain comes in and shows it’s teeth and sucks the blood out of the operation,” says Huselton. “It’s really quite the opposite. We went out looking for a blood donor. Bain came in, and the way I look at it actually gave us a blood transfusion.”

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/steelworker-featured-at-dnc-didnt-work-for-bain/

Let’s start at the start. With Romney at the helm, Bain Capital invested in the small Kansas City steel mill called GST Steel Co. in 1993. It was a company that traced its roots to 1888 but had fallen on hard times. According to the Kansas City Star, the company’s ranks had dropped from 4,500 employees in 1970 to just 1,500 employees by 1983.

In addition, the company was beset by aging equipment and faced stiff competition in a specialized market, according to a lengthy Reuters report on the company. Nonetheless, Bain saw potential in the company and, Reuters reported, invested $8 million in it. That initial investment was quickly recouped when, in 1994, the company issued $125 million in bonds and paid out $65 million in dividends –  $36.1 million of which went to Bain, according to Reuters. The following year, Bain merged the company with another in Georgetown, S.C., renaming the company GS Industries, and issued another $125 million in bonds.

Bain also reinvested an additional $16.5 million in the company, evidence that Bain intended to keep the firm going. Nevertheless, six years later, the company declared bankruptcy and eliminated 750 jobs.

It also reneged on pension and other benefits it had agreed to in 1997. The U.S. Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. later determined the company had severely underfunded its pension, and the federal agency covered the cost of basic pension payments. So those aspects of the ads are accurate.

Was it the debt load that doomed the company? Some analysts cited by Reuters said it certainly didn’t help. Others blamed the union or competition from Asia. In a 1999 filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, the company stated, “Distressed economic conditions in other countries, particularly Asia, have resulted in record levels of imported steel products into the domestic market causing dramatic declines in selling prices industry-wide.”

It was a very bad time in general for the steel industry in the U.S. A 2003 report from the U.S. International Trade Commission found that between 1999 and 2003, “31 steel companies producing products subject to the safeguard measures [including tariffs on foreign imports] have filed for bankruptcy protection.”


 By Jonathan Karl@jonkarlFollow on TwitterSep 6, 2012 12:53pm


Steelworker Featured at DNC Didn’t Work for Bain


 The Democratic National Convention on Wednesday featured three speakers billed as “former employees of companies controlled by Bain Capital.”



They each told compelling stories about jobs lost, allegedly because of the actions of Bain under Romney’s leadership.


But it turns out one of those employees never actually worked for a company controlled by Bain Capital.



David Foster was supposedly one of those former employees on the convention schedule. He told the story about 750 steelworkers who lost their jobs when the Bain-controlled company GST steel filed for bankruptcy in the early 1990s.



“In 2001, with GST bankrupt and Romney still CEO of Bain, I stood in front of hundreds of steelworkers in their 50s and 60s, and retirees in their 70s and 80s, and told them Romney and Bain had broken their promises. Jobs, vacation pay, severance, health insurance and pension benefits that were promised — they were all gone,” he said.  But Foster, according to a former spokesman for GST Steel, never actually worked for the company.“David Foster was never an employee of GST Steel’s Kansas City plant. He was employed by the United Steelworkers of America as their regional union director to represent GST Steel, but was not employed at our facility,” according to BC Huselton, who was head of HR at GST.



Instead, Foster was a union organizer, who negotiated for workers that did work for the company.Foster explained in his remarks that he was an organizer during his dealings with GST Steel. But it is not clear from the remarks that he never worked for a company controlled by Bain.


Foster was prominently featured in an Obama campaign video, “Romney economics,” where he is identified as lead negotiator for workers at GST Steel. In the video he explains that Bain executives took bonuses even as the company flailed.


Politifact rated that Obama video “mostly true.” Read their assessment.
A TV ad by a pro-Obama superPAC that is based on the story of a GST worker who suggests that his wife’s death from cancer years later was due in part to losing health insurance when the plant closed got a “false” from Politifact and drew criticism for being misleading.



But the Romney campaign has released its own version of what happened at GST Steel. The video features a former executive, Huselton, who says that Bain’s actions actually saved the company.“There’s this vampire story that Bain comes in and shows it’s teeth and sucks the blood out of the operation,” says Huselton. “It’s really quite the opposite. We went out looking for a blood donor. Bain came in, and the way I look at it actually gave us a blood transfusion.”



http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/steelworker-featured-at-dnc-didnt-work-for-bain/



Let’s start at the start. With Romney at the helm, Bain Capital invested in the small Kansas City steel mill called GST Steel Co. in 1993. It was a company that traced its roots to 1888 but had fallen on hard times. According to the Kansas City Star, the company’s ranks had dropped from 4,500 employees in 1970 to just 1,500 employees by 1983.


In addition, the company was beset by aging equipment and faced stiff competition in a specialized market, according to a lengthy Reuters report on the company.


Nonetheless, Bain saw potential in the company and, Reuters reported, invested $8 million in it. That initial investment was quickly recouped when, in 1994, the company issued $125 million in bonds and paid out $65 million in dividends –  $36.1 million of which went to Bain, according to Reuters. The following year, Bain merged the company with another in Georgetown, S.C., renaming the company GS Industries, and issued another $125 million in bonds.


Bain also reinvested an additional $16.5 million in the company, evidence that Bain intended to keep the firm going. Nevertheless, six years later, the company declared bankruptcy and eliminated 750 jobs.It also reneged on pension and other benefits it had agreed to in 1997. The U.S. Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. later determined the company had severely underfunded its pension, and the federal agency covered the cost of basic pension payments. So those aspects of the ads are accurate.Was it the debt load that doomed the company? Some analysts cited by Reuters said it certainly didn’t help. Others blamed the union or competition from Asia. In a 1999 filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, the company stated, “Distressed economic conditions in other countries, particularly Asia, have resulted in record levels of imported steel products into the domestic market causing dramatic declines in selling prices industry-wide.”


It was a very bad time in general for the steel industry in the U.S. A 2003 report from the U.S. International Trade Commission found that between 1999 and 2003, “31 steel companies producing products subject to the safeguard measures [including tariffs on foreign imports] have filed for bankruptcy protection.”

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/05/lemon-picking-bain-capital-obama-style/


I didn't look up the the AmPad story but, here's a link to show that AmPad is still alive:



http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=ampad+engineering+paper&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=7963206579&hvpos=1t2&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1585502501574945822&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&ref=pd_sl_1kd4ysnklz_e


BackwardsTypist, these and other sources do establish that - Foster had left the company when Bain took it
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over. There are sources with far better established reputations than TwitterStep reporting on this, BTW, so I didn't have to check its reputation. FactCheck just reports on Bain's overall ability to produce profits, so this line is irrelevant, but, again, there other sources.

This steelworker/union organizer did falsely imply that he was one of 700 employees fired when Bain closed the company. He did work at that company previously and the others did lose their jobs when Bain closed it, but it's still a misrepresentation. He had left his job before it was closed down.

Now, I have a question. Is this really the BIG issue here? MORE important than all those jobs and all those families and all those small businesses in that town that depended on those jobs?

Much bigger still: Is it more important than understanding who Mitt Romney, a man within shouting distance of the presidency, is? Should those behind this story be TRYING to distract people from more important ones?

I don't think so. It's our duty to do just that before we vote for or against him. I don't actually think his business record is all that awful, in itself. I'm an economic moderate myself. It's his determination to keep us from knowing who he is and what he would really do as president that makes me increasingly unable to trust him. Not closing down a steel company.
Yeah, ok, and Obama won the debate, yet lied - about Libya and lost on economy, healthcare.
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just like with his unemployment numbers, things dont add up. I voted for Obama the first time, but I now think he is just full of himself and makes it up as he goes along. I see through him now. We cant take four more years of his bad ideas or no ideas.
Opinion, but not a fact in sight. - nm
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FACTS are coming out about Obama. You watch - -he will LOSE because of his lies to us.nm
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Instead of all the inflammatory flap, why not try - putting one up for discussion here?
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GOP loses one debate and IMMEDIATELY launch themselves into their predictably nasty attack dog mode. B-O-O-O-R-I-N-G.
:) Maybe those who go for propaganda themselves just don't - realize how pointless and tiresome
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posting it is. If others can read that, we can read other stuff too, and we're just as good as they are at recognizing the sites that generate this stuff.
But we were talking about Romney's record. - Obama's actions have nothing to do with that.
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This isn't some stupid game. The results WILL change our futures and the future of our country. These guys aren't footballs to be carried for some team, and your reward for "loyalty" to one side or another won't buy you a McDonald's value meal.

I just spent a fair amount of time I'll never get back reading your carefully chosen sources for a distraction meant to divert from the truth and answering your post. That's it. No more.
Who said it was a game? I take it seriously and pay - attention to character. O has none. nm
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I'm confused with your post. Who were you replying to? - backwards typist
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The person your message replies to had no "chosen sources", in fact, no sources at all.

Again, if you meant this message for me, how about posting under my messages so we can keep things straight on who's messages are being replied to?
It is our duty to find out the most we can about - backwards typist
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a man who wants to be president, I definitely think that Romney's business background is more of an asset that a man that only had a community organizer background. It's tough, though, because of all the lies out there.

I gave Obama three years to show me he was going to be good in his job, but he has shown me that he's not cut out for the job. If he would have shown me something positive, I might have voted for him this time around. I never vote a straight ticket, but I am this year (even though I like one person from the other party).

Obama's a smooth talker but he doesn't know how to lead a country. That's an important thing. He did not unite our country like he stated. He has divided this country more than I've ever seen before. He has never taken the blame for anything, always blaming someone else for his troubles, but takes credit for things that he had no part in doing. I won't keep going on about Obama but I've seen a lot of foolishness on his part.

McCain wasn't my idea of a man who would make a great President but I voted for him because I feared Obama because I knew he couldn't do all he promised and if he would lie to the people in the campaign, I worried what he would do if he became President.

While Mitt isn't my idea of a great candidate and I'm still looking at his records, etc., but I definitely am voting for him, as I feel he is more honest. He doesn't speak as well as Obama, but I won't base my decision on someone who can speak well. ;-)

Now I have to go. My eyes are really watering and can barely see.

That is the main reason I cannot vote for Obama - again --divided this nation terribly, not united.
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Absurd. The GOP's tectonic shift to the right - divided the nation
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and their own party to boot. Get real.
Agree. GOP has gone too far to the right. (nm) - former Republican, now Independent
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I'm a left leaning independent married to a - former Republican sm
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My husband is a registered Republican, (though he's never voted strictly according to party lines). He's incensed that the party has up and left him. For the first time in our lives, we won't be cancelling out each other's vote come election day.
Wow. Happy to stand corrected. In this case, - their shift led to unity.
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My sister finds herself in the same situation with your husband. Though I'm glad to hear she's refusing to give Romney her vote, I really don't like to see her feeling so betrayed and abandoned. I think if Romney loses, the GOP will have to see the writing on the wall and pull themselves back toward the middle where they belong and she can reclaim her political identity next time around.
I will never understand any women voting for - the Romney/Ryan ticket SM
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specifically, issues regarding women. Ending funding for Planned Parenthood, which provides care for thousands of women, mammograms, cancer screenings, etc. Trying to stop most forms of birth control by promoting an amendment to give an embryo 14th amendment rights. Most probably appointing SC judges that would in all likelihood reverse Roe v Wade, relegating us to the time when "back street" abortions were prevalent. Against fair pay for equal work. For the Blunt amendent, which would allow an employer to decide based on their religious or moral beliefs whether contraception would be offered in their health insurance. Do you really want your daughters to live in a world such as this? I know that jobs are important, but this is important as well, and all women should be offended by this.

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