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For the person below who doesn't think unions help raise prices, here's a few teeny facts
Posted: Apr 15, 2011
A few facts for you.
There are 3 large unions in the U.S.: the AFL-CIO, SEIU, and National Education Association. Do you know what the AFL-CIO initials stand for? The American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO) is a voluntary federation of 56 national and international labor unions. They represent 12.2 million members, including 3.2 million members in Working America, its community affiliate.
Affiliates of the AFL-CIO are:
Airline Pilots Association (ALPA)
Amalgamated Transit Union (ATU)
American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE)
American Federation of Musicians of the United States and Canada (AFM)
American Federation of School Administrators (AFSA)
American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME)
American Federation of Teachers (AFT)
American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (AFTRA)
American Postal Workers Union (APWU)
American Radio Association (ARA)
American Train Dispatchers Association (ATDA)
Associated Actors and Artistes of America (4As)
Actors' Equity Association (AEA)
American Guild of Musical Artists (AGMA)
American Guild of Variety Artists (AGVA)
Screen Actors Guild (SAG)
The Guild of Italian American Actors (GIAA)
Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union (BCTGM)
Brotherhood of Railroad Signalmen (BRS)
California School Employees Association (CSEA)
Communications Workers of America (CWA)
Association of Flight Attendants (AFA-CWA)
Farm Labor Organizing Committee (FLOC)
Glass, Molders, Pottery, Plastics and Allied Workers International Union (GMP)
International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employes, Moving Picture Technicians, Artists and Allied Crafts of the United States, Its Territories and Canada (IATSE)
International Association of Bridge, Structural, Ornamental and Reinforcing Iron Workers (Ironworkers)
International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF)
International Association of Heat and Frost Insulators and Allied Workers
International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM)
International Brotherhood of Boilermakers, Iron Ship Builders, Blacksmiths, Forgers and Helpers (IBB)
International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW)
International Federation of Professional and Technical Engineers (IFPTE)
International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU)
International Longshoremen's Association (ILA)
International Plate Printers, Die Stampers and Engravers Union of North America
International Union of Allied Novelty and Production Workers (Novelty and Production Workers)
International Union of Bricklayers and Allied Craftworkers (BAC)
International Union of Elevator Constructors (IUEC)
International Union of Operating Engineers (IUOE)
International Union of Painters and Allied Trades of the United States and Canada (IUPAT)
International Union of Police Associations (IUPA)
Laborers' International Union of North America (LiUNA)
National Postal Mail Handlers Union (NPMHU)
Marine Engineers' Beneficial Association (MEBA)
Professional Aviation Safety Specialists (PASS)
National Air Traffic Controllers Association (NATCA)
National Association of Letter Carriers (NALC)
National Nurses United (NNU)
Office and Professional Employees International Union (OPEIU)
Operative Plasterers' and Cement Masons' International Association of the United States and Canada (OPCMIA)
Seafarers International Union of North America (SIU)
Sheet Metal Workers International Association (SMWIA)
Transport Workers Union of America (TWU)
Transportation Communications International Union/IAM (TCU/IAM)
UNITEHERE! (UNITEHERE!)
United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipe Fitting Industry of the United States and Canada (UA)
United Automobile, Aerospace & Agricultural Implement Workers of America International Union (UAW)
United Mine Workers of America (UMWA)
United Steel, Paper and Forestry, Rubber, Manufacturing, Energy, Allied Industrial & Service Workers International Union (USW)
United Transportation Union (UTU)
United Union of Roofers, Waterproofers and Allied Workers (Roofers and Waterproofers)
Utility Workers Union of America (UWUA)
Writers Guild of America, East Inc. (WGAE)
The Service Employees International Union (SEIU) is a socialist, politically powerful labor union with 2 million members in the United States, Canada, and Puerto Rico, and the largest union of property service workers in the United States. It is closely affiliated with the Democratic Party and is tightly controlled by labor boss Andy Stern.
The SEIU represents four service industry divisions and has 2 million members:
Hospital Systems – SEIU is the largest union of health care workers in the US. The hospital systems division represents caregivers and hospital employees, including nurses and doctors in public, private, and non-profit medical institutions.
Long-Term Care – SEIU is the largest union of long-term care workers in the US. These are home care and nusing home workers who provide services in both facility and private home settings for seniors and the disabled.
Public Services – SEIU is the second largest union of public service employees composed of local and state government workers, public school employees, bus drivers, and child care providers.
Security Services – SEIU is the largest security union, representing Securitas Security Services USA, which employs 1,800 security officers at Kaiser medical facilities in five states. The motto for the SEIU security union is, "Stand for Security," accompanied with their very own SEIU security logo.
I haven't even looked at the National Education Association but I'm sure everyone knows who they cover. ....so unions, in their membership roles, have every single occupation covered in this country. So tell me prices don't go up because of unions....
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Look into how low wages... - no1joe
[ In Reply To ..]cost the taxpayers money. Start with Walmart.
If you pay a person a decent working wage with benefits, that employee will not have to rely on taxpayer dollars to make up the difference. Plus they have a little bit of pocket change to invest back into the community through purchases. Treating your employees is a good thing.
That should have been... - no1joe
[ In Reply To ..]treating your employees "right" is a good thing.
Sorry!
YES! Treating employees well pays off, and unions have been an important part of - supporting workers!
[ In Reply To ..]I would not have survived if it hadn't been for unions.
You survived on the backs of the rest of - us because your raise
[ In Reply To ..]and bennies trickle down to ALL of we consumers. It paid off well for you...for us, not so much. at least you got a raise to help you with the raised prices...again, us, not so much.
You are kinda looking like the greedy people you all are always talking about...from where I sit. as long as you get yours, what difference does it make how much it costs us, right??
Not buying it - no1joe
[ In Reply To ..]Survived on the backs of the rest of us? Are you serious? Look... employees - union or not - who are paid well do not have to live off taxpayers' money in order to keep a roof over their head, food in their stomachs, or clothes on their and their children's backs. That saves you money right there. Second, if an employee is paid well, they will take part of what they make and invest it back into the community by spending money... perhaps in a business that employs YOU. Get it? A teamster "union goon" is more likely to go and seek medical care through that "sweet" benefits package they get, ultimately providing doctors, nurses, techs, etc., and transcriptionists with work. How is that surviving off someone's elses back when you ultimately get just as much benefit in the end?
You can't have it both ways...either low - prices at Wal-Mart or
[ In Reply To ..]unionize the employees and no more low prices. Take your pick.
And for all your panning of Wal-Mart, in my little town where they built a Super Center, there are a lot of people who are tickled pink to have a job and think Wal-Mart treats them just fine. Beats driving 30 miles in any direction one way to find another job.
There are a lot of us who like the low prices at Wal-Mart and judging by how the shelves empty on "check day," a lot of the folks enjoying the government tit like the low prices as well. Plus, their $5 co-pay prescriptions help a LOT of the elderly out here.
And I might add....Wal-Mart gives regularly and generously to charitable causes around here. And you will find that same case in a lot of small towns out here in flyover land.
If folks don't want to work at Wal-Mart without a union need to go to one of the bazillion other chains who ARE unionized. There is a list somehwere posted below. Of course, several of those chains have lost out to Wal-Mart because no matter WHAT people say about how the employees are treated, most of them shop at Wal-Mart and that includes the ones doing the griping, using their employee DISCOUNT.
sigh.
Most of the employees of Walmart - no1joe
[ In Reply To ..]ARE on the government "tit" as you call it even though many probably think it's rude. Walmart directs their employees on how to get food stamps, WIC, etc. And most of their employees are paid so poorly that they have no choice but to buy the cheap junk they sell. And this is okay because they offer $5 prescriptions? You as a taxpayer are more than paying for that $5 break. Look into their business practices and how they treat their employees (here and overseas) as well as where the majority of their charitable contributions come from. Afterwards, if you can still shop there and sleep at night, more power to ya. I have a feeling you won't have any trouble at all.
Not in the small town where I live. Wal-Mart - came here when no other
[ In Reply To ..]chain would...they gave an employment opportunity that we would not have had around here. You obviously know nothing about people who live in flyover America...these people are NOT on the government tit and are glad Wal-Mart is here to keep them OFF it. So if you want to criticize Wal-Mart, you go ahead, but small towns all over this country are glad they settled here.
And, I wish you would refrain from the smart-A remarks. Wal-Mart is it other than a 30-mile one way drive in any direction. They give generously and often to local charities. The people who work there are my friends, neighbors, and family and none of them feel like Wal-Mart is screwing them over.
So if you want to plead on behalf of the wal mart workers wherever you live on the government tit, go right ahead.
You will not find that here, and you will certainly not find people who think that the rest of the country should support them. We believe in supporting ourselves.
You really should not speak like you know how every wal-mart in every town treats their employees.
Yes, I can still shop there and sleep at night. And if those very employees who are griping and suing did not shop there and use their discounts pigs are flying all over southern California.
You sure do have some attitude there, ms or mr...joe. You obviously DO think you are no.1. lol.
You have the nerve to comment on my attitude - no1joe
[ In Reply To ..]when you are over the top obnoxious and using the word "tit" more than once?
Anyhow, obviously you don't know anything about Walmart's business practices. I suggest you check them out before you go defending them. Afterwards, check yourself.
You know, Joe, you really need to get off - that high horse before
[ In Reply To ..]you fall off and hurt yourself.
And you need to get out - no1joe
[ In Reply To ..]and develop some social skills. Once you do, you'll realize that you get what you dish out. I am usually very polite to everyone on this board unless I'm faced with an attitude as poor as yours, in which case, I'm not going to extend that courtsey. You give me obnoxious, I give back rude. Not eveyone who finds your posts obnoxious is on a high horse. I'm actually very down to earth.
Again, research Walmart. It'll keep you busy for a while, and everyone deserves to know who they're doing business with.
You just keep ignoring the fact that I have - personal experience
[ In Reply To ..]that you do not. And incidentially, you are not always polite. You should go back and read some of your own posts.
You should not presume to lecture people about how horrible Wal-Mart is when there are a lot of people who work there who do not share your opinion. As I said, I realize that individual responsibility and true community are foreign concepts to you, and of course unions are a necessary part of keeping the socialism myth alive...but believe it or not, there are still people who DO believe in individual responsibility and taking care of their own and their neighors if their neighbors need help...without the interference of the government.
You did not answer my question...how much do you think a Wal-Mart worker should make? You really don't think guys on a line in a car factory being paid over $20 an hour to use a power screw gun don't contribute to cars that cost in excess of 10 grand? You really don't think the teamster "goons" (your words not mine) and what they charge don't result in higher prices of the goods they are hauling? And as I pointed out, they do not stay around my little town to spend a dime. Wal-Mart contibutes a lot more to my little community than the teamsters do, I can assure you.
YOU should really get out into the country and see how the other half lives, and not base your great knowledge of every Wal-Mart store on what you selectively search on the internet.
I don't need to research Wal-Mart corporate. I know what they do in my small town and I know what they pay my friends, relatives, neighbors. And believe me...I would rather they have my back than yours. Because if I am not a union loving government handout toady you don't have time for me.
Believe me, that message got to us in flyover America a long time ago.
If the Democrats do manage to reduce us to bread lines again, my neigbors will be sharing theirs with me...while you will probably have to lock your doors to keep yours from stealing it from you.
Thanks SO much for further drilling into me the kindness and compassion of liberals and unions...LOL.
OBNOXIOUS - no1joe
[ In Reply To ..]and delusional. You really do need to work on those social skills and stop perpetuating preconceived notions you have regarding those who do not live in the "flyover states." Lock our doors to prevent stealing (in your delusional land of bread lines)? But, hey, you got to see just what we do for one another in a time of need (a real one) back in 2001. In case you don't remember, it wasn't stealing, and if you want to get a sense of what good people are, you don't need to look any further than right here. You really do need to get out more (other than going to Walmart) and expand the mind.
As to your question (which I don't recall you asking before) regarding how much a Walmart employee should make, IMO, it should be enough to keep a roof over their head, food in their stomach, clothes on their backs, be able go to the doctor when sick, etc., all OFF the government dime. There is no reason whatsoever that an employee who works 40 hours a week shouldn't be able to take care of themselves. These aren't lazy people, rather people working for a greedy corporation who expect taxpayers to foot the bill for their employees. But, if this is acceptable "good business" in your eyes, I guess it's wrong for anyone to say differently.
CONDESCENDING - PRATTLE....
[ In Reply To ..]and you are so good at it. Lifelong liberal, right?
I had no preconceived notions about anyone actually, have been registered Independent all along, none of that party stuff for me....before I decided to really get involved and start looking. I only wish I had started sooner. It did not take me long to realize that liberals are big talkers but their words do not in any way, shape, or form translate themselves into action. They "say" they are all about helping the poor and downtrodden...yet in action do everything possible to keep them there to dangle freebies to them as a voting bloc. Shame on them for doing it, and you for supporting it. And it doesn't take long for liberals to lose that we love everybody tone when you challenge them...as you have pointed out for all to see in this thread.
Delusional land of bread lines? If you liberals go unchecked and China forecloses...oh, this is the part where you tell me I am delusional again. Righttt. Frankly, why would I listen to someone who doesn't realize a 14 trillion dollar debt is a big deal?
If YOU are an example of what is out there past my little town, no thanks. Get the definite impression you wouldn't spit on me if I was on fire.
Newsflash...my friends and neighbors (and some relatives) who work at Wal-Mart are NOT on the government dime. They have a roof, they feed themselves and their children and they do not go to work naked and the kids do not go to school naked. They are happy to have the job and not have to drive 30 mi one way to make less money. Of course, they don't have a flat screen and DVD from the Rent-A-Center, they don't drive late model cars, and they don't eat out a whole lot. Perhaps if some of those folks on the government dime would learn to live without the flat screen TVs from Rent-A-Center, DVD players and direct TV with DVR, they would not require as much. Until they could afford those things AND the roof, food, and clothes.
Just for a moment, let's say you are right, that wal-mart workers are working for a greedy corporation who expect taxpayers to foot the bill for their employees. How is that any worse than you/liberal/Democrat/progressive or whatever you are calling yourselves today...wanting the taxpayers to foot the bill for your freebie folks? You know as well as I do there are more on the government "dime" than should be or need to be. Why not put them to work for that check on helping with infrastructure projects that everybody (including Obama) says needs to be done but talking is all that gets done? Not all construction jobs are highly skilled. Especially in small communities...those who are physically and mentally able to work should be doing so and contributing to the tax base. Oh but why do that...just raise the taxes on those who did work hard and have done well in this country. Yeah, make THEM pay for the flat screen and Direct TV and DVR, those $100 tennis shoes and Hollister jeans.
And I repeat...if they want to make more than a Wal-Mart checker, they need to go to work somewhere besides Wal-Mart. There always have been and always will be different jobs with different scales of compensation. So if you really want to help those people, if that is really your intention, then instead of encouraging people to screech about something that is not going to change, educate them so that they can find better jobs. Trouble is, most of them don't want that. They just want to do a minimum wage job but get paid a non-minimum wage to do it. However, I have seen, in my local Wal-Mart, people start stocking and move up to department manager level. It happens. But, like most things, you actually have to WORK for it. No, not everyone can become a manager. It also takes ambition.
Hey, you blame me for thinking Wal-Mart is acceptable, yet all on board for continuing the government dime being spent when we are running a 14-trillion deficit that grows every day and ignoring it like it doesn't exist...when I look at those two things, you want to guess which one I think is the biggest threat to this country? Clue: It is NOT Wal-Mart.
You are the one that needs to get outside the city limits and talk to some of the people in the flyover states. Much like a business acquaintance of mine who lives in Boston. Could not figure out for the life of him how a Republican could win Teddy Kennedy's seat. Everyone he talked to was appalled, he said. How could that happen in the bluest state in the Union? I advised him to get outside of Boston and talk to the other people in MA.
I suggest you do the same. It is people like us who handed the Dems their biggest defeat in years at the midterms. We woke up and don't like what we saw and are seeing. We got tired of being talked down to and minimized by people like you. And contrary to popular opinion, we don't hate Democrats. I live in the only Democratic county in a very red state...well, it was until midterms when every Democrat lost his/her job from the governor on down. We are just not thrilled with what they are DOING.
But please, do go on, insulting, condescending, belittling, demeaning....you just need to understand, though I KNOW it chaps you, our votes count just like yours do. You can try to circumvent us with the Republicans want to kill granny and eat your children and Wal-Mart wants to starve you all to death (though I don't see chains on the doors keeping the employees from going in or OUT) rhetoric all you want. We stopped listening to what you say a LONG time ago. We have done our due diligence. We have looked at history. We have been watching you since the midterms. We KNOW you. Sometimes your impassioned social speeches sound really, really good. But, alas...when the curtain is lifted, what is there is not what was promised.
You can say anything you like. When liberals start acting like they understand the financial state of this country and are willing to make the hard adult choices that need to be made after years of spending like overprivileged rich children, maybe we will listen again.
prattle - a1typist
[ In Reply To ..]Amen sister! I too know many people who work at WalMart and have moved up the ranks. They are all happy with their positions and have done quite well for themselves. One young lady I know has worked for them since she was 18 and now owns her own townhome and has her car entirely paid for....all while working at WalMart and raising her son on her own! I totally agree with most all of your posts and congratulate you for having the guts to stand up to all the left-wing bullies...
kindness and compassion of liberals and unions? - cj
[ In Reply To ..]Perhaps you have never seen the violence of a union strike, the destruction of properly that ensues, or the injuries people have sustained when the union telling their members to strike. I have. My dad worked in a union shop (not his choice to be a union member but MANDATORY if you worked there) where the union told them not to accept what the company offered and to strike. People who chose to work had their cars damaged, their families threatened, several sustained injuries including broken legs, arms and jaws among other things. In the end, the company closed the doors and all of them lost their jobs. Did the union do anything for those displaced workers? Did the union guys lose out? Not one bit. They just went right on "representing" members who worked for other companies, collecting the dues and lining their own pockets. If that is kindness and compassion, you can have it.
My dad, on the other hand, worked for a union that was effective and responsible - and because of that we had food and clothes
[ In Reply To ..]It's probably like anything else, there are good and bad. I know the union leaders in the case of my dad's job. They are fine people with good work ethics. I got to know them well over the years and consider them to be family friends.
Many of the rank and file ARE good. - No doubt about it.
[ In Reply To ..]does not change the fact that when they negotiate for higher wages and bennies that the product price will not support, then the employer has to raise his prices, which are passed on to all consumers, all taxpayers, whether they be union or not. I am sure rank and file union members think they are only gouging the employer...but to stay in business, he has to pass on those costs. That is way it works. And at some point, there should be a limit on how much compensation some guy who runs a power screwdriver on a line can make. Union management does do not share that view. They end up pushing so hard sometimes they drive the company right out of business. at which point they dust off their hands and move on to the next unionization, and their members in that town are...well...out of luck.
Just look at the money at the top of the union (management salaries, etc.) and the money at the bottom of the union (the rank and file) and you will see that the humanitarian unions of the past have been gobbled up by the greed machine...many with ties to organized crime, etc.
Unions are a political arm of the Democratic party. Sad, but true.
The union management I've known have been fine people and did not fit your description - It i not a One Size Fits All
[ In Reply To ..]The union management that I know are some of the finest people I've ever known in my life. Are there bad union people? Of course! It's like anything else. Nothing will be perfect until we get to Heaven.
I meant top management of the union...not - local people. How
[ In Reply To ..]many of them have you met? National management.
The dealings I have had with national union leaders have been good - nm
[ In Reply To ..]nm
Oh yeah...found Jimmy Hoffa yet? - LOL.
[ In Reply To ..]nm
Everyone has personal experience - sm
[ In Reply To ..]My sister has worked at walmart for over 20 years. The majority of the rest of my family members work in unionized occupations. I personally DO NOT.
It is irrational to be so against unionized workers. The only explanation is the anger is seriously misplaced.
Unions NEGOTIATE for what they want along with the corporate leadership. They are paid for their skills according to what the corporation/business owners and shareholders feel is fair.
Union members are not robbing anyone or taking money from anyone. Who else can afford to actually buy anything worth any money these days? They are paid a FAIR wage that they NEGOTIATED in a LEGAL contract.
It has absolutely NOTHING to do with anyone other than the employees and the company. No one is telling you they think YOU make too much. You deserve as much as your skills are worth.
Logic has completely abandoned "flyover" America, apparently.
you forget about .... - dnh
[ In Reply To ..]All the towns where Walmart came in and drove the other businesses out. Mom and pop operations and independent retailers, many of which have been around for decades, handed down from mom and dad to children and to their children, cannot survive when a Walmart comes in. I will boycott Walmart from now until the day I die for exactly that reason. That is the main reason I would boycott Walmart (and there are others). Walmart has no social conscience at all. In our town, the one and only mall shut down store by store after Walmart got a stronghold and everyone in every business in that mall lost their jobs. They had to go to work for Walmart, for many at significantly lower wages and lousier benefits. Others had to make a choice to drive 20 or 30 miles to work each day in another town to work for someone other Walmart. In our state, Walmart is #1 on the list of employers where the employees are forced to Medicaid (state aid) because they don't get benefits from the company and are paid so little they couldn't pay for benefits even if offered. The only thing that makes me angrier is that people are dumb enough to shop there and support them and allow them to get away with crap.
No, I did not forget it. Did not happen in my - town. Because we
[ In Reply To ..]did not abandon the mom and pops. We still have the hardware store with the wood floors that has been here since I was a kid. The dry goods store was here until the owners passed away. We have several little gift shops, etc. We have another large grocery store owned by local people. When the SuperCenter came with the grocery part, it did not drive the other store out. He, in fact, 3 years ago built a bigger building and hired more people. They co-exist just fine. The assistant manager at the other store is my cousin. He shops at Wal-Mart too. Their employees are not unionized either. They make about the same as the people at Wal-Mart. Most of the people who work both places are either women who want a little extra income, or high school students. A grocery store is generally not a career. It is a transition place. Which is what Wal-Mart should be viewed as, unless you go there with ambition and try to move up in the managerial ranks.
However, if you make the choice to make Wal Mart your career with zero ambition, why should the customers of Wal-Mart pay higher prices so you could draw the wages of a more highly skilled job? You tout unions, and one basic tenet of a union is better pay for higher skills. How many levels of checkout are there??
Well...personally I don't like paying 5 figures for cars...in large part due to unions asking more in wages and bennies than the product price will support. I don't like paying more to ship a package UPS because teamsters thought they needed 2-3 more dollars an hour. Hey, there's a thought. All those checkers at Wal-Mart need to go apply at UPS..oh wait. They don't have the skills. I don't like paying higher property taxes to support more teachers who work less hours and graduate kids who can't spell.
I could go on, but I think you get the picture. Wal-Mart is not doing anything to its employees that this government is not doing to me.
Point is...seems to be all or nothing with you. Every Wal-Mart in every town needs to GO,no matter how much it contributes to the local economy or gives local people jobs, because YOU have decided it be so.
There is nothing dumb about it, and it is insensitive and condescending of you to say that, but...that seems to be the liberal way of dealing with things...kind of you're with us or you are stupid mentality.
Which really does not help your cause...but please...insult and belittle to your heart's content.
Bet you are a closest walmart shopper too. lol.
what you don't know..... - dnh
[ In Reply To ..]Is that I am not a liberal. I am a conservative, very much so. and I don't like unions one bit and am totally anti-union. I think unions have outlived their usefulness and are now just all about greedy union bosses and not one bit about the employee. But a person who works as a checker at WalMart is working and should be able to live, too, and should be able to afford housing, food, clothing and health care, too, without needing public assistance. Sam Walton et al sure made a freaking fortune off of paying those crappy wages. WalMart is a super rich company who treats their employees badly and burdens governments with expenses that they should be taking care of for their employees, and no, I am not a closet WalMart shopper and never will be. You do not know one thing about me so don't make assumptions because it doesn't do your cause any good either.
again....you should not presume that all - Wal-Mart workers lament
[ In Reply To ..]their situation. Many, like those in my town, would not have a job period if it were not for Wal-Mart. They also contribute to local charities and school programs. Again...there will always be minium-wage type jobs. A checker at Wal-mart or someoneworking the counter at a fast food place should make minimum wage. Just like anyone else, if they don't want to be a checker all their lives they need to learn some kind of a skill and move up that way.
Whenever I hear "made a freaking fortune" all I hear is envy that has little to do with the plight of the wal-mart worker. Maybe you should read the story of sam walton. He was not born rich. He had a good idea and parlayed it into a huge money makingcorporation. As did Bill Gates. Would you like to start ragging on Bill Gates who instead of paying minimum wage offshores jobs?
Not all jobs are meant to be the primary breadwinner...a checker at wal mart is one of those. However,I would rather THOSEpeoplewho are working and contributing to the tax base some assistance than those who refuse to work but are unwilling to. Probably another difference in us, yes?
And,frankly, if I have to choose between the way the Obama admin and Democrats et al aredealing with a 14 trillion budget or wal-mart as being worse for the country, I will pick Obama and the Democrats every time.
Perhaps if they sstarted by getting everyone off assistance who refuse to work, we could tacklesome of that deficit and make it easier to support people who need aLITTLE assistance than TOTAL assistance.
Thanks for the debate.
Then shop at Walmart (the low price leader) - sm
[ In Reply To ..]and buy cheap imported crap from China. The unions have certainly NOT had an adverse effect on prices there.
Afterall, they keep prices low by keeping wages low and offering next to nothing in benefits.
But wait, they do have those heart tugging commercials promoting how their workers are able to afford houses and have great educational opportunities. Hmm, all those lawsuits from current and former Walmart employees must just be a UNION conspiracy.
They buy cheap imported crap from China - because the people
[ In Reply To ..]who shop there want low prices. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. If people didn't want "cheap imported crap from China" they wouldn't have any customers.
Funny, all the hundreds of people I see in there, I never hear them complaining about cheap crap from China.
IN a lot of small towns across this nation, there are a lot of people really GLAD that Wal-Mart paid attention to us when all the big UNIONIZED chains would not spit on us if we were on fire, because not enough members (translated DUES) to make it worth their while.
I will take Wal-Mart ANY day over unions. Unions care about one thing...dues. Well, dues and the DNC, their bedfellows.
Share with us please... - sm
[ In Reply To ..]What UNIONIZED chains are you talking about? Safeway is the only unionized grocer still around that I am aware of, and they are in the Western US.
If your small town was "ignored" it wasn't because union retailers did want to do business there. THERE ARE NO UNIONIZED GROCERS OR LARGE BOX STORES LEFT IN THE US.
Do you have Target, do you have Kroger or any one of the other names Kroger goes by throughout the US, DO you have Winco, Winn-Dixie, etc? NONE of those retailers are unionized.
But Albertson's, Stater Brothers and Safeway are. - Are you certain there are no
[ In Reply To ..]unionized grocers left? I am pretty sure there are.
We don't. We have to go 30 miles or more, too, - Backwards Typist
[ In Reply To ..]like the other poster said, if we want to shop at the stores you mentioned. We do have a large food store but I don't know if they are unionized or not.
We have a Sears and K-Mart 20 miles away, a Lowe's, Tractor Supply,and Home Depot 15 miles away.
That's it for stores locally except for small grocery stores that do very well because they are close and located in each town, mostly mom and pop stores.
If you want to know, go to the UFCW website. - All of the unionized
[ In Reply To ..]are listed there. The list is pretty darned long. The closest Target to me is 40 miles one way or 65 the other. Same with Kroger. No Winn-Dixies around here.
And ask the UFCW workers in California - how the union worked out for them
[ In Reply To ..]a few years ago. Took their money, forced them to strike and then lost a lot of ground for them. They would have been better off with the original deal and a friend of mine wouldn't have lost his car while they were striking. You can bet that the heads of the union got paid during that time.
You would think this would be common sense - sm
[ In Reply To ..]When an employer has to pay employees more to make a good or provide a service, the price goes up to compensate. Why do you think we can buy China made crap so cheap. They pay their people hardly anything to work. Another huge reason why a lot of work has gone out of our country and you can't hardly buy American made goods anymore. The same thing happens when gas prices go up or businesses are taxed more....that is then passed on to us through higher prices. I just don't understand why people can't get that.
Oh, I think most of the posters here DO - get it....because they
[ In Reply To ..]surely are not stupid. However, the truth does not support the socialist agenda. They would rather post the same old talking points over and over and over again and hope enough people will just "believe" in the "change" again without checking the facts.
It worked for them for a long time, I have to admit. But....the scales have fallen off a LOT of eyes across America....it reminds me of that T-Mobile and I-Phone commercial...Hey,I-Phone, what happened to your shirt? Oh, I had to give it to AT&T for my data plan. AT&T guy says "yes you get the privilege of paying more and getting less. Which makes sense if you don't think about it."
LOTS of things make sense if you don't think about them. LOL.
"Socialist agenda" - mbmt
[ In Reply To ..]Any time we don't agree with you, we get the old "socialist" crap.
When I posted the info on the unions (OP) - Backwards Typist
[ In Reply To ..]The info came directly from their site. The word socialist was underlined and in blue on the site, so I was NOT adding to it. They admitted they were a socialist organization, so that shoots your theory down.
I was not responding to OP - mbmt
[ In Reply To ..]Backwards typist, I was not responding to your original post but rather to the person who posted just prior to my "socialist agenda" post. You and I do not see eye to eye on a lot of things, but I do think you are a reasonable person and respect your viewpoint.
Sorry for misinterpreting and thank you for the compliment - Backwards Typist
[ In Reply To ..]I try to be reasonable and do respect your viewpoints too, except when I get too politically agitated (like last week).
It's hard to sort through all the crap we all read and listen to every day. Who is telling the truth anymore? I can't ever remember a time when things were so agitating and Congress fighting each other rather than working together. I don't know what happened, but it's not the America it used to be and I really find it disheartening that it's come to this.
It does not matter whether I agree with - or not. If the agenda is
[ In Reply To ..]is socialist, it is socialist. I do agree, however, that socialism is crap. lol.
Over the years I have seen the - sm
[ In Reply To ..]pendulum of union compensation swing high and away to the detrement of our taxpayers.Union leadership has killed the goose that laid the golden egg in the private sector. Yes, there have been good things that have resulted from unions to the benefit of all....but like any group that attains some degree of power,the abuse and entitlement mentality superceeds the original purpose for their existence.
But there are also the unions that are taking - dues and not standing
[ In Reply To ..]up for their workers. Brother works for a national waste management company. His bennies (which were nothing special to begin with) have gotten slashed, his hours cut (due to downturn in construction biz), and all trucks now have a monitoring system that cost the company millions. (They found out that the job takes as long as it takes). The company screws the employees 7 ways from Sunday and the union reps are never to be found.
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