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Posted: May 23, 2011

So, I've got a friend who is always calling me up when she is in crisis only.  I hardly ever hear from her unless there is some disaster in her life and this past winter she and her 16 year old daughter even moved in with me for 3 months while she and her boyfriend were separating after 13 years living together. 

I am a very active gal, always going to movies, to dinner with friends and to any art exhibit, wine tasting, interesting event I can find.  While they were here they went with me to a lot of my outings.  It seemed to cheer my friend up a lot.  She is normally a couch potato stay at home mom, not a great housekeeper, the kind of person who thinks that getting dressed to go somewhere is "too much like work".  (i know she's depressed...)

They moved out and I hardly hear from them except when she's an emotional wreck.  Anyway, I try to include her in as many things as I can, and she always brings her daughter!  I had passes to a museum exhibit and she talked me into letting her go.  The day of the show she called me 15 minutes before they were suppose to be here and cancelled!  My sister had wanted to go and I could have planned on that.  We were going to meet at the movies and I went, bought my ticket and was waiting in the lobby, she stood me up and sent her daughter!  Never even called me! 

We went to a concert and she knew that I only had 2 tickets, yet brought her daughter anyway!  I had to stand in line with them to get her a ticket (defeated the whole buy in advance concept...)  then the kid complained the whole show.  The last straw was when I joined a new gym.  I go regularly and she asked me to get a trial pass for her, I did and I didn't count on her meeting me there and went for my training session like I had scheduled.  HER DAUGHTER SHOWED UP with the pass I got for my friend!!!  That was it. 

I was going to a book reading where wine and goodies were going to be served and invited her.  I told her that her daughter would not be able to come because wine was going to be served, she brought her anyway... 

I have tried and tried and tried to be a good friend, to include her in a lot of things I do but I am always getting stood up or having to entertain the daughter as a substitute friend!  I don't want to hang out with a whiny teenager!  I also think she should know when and where a teen can go.  I told my friend that I didn't appreciate how she treated me and that I really didn't think it was cool that she bring her daughter along to EVERYTHING that adults do, and she is mad at ME!  Her daughter has called me 4 times today to cuss at me.  I have no patience for bad mouthed kids so I warned her that if she called one more time I'd call the police and make a report and that I was recording her calls. 

Does anyone out there hang out with their kids like a friend?  See I just don't see that it's a healthy relationship.  Her daughter doesn't seem to have friends, but there are just simply times that a child in the equation is not appropriate (like wine tastings, bars or clubs...  she has tried to bring her daughter everywhere!)

Anyway... I'm also a bit hurt that my so-called friend would be this way.  I don't want her to feel like I've turned my back on her because she's in an emotionally fragile state, but I want her to understand that I don't think she is treating me right.  Any ideas on how to drive my point home?  

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"A very attractive gal" - GetOverYourselfAlready

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Call the police on your friend? Really?

FYI as a parent I will tell you that teenagers are going to be exposed to alcohol anyway. As far as her going with you, I guess it was rude because you asked her not to bring her, BUT taking your teenager out with you is not a crime. If the bar or establishment allows it then who are you to be a judge. Are you aware they serve alcohol at Chuckie Cheese? Just curious. It seems that you do not have a lot of experience with appropriate behavior. There is nothing wrong with having a drink around your children.

Geez....

re: getoveryourself - a mom too

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Oh PLEASE!!! Of course teens are exposed to stuff, but that's not the OP's problem! It is NOT normal to drag your kid with you everywhere you go or send them as a substiture in your place! What if the OP wants the adult company? Should she be subjected to the company of the child also? I don't think so! I have kids too, teens, and I don't drag them around when I hang out with my friends, EPSECALLY on ladies night.

Appropriate behavior??? That girl does need a lesson or two on that obvously! I would NEVER allow my child to chew out a friend of mine if she and I had a beef!

But if you hang out with your kids like they were your friends and drink around them, whatever... I totally understand where OP was coming from. I would not tolerate a child speaking to me that way either, and I'd warn the parent, then also do the same thing she did.

Geez! Some parents...

Actually, she said "a very ACTIVE gal"... - anon

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Nothing like waiting for an opportunity to bash only to realize later that you've MISread, eh?

re: Getoveryourself - HAHAHA!

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In your rush to flame you totally messed up!!! She says she's "very active", not attractive! ROFL!

PS... When alcohol is involved, I tell my friends who have kids. Their decisions do not reflect on me. I do not serve kids alcohol in MY home. You can do whatever you like in your home, in my house, you play by my rules. My teens are NOT allowed to drink. There will be plenty of time for them in the outside world. I set examples for my kids and we DON'T "party" in front of them at all. It would be irresponsible for me as a mother to set that example. I think OP is right, there are times that kids simply should stay at home.

GetOverYourselfAlready - 1mt

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You may want to re-read the OP's post. She said she is a very "active" gal, not attractive. Just FYI.

I think the OP has every reason to be upset with her so-called friend's behavior. Taking a teenage daughter or child of any age to everything you do with your friends is inappropriate and then sending the daughter in place of herself without discussing it is quite strange. I don't think the majority of women or men for that matter would do such a thing. If you can't make it to your planned outing, then you need to let your friend know. This other chickadee seems to be using her friend when it is convenient for her... and maybe using the friend as a babysitter for the daughter when she can't attend her planned outings. The daughter, however, is old enough to be home alone, so you never know what is going on with this woman.

re: bad friend - omg

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She is depressed, but she is also a bad friend! If I were you I'd separate myself from her. She and her daughter seem to have an unhealthy friend/friend relationship instead of a parent/child relationship. They are probably very dependent on each other. Best to not count on her ever being a good friend and try to let it go. You can't fix her, so you might as well learn now.

For what its worth, I think you handled the child well. How dare she treat you that way after you let they stay with you! I probably would have smacked her... lol! j/k... (not)

re: Open mouth - sm

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I agree with OMG, you can't fix people. She's a bad friend. Obviously not a good parent, but you recognize that she's depressed and that is probably a big factor in the way she behaves. She probably uses her daughter as a crutch. Sorry, I don't think you did anything wrong tho.

Having Slice Of Humble Pie - OMG

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Okay.....I misread. WOW....guess I need to get in the "Open Mouth Insert Foot" line. Sorry, the first line being misread changed my entire tone of my response.

re: Open mouth - DinoswarusRex

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Your friend has issues and you recognize that. it is not healthy to have a relationship like this with a child. They sound very co-dependent. You are great for trying to be a good friend, but until she snaps out of it, stop inviting her and if she asks to tag along, tell her to make her own arrangements to meet you there and get her own tickets. If her kid shows up, it's not on you. Sorry your feelings are hurt, but someone already said it "you can't fix people"...

At least you're active, so I'm sure you've got plenty of other friends and family (you mention a sister) to hang out with. You've tried, so don't lose any sleep over this.

re: friend and her daughter - sis

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My sister is like that with her daughter. Her daughter is 28, no job, no car, no friends, no social skills. Droped out of high school and never went back. I stopped asking my sis to hang out years ago and I miss her terribly. After she got divorced years and years ago she threw herself into being a "good mommy", but along the way blurred the lines. They have a very dysfunctional relationship. My sister still "feels guilty" about the affect the divorce had on her... Whatever. If you ask me it's plain old weird and like they said "unhealthy".

They do EVERYTHING together and neither have friends. My sister and daughter are pretty much shut ins.

I used to feel the same was as OP. If I asked my sister to do anything, it was to be "understood" that her daughter was coming. There was no regard or respect for what it might be, a bar, a party, a movie, the daughter came everywhere. She also listened in to every single word being said, like she was a grown up too, (back then...). It put a lot of friction on my relationship with my sis and eventually we just stopped talking. Your friend needs to pull her head out before it's too late for her. She's going to lose all social stills and contact with the outside world!

so I probably would have given my movie tickets to a teenage boy - AARPMom

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to meet the daughter, then leave them because something came up...

The issue is not that the daughter is showing up. The issue is your friend's detachment from being committed to carrying her side of the relationship. You have a right to expect some privacy btwn the two of you without the daughter being present. IF you decide to do any inviting in the future, you should tell your friend the event is for the two of you. If the daughter shows up, as politely as possible disinvite her by telling her the event is for ages 21 and up. Hold on to your ticket(s), enjoy the event, and kiss your friendship goodbye.

You can't force someone to carry their side of the relationship.

I feel your pain - so called "friends" sm

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I have a friend like this. She has a teenage son, whom she drags with us when we go out. He also has ADD and the conversation is always about him. I want adult company, but am polite as she is my friend for 20 years. She also cancels at the last minute, I mean right as I am walking out the door. Does not call, just says "sry, can't go." No respect for me as a friend. I have downgraded our friendship because of this treatment, you need to do the same. This friend of mine also calls whenever she has a crisis...period. Any other time I do not exist to her. Selfish and self centered.

I think some couples are very co-dependent - tnt

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so can't get comfortable without their counterpart. There is another friend post today, at teh top of the board about "bad friends". I agree with the others. Your friend is being a "bad friend". It is sad, but I seriously doubt that she's not aware of how she is behaving. She obviously wants her daughter to accompany her everywhere so just be very selective of the venues you invite her to in the future. Maybe when you call her less and invite her out less the light will click on. Sorry your friendship is suffering for this. I'm hope you have more than this person as a friend and that you keep going out. It sounds like you go to pretty cool places! Have fun, even by yourself if need be.

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