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Kitchen Aid stand mixer question
Posted: Jan 12, 2013
I received a Kitchen Aid stand mixer for Xmas and I am thrilled, but any time I try to make a risen dough, bread, pizza crust, etc., they do not rise sufficiently and seem tough. I always kneaded these things by hand and never had the problem, but when I use the mixer it does not seem right. Am I overmixing? I am following the instructions to the letter, so if anyone has any feedback, that would be appreciated. Last week we had the great pizza disaster of 2013 and all ate salami sandwiches for supper at 10 pm because the dough just would not rise. The bread I made was like a brick. I want to try chocolate babka, but I don't want to spend the time or money on ingredients if it just going to stink. Thanks in advance! I am sure there are some great bakers out there!;
Don't have a mixer, - but maybe...
[ In Reply To ..]Do you take the dough out of the mixer bowl to rise or are you leaving it in there? I'm wondering if that would make a difference.
Maybe this will help - See link
[ In Reply To ..]My husband bakes, and it sounds like part of your problem is over-kneading. I found a question/answer site on that, maybe this will help. It would appear that it's easier to over-knead with the stand-up mixer than if you are using another method.
http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/483188.
Did you try proofing your yeast - to make sure it was alive
[ In Reply To ..]and fresh? I know places like Pizza Hut use giant mixers to mix their pizza dough so apparently this is done all the time. Did you let your dough have a first rise in a warm place? It sounds to me like you have a problem with your yeast, either killing it with too hot water or it is old to begin with.
I don't know nuttin but ... - anon
[ In Reply To ..]The only yeast thing I bake is bread machine stuff and I use the rapid rise yeast for bread machines. If you didn't use that, might want to give it a try.
...also - See Msg
[ In Reply To ..]We bake here. Always, always add the flour slowly. You can end up with a cannon ball if you add to fast, the reason being that you don't know how much moisture was in the flour to begin with or not. You don't know where it was stored, dry, humid. Adding slowly will allow you to judge where you're at.
As to rising, sounds like dead yeast.
Don't blame the mixer :) - I have one
[ In Reply To ..]and use it all the time. Like above posters said, the problem is probably the yeast. I've "killed" yeast before by using water that was too hot. Try adding a dash of sugar to the yeast to act as a catalyst. Or, yeast might be past expiration date. The suggestion re. over-kneading is a good possibility, too. Don't give up on your mixer. I've used mine for over 20 years.
Also, make sure to not add salt - directly to the yeast
[ In Reply To ..]Add salt with the dry ingredients.
Thanks everybody! - OP
[ In Reply To ..]Wow so much great information. I am doing pretty much everything advised against, so these were great suggestions. My son and husband say I am just a terrible baker, but I am going to carry on with my mixer. I'm going to use all of your suggestions and go for that babka!
Just looked up Chocolate Babka recipe - wheres_my_job
[ In Reply To ..]I'd like to try it. Congratulations on your standup mixer - what color is it? :)
mixer - and have had same issues! - radMT
[ In Reply To ..]Yup, i have had the same happen to me multiple times with the dough. At first it was the yeast, dead as the others said. But I truly think its overmixing! has to be. otherwise it would have not been perfect those 1 or 2 times. Does anyone know if cold flour vs room temp flour makes a difference??
We use room temp flour - and never had problem-nm
[ In Reply To ..]xx
I got the caviar black one. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]The box said it was silver, but when opened it was black with a kind of bumpy finish and silver accents. I decided to keep it because it matched my stainless and black appliances.
It's nice, sophisticated - wheres_my_job
[ In Reply To ..]But I have to admit, my heart belongs to the retro colors - majestic yellow, pistachio, aqua sky.
There is one stainless steel/black stove in my kitchen - and an old white refrigerator. And then, where the dishwasher is supposed to be, there's a hole that I covered with a piece of purple flowered fabric. "Sigh."
Kitchen Aid - Donna
[ In Reply To ..]Oh my, I love my Kitchenaid and use it all the time. I've owned it about 12 years and works like a champ. However, I have had my shares of disasters when I was first learning how to use it. I would like to share some things I have found out for baking breads:
1. Always proof yeast. This alone has saved me a lot of frustration. Make sure you have a kitchen thermometer. Always measure the liquid temperature. I make sure that my water or milk is between 110 to 120. Too hot or too cold really affects the yeast.
2. Room temperature butter and eggs. Flour should be room temperature also.
3. Use a quality flour - I use King Arthur.
4. The recipe book that comes with the mixer is a good place to start to learn to use it, but any bread recipe can be adapted. Carefully monitor how much flour you are putting in. I start out with 2 cups usually, adding in my liquids and egg (if any), and mix on speed 2 for one minute. Then scrape the bowl with a rubber spatula. Set your timer for 2 minutes. On speed 2, within that 2 minute period, add flour 1/2 cup at a time until the dough clings to the hook. Honestly, sometimes I use more or less than the recipe calls for. I guess humidity affects how much flour the dough needs. I watch during these 2 minutes and the dough will cling to the hook and not touch the sides of the bowl. The dough will be sticky. Then, I reset the timer for 2 more minutes and let it go on speed 2 but do not add anymore flour.
5. Do not let the dough rise in the metal bowl. I transfer it to a clean glass bowl sprayed with cooking spray. Then I cover the bowl with plastic wrap, sprayed with cooking spray, and place that bowl in my oven with the light on. While mixing the dough, I turn the light on and let it sort of "preheat" the oven. The light gives just the right amount of heat but leave the oven off! During the second rise, I let the bread/rolls rise in the oven with the light on also.
I hope this helps. I honestly love my mixer and it is the one kitchen appliance that stays on my island because I use it all the time. In fact, off to make some oatmeal cookies now!
You are 100% right on all accounts. I only...sm - oldtimer
[ In Reply To ..]got my KichenAid stand mixer a few years ago when my arthritis prevented me from mixing and kneading by hand. If only I had known I would have gotten one years ago. I was actually surprised how long recipes from KitchenAid told you to knead with the dough hook, up to 10 minutes, so I don't think you can over knead as long as you allow for enough rest and the proper amount of warmth. I make bread, cookies, pizza dough, coffee cakes and cinnamon buns, cookies, whipped cream, all with very little effort. The biggest factor is to make sure you have active yeast. That is why I always proof even with rapid rise yeast.
what does it mean to "proof" the yeast? - dough
[ In Reply To ..]...
Proofing yeast - Donna
[ In Reply To ..]It is just a term used to make sure yeast is active or alive. Warm about 1/2 cup water per packet of yeast (or the amount of water in recipe) to 110-120 F. Water temp is very important. Add yeast with 1/2 teaspoon sugar. Stir to dissolve yeast. Wait 5 minutes. Yeast is active when you see bubbles on the surface. Just add the yeast water to your recipe. If you do not see any bubbles, the yeast is no good. Just throw it away and start over.
I have not had luck proofing yeast in warmed milk. The sugar also seems to wake up the yeast.
Kitchen aide - Donna
[ In Reply To ..]You bring up a point I forgot to mention. I found you do not need to knead the dough as long as some recipes say. My method works for most doughs and is 5 minutes total: add 2 cups flour and liquids and mix for 1 minute; scrape the bowl; add the egg if any and mix for one minute and scrape (omit if no egg); set the timer for 2 minutes and add the flour for 1/2 cup at a time until the dough is correct consistency; and set the timer for 2 more minutes and just let knead with no additional flour.
I ran my mixer 10 minutes one time and it started to smoke! I tried the recipe again using the above method and it tasted the same. This is the same method in the mixer cookbook for basic white bread.
can i use my meat therm to take - temp of h20?
[ In Reply To ..]that must be my problem, the water is not warm enough and i overmix.
now i want to get up and try to bake something! haha, but i have no flour thank goodness ;)
Thermometer - Donna
[ In Reply To ..]Sure, you can use a meat thermometer. I use a digital one I bought at Walmart. It is for meats, but I use it for water also.
thanks donna. - radMT
[ In Reply To ..]i will post after my future baking date.
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