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Posted: Jul 15, 2013
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Thanks for the heads up. Can't stand him but - definitely interested in
[ In Reply To ..]what she has to say. I'm relieved for her that she's reached the point where she feels more comfortable with the important role she plays in this case and is willing to do the interview. Hope to see a lot more of her throughout the ensuing legal actions against GZ.
I kind of liked her because I despised West AKA - the crypt keeper
[ In Reply To ..]He tortured and mocked her for 6 hours. He is an ugly man physically and mentally.
Me too. She stood up to him, but what - I like even more is
[ In Reply To ..]she's not being intimidated by the hateful, hateful social network lynch mob that tried to have her drawn and quartered. Instead, she gathered strength and is ready to go to bat again for her friend. Good for her!
Isn't she the witness who lied under oath on the stand? She's lucky - she was not arrested for perjury
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She's the one that didn't think "creepy ass cracker" - was a racist remark. LOL
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"Creepy ass cracker" was teenage slang. - LOL
[ In Reply To ..]And a perfect description of George Zimmerman by the way.
Sorry - Cracker is racist.
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OK cracker is racist - So is profiling black males as suspicious
[ In Reply To ..]You can nitpick if you want but cracker is not the issue.
And I have heard teens use slang that may be considered racist but I consider it slang coming from a teen.
Black kids call each other "niggah" and that is slang.
"Cracker" - Libby
[ In Reply To ..]The word "cracker" came about and is referring to white slave owners who used to "crack" the whip on their slaves.
The only difference is Zimmerman had a gun, instead of a whip. Other than that, the description of Zimmerman is very accurate.
OMG! Now you are equating him to a slave owner???? - Are you kidding me?
[ In Reply To ..]You know, the mindset of some people here is getting creepier and creepier. I honestly do not know how some people can even function in society when they have no critical thinking skills.
This subject has gone way off political topic now and is just a topic where posters are getting the chance to call others racist.
Ya'll are now talking about a trial that is over with. This is not a political topic. Belongs on the gab board.
It's too bad Libby, I used to respect your opinion, but this post really lost all your credibility with me.
No. She's. Not. There is a difference between the - history and origin of a word
[ In Reply To ..]and the twisted conclusion you are trying to draw, peppered with insults. Racism cannot and never will be extricated from the dialogue surrounding George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin, the investigation, trial, verdict, and aftermath....regardless of how hard the wingnuts strive to do so or how many times they try pulling the laughable "reverse racism" card when all else fails.
It is impossible to talk about any of this without bringing racism into it, right where it belongs, and part of that discussion includes racist language and hate speech. I thought the origin of the word is interesting, just like examining numerous scenarios when the term ss used between races in different circumstance and contexts.
Regardless of whether or not you understand or want to acknowledge the role racism plays in political and legal discourse, better get used to it, 'cause this national dialogue is going to be with us for a long, long time, thanks to George Zimmerman and his appallingly stupid lack of "critical thinking skills."
No, I would say get used to it because of the divider in chief. - et. al.
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Yes she is - sm
[ In Reply To ..]She said (and I'll quote) "The word "cracker" came about and is referring to white slave owners who used to "crack" the whip on their slaves. The only difference is Zimmerman had a gun, instead of a whip".
That is exactly equating him to a slave owner. "he had a gun instead of a whip".
DESPICABLE!!!
"Cracker" isn't necessarily an insult in Florida - sm
[ In Reply To ..]"Cracker" is used OFTEN in Florida to describe native-born Floridians... which, in a state full of people who have relocated from other states, is rarer than one would think.
True Crackers, who can trace their roots to the early settlers of Florida, are PROUD of the name and their heritage.
I'm 99% sure that the term comes from the cracking sound of a whip made while herding cattle - not whipping slaves.
Floridians who are originally from another state but have been in Florida for so long that there is none of their home state left in them will call themselves and/or each other Crackers (i.e., Joe moved here when he was 5, so he's pretty much a Cracker). To the true Crackers, this use of the term is probably the most offensive... the rest of us will always be just visitors.
I don't want to get into anything regarding the GZ case because, quite frankly, some of the comments on this board are disgusting, but I just wanted to make it known that the use of the word Cracker has a completely different meaning in Florida. It's not automatically an offensive name/slur around here.
Not by my read. I focused on the "difference." - However, let's go there
[ In Reply To ..]for a moment, if you insist. Most 21st century Americans recognize the act of cracking a whip on the backs of a slave owner's "property" as a horrific act of violence that dehumanizes the victim. Many of them also recognize the act of shooting someone through the heart as an even more horrific act of violence that not only dehumanizes the victim, but it also eliminates them from the face of the earth. In this comparison, the slave owner actually comes off as the lesser of the two evils, so the comparison of Zimmerman the killer to Slaveowner the cruel is actually a compliment. (Un)Fortunately we have a couple of visual aids to illustrate the point.
Results of the cruel slave owner's actions:
Results of Zimmerman the killer's actions:
From the crime scene
Too graphic for some, but not others, who can use the link to see what a gunshot to the heart looks like all up close and personal.
From the morgue
The "he had a gun instead of a whip" part of my - Libby
[ In Reply To ..]comment was something I thought as I was writing, and I stand by my original post. My opinion has not changed and, just like everyone else, I'm entitled to my opinion.
To become so indignant when confronted with the fact that racial problems still exist in this country today is, at best, disingenuous.
If that opinion is going to cause someone to lose "respect" for me, then there couldn't have been much respect there to begin with, so I doubt if I'll miss it much.
I was merely explaining the genesis of the word and - Libby
[ In Reply To ..]how it came to be what it is.
I'm sorry you feel that I don't have "critical thinking skills." Once again, I was merely sharing the genesis of the word and was meant to enlighten, not criticize.
As far as whether or not this is a political topic, I believe it's very political, especially as it relates to party lines in today's Congress.
You can find out more about it at the link below.
Cracker = white racist in slang. nm - VTMT
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Um, isn't GZ - HIspanic? (nm)
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Let me get this straight. It's okay for blacks to say (sm) - Confused or maybe not
[ In Reply To ..]the "N" word to each other. It's slang. It's also okay for them to say "cracker". It's slang. But white people can't say these things. Oh, wait, I get it. It's not equal treatment they want, it's special. Just like I said. I get it.
You don't get squat. Slang and virulent hateful racial terms - are not created equal.
[ In Reply To ..]There are mountains and mountains of literature and academic studies on this subject. If you are really interested in understanding the difference, it's there for the taking. Has nothing to do with equality or special interest, except in the minds of those who are trying their very best to justify, nurture, maintain and preserve racist beliefs and ideologies.
Say what you like, I see it as they can do what they want, - and we can't. I see it clearly.
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You are 100% correct - nm
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Creepy ass cracker - I thought
[ In Reply To ..]TM was rather creepy also. I would be scared if I saw him coming at me in the dark.
I'm sorry. I didn't realize TM "came at" GZ. I believe it was - the other way around.
[ In Reply To ..]What I find creepy is how a kid walking home in the rain minding his own business has been characterized as a menacing presence in the neighborhood, shot dead, put on trial and found guilty of causing his own murder, while the killer has been glorified as some kind of folk hero by those on the right that threw money at him, all the while bitterly protesting how this crime and trial is NOT a political event.
That is not what I meant - What I meant
[ In Reply To ..]is I would be afraid of him. He looked creepy to me. I am entitled to my opinion. Nothing to do with GZ. I have no idea what he thought. Don't know if he lied or told the truth.
Could you please share with us - what exactly
[ In Reply To ..]you found creepy about this guy? I really don't understand. Is it the Reese's peanut butter cup T-shirt (evidently one of his favorites since he is wearing it in both photos)? The dark discoloration his hat sweatband left across his forhead? The way he holds the reins? The expression of pleasure on his face? The haircut? Must be that terrifying ear ring.
Here's is the last picture taken of Trayvon Martin just 10 days before he was shot to death. It was taken on the occasion of his celebrating his mom's birthday, which evidently fell only a few days after he turned 17.
At school
I bet you would be. Sad. - nm
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She'd be right about that. He said it to her, not to - his stalking killer.
[ In Reply To ..]I was raised in a wealthy neighborhood in Highland Park/Dallas, Texas back in the 1950s when cotton was still king. We had black house staff, two maids, a nanny, a gardener and groundskeeper. I used to sit out on the stoop with them at lunchtime eating the best fried chicken this side of heaven, "cone" on the cob, hush puppies, watermelon, homemade peach ice cream in the summer and hot fudge meringue pie in the winter.
Since I was in their care 24/7, they never even tried to "clean up" their vernacular lingo in my presence. They used the word "cracker" a lot, but I never ONCE saw them use it in a derogatory way. In fact, I recall a lot of smiling faces, laughter and knee-slapping whenever they said it. That word is in no way equivalent to the N-word, which I also heard a lot of in my house. My grandmother tried to be really genteel about it by using the more polite "Negra" reference, but for the most part I heard it with the -er suffix attached. It was NEVER delivered in the presence of smile, laughter or knee slapping.
Get it? You should since, as a 5-year-old child, I sure could tell the difference.
appreciate your insight and your story - thanks
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No she did not lie under oath on the stand. - That was Shellie Z via phone testimony
[ In Reply To ..]Before you malign someone's name with misinformation, do some research.
You may have her confused with Shellie Zimmerman, George's wife, who lied under oath while on the phone and who is facing perjury charges. Remember when the 2 of them plotted to hide money in his Paypal account by switching it to her account and his sister's account on prison phone calls. Shellie then lied saying they had no money. She is still facing perjury charges. Ironic if she is sent to jail and the murderer is set free.
She did not lie under oath. Mrs. Zimmerman is - the one who perjured herself.
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Actually, the only pending perjury charges are against - Shelly Zimmerman.
[ In Reply To ..]I understand it's a slam-dunk case, on account of those recorded jailhouse phone calls. Don't see anyone beating a path to her front door for prime time interviews, do ya?
What can't you stand? People do not accept the verdict? - That makes me happy.
[ In Reply To ..]All day Sunday on cable and today more discussion of the verdict on big 3 networks and cable.
This isn't going to go away. People of all colors are outraged at the verdict.
I think Z-man - will end up
[ In Reply To ..]like OJ. He got away with it this time, but Karma will catch up with him in the end.
Z-Man will end up worse than OJ - OJ had lots of money and friends
[ In Reply To ..]Z-Man will end up a person with no future, no money and no friends. I really believe his parents know he was wrong and a liar in their hearts and will once again remove themselves from his life as they did prior to his murder of Trayvon Martin.
Just look at Z-Man. Where's he going to hide? Who wants to hang out at his hideout with him and his wife?
I think he is trying to commit passive suicide by obesity and the issues that come with it. I also think Z-Man has more to fear than OJ. So many people despise him. He knows the effects of vigilante justice all too well and how someone can shoot him and claim self-defense. By eating himself to bad health and eventual death at least Zimmerman has control over his death and gets to do what he is best at. EAT.
Well, if I lived in his hometown, I'd KNOW what - Libby
[ In Reply To ..]he's capable of, and if he came anywhere near me, I'd be carrying (just like him) and would kill him in self-defense. I wonder if his neighbors feel the same way. It would be the only way to get rid of a public menace like Zimmerman!! Karma has been mentioned on this board a lot, and I couldn't agree more!
I hope Martin's parents do proceed with a wrongful death civil suit. If there's ANY death that's "wrongful," it certainly is this one.
Your calling for revenge - you know nothing about Karma
[ In Reply To ..]Just who else to you want to go and hunt down. That makes me more afraid of you than it does Zimmerman. Zimmerman didn't go hunt down anyone.
If he was one of my neighbors I would feel perfectly safe with him. He was part of neighborhood watch. He cared enough about his neighbors to keep an eye out for people who might be breaking into their homes. I would feel 150% safe with him.
You, however, are of a dangerous mix. Ready to go after and hunt down anyone you don't like. You don't respect the justice system or law or what the jurors had to go through. You just take the lies that the media fed you and run on it.
You know nothing of Karma. There is nothing good about wanting to go hunt down someone because you didn't like the verdict.
All deaths are wrongful. Trayvon Martin is no more or less important than anyone else.
False premise alert. She's talking about - self defense.
[ In Reply To ..]I suppose only GZ is allowed to feel afraid of perceived neighborhood threats. When a known gun-toting, racial-profiling, trigger-happy, stalking vigilante who got away with murder is turned loose back into the neighborhood, those who are trying to live there and raise their children in peace have EVERY RIGHT to be fearful and take appropriate precautions. This is ESPECIALLY true in places like Florida, where we now see that their holy grail of gun laws trumps public safety and disregards the value of a black kid's life, who was simply walking home from the store trying to get back to join his family before halftime was over.
Thank you. Excellent post!! - Libby
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So, in your opinion, I wouldn't have the right to - Libby
[ In Reply To ..]defend myself from a KNOWN killer of innocent people, but Zimmerman has the right to "self-defense" against an unknown person???
Yeah, that makes sense.
In the first place, I wouldn't be in Florida. As another poster pointed out, between Casey Anthony and now George Zimmerman, Florida is not a place where I would feel comfortable.
As far as karma is concerned, the scenario I described most definitely IS karma, in my opinion, due to Zimmerman's actions and the caricature of him that has developed as a result of those actions.
Agreed. Nothing good about hunting folks down. - Too bad
[ In Reply To ..]those blinders you are sporting don't allow you to realize that is exactly what GZ was doing when he armed himself and went cruising through the neighborhood looking for thugs and criminals. You go looking for trouble, either you will find it or it will find you. Karma 101.
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