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Posted: Aug 29, 2013

I live in a semidetached residential area. My neighbor has been caring for children in her home consistently for working parents. There are four of them and then countless other kids that come over so you get about 10 kids around here. We are not zoned for this and you have to get a special exception from the township so I got tired of all the noise and we cant even use our back patio because of all the kids and they jump on skateboards under my window where I work and use our driveway to turn around in when they pick up these kids. I finally after almost a year of fussing with the HOA about it who did nothing called the Township and did find they really dont allow businesses in here. I did not report them. There are State rules also. Finally the HOA went to them and they said oh these are just friends visiting a few hours every now and then and we dont take any money for it. Totally untrue. This woman who does this lives with her parents and she is probably late 40s and on total disability. They went on to say this is not day care because it is free. Now really. Not sure what will happen. We are tired of being unable to use our own home because of this situation. Just would like opinions. This is a FT situation for working parents over there. Cant believe people lying like this.

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Talk to the babysitter? - sm

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If it was as drastic as you say, it seems like more people would complain, I would think, but maybe not. Anyway, I guess you could go personally to the babysitter and tell her you don't want the kids on your area, using your drive, patio, etc., and if it continues then you will report her every single day to all places of importance and EVENTUALLY she will be investigated. I'm a very "motherly" person, always around kids, so me personally I would just tell the kid to get back over there or stop being so disruptive, but that's just me.

Move to a better neighborhood. - nm

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You got it. Somewhere where people actually think about the guy next - PAMT

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to them. These dont.

Deal with it. - sm

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Nothing you really can do that you haven't already unless you just want to keep on and on complaining and perhaps they will eventually do something. Having four kids over there though, many people actually have four kids and then the extra neighborhood kids would be at their house too, so basically it's just a price you sometimes have to pay for choosing to live in such close quarters with others. People who are disturbed easily really shouldn't live in close areas like that, get some acreage and live on your own.

You need to apply with the Township in this development for a special - PAMT

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exception to run a business and then you have to go through the State regs as well. I pay my taxes and occupational tax to do my job. Why are they any different. People dont care for and feed children for free on a consistent daily basis. That is a joke. These arent poor children.

So basically it is you don't want them "getting over" - sm

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I thought it was more of an issue that the kids were too disruptive, but it seems to be more that "Why can they get away with it, when I can't?" If that's the case, just let them be, people will usually get what they deserve for trying to cheat the system.

I am not looking to get away with anything. They are very - PAMT

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disruptive.

record license plates, number of kids, and times - sm

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I would think if the same kids are being dropped off at the same times on the same days routinely, it's not visiting, it's babysitting.

If the city, state, HOA, etc., won't do anything, you might just have to put up a fence to keep them out.

You should note that all these kids on your property could end up costing you a lot of money. If they were to get hurt on your property, it's your responsibility; not your neighbor's and not the parents'. It's all on you because it's your property.

You might even try contacting your homeowners insurance company for some advice about keeping unwanted kiddies and vehicles off your property. After all, you not getting sued is in your insurance carrier's best interest, too.

It is the same kids, the same times and the same days week in and week out. - PAMT

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I have taken this up with the HOA who spoke with them and we shall see if that makes a difference. I did not go to the State, Township, etc. but I guess I will if I have to. They are surely having day care there. Mother at 7 in the morning dropping off and father at 4 in the afternoon picking up. The others at 12 by father and evening late by father picking up. We know they are lying. I guess I just am not the type of person to do things like that. Not used to this type of thing really.

I feel for you - SusieMT

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I lived next door to a woman who put her 2 dogs out at about 7:45 am when her kids went to school. The dogs were out until approximately 2:30 p.m. Barked all day, I am not joking all day, I had to move my desk into my bedroom in the front of the house so I could hear the dictations better (still did not drain the dogs out). I was not upset with the dogs, but the owner who paid no attention to animals. She left a bowl of water out for them once in a while, but was usually knocked over. There really is not much you can do, you may cause unsafe situation if you get the neighbor in trouble or just reporting it. I would be quiet for a few months and then call the cops on a day when there seems to be a bunch of kids there and report someone fighting or what sounds like fighting. The police cannot tell the person who called. Call family services.

Agree with calling the insurance company. - Please sm

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The poster is right about your responsibility if someone gets hurt.
As for the kids on your property, if a fence is not feasible or desired, perhaps you can use large planters with dwarf trees or bushes placed strategically to block access to your property. Good luck with this situation.

How do you know she's being paid? - anon

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Have you seen money exchange hands? My sister used to babysit my 4 kids (for free) along with her friend's 2 kids (for free), while watching her own 6.

These werent family and friends. They came in BMWs etc. Most state say - PAMT

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if you have kids X amount of time unrelated you are running day care which means you still have to go through zoning. We are still talking about zoning. Do you realize how many people that run daycare in home can say they dont get paid to get away with it. Everyone isnt that stupid. If that would fly everyone would say well I dont get paid for this business so therefore I can run this business.

if you are that concerned, find out who licenses daycares--sm - anon

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in your state and have them investigate. If you do not want people turning around in your driveway, find a way to block it. If you do not like them under your window, then find a way to discourage it.

Honestly, if it was that bothersome, I would look into moving. I admittedly have not had much tolerance for neighbors in the past so I moved somewhere that allowed some distance between houses and I love it.

I wold get a friend they don't know to "enroll" a - kid in it, to see if they charge for it. NM

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Your civic duty is to report it. - sm

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Daycare is licensed for a reason . . to protect the children.

You really have a moral responsibility to report this to whomever licenses or oversees daycare in your state or community. Not to your HOA. They will take care of investigating, inspecting, and determining if anyone is paying.

If the kids run wild all over, it may be that the daycare operator cannot take care of them. I can just about guarantee that she is not insured, since she is not licensed.

I had my lawyer check into State and Township laws and there is no - PAMT

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mention of payment. A day care is a day care payment or no. Just think about it, if everyone said they are running a daycare with no pay there would be a lot of illegal day cares and who buys that story. I told the HOA get it under control or I go to the State and Township. I also have my lawyer involved. We all know she is doing it under the table. I can also go to the IRS and let them deal with it. I am sure they have heard this sad story millions of times. They arent stupid.

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