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Posted: Apr 27, 2015

My son and DIL recently went through a divorce. She has bipolar compounded by alcoholism and addictions to prescription and recreational drugs. He coped as best he could, but throughout their 6 year marriage she attempted suicide 5 times, is a cutter, and twice became wreckless with a gun to the point that authorities including a SWAT team became involved. My son is active duty AF, living on base. At one point she was banned from the base before the divorce and had to get an apartment of her own. 

For the safety of his child, who was home during most of the self harm events, my son divorced her. It seemed that she worsened significantly afterwards, and decided to cut off all communication with me. It saddens me, but I still send her texts and messages in hopes of someday maintaining communication. 

It has been about a year now and my son has custody, she gets limited visitation, but more often than not, calls to cancel because she is "sick." Several times she has come to the designated meeting points intoxicated, or accompanied by questionable "friends."  My son won't let my GS go in those instances.

My son tries and tries to get her to continue to go to her NA and AA meetings, counseling, but she and her family maintain that she doesn't have a problem, and that she is simply acting out because she is "heartbroken" and if they would just get back together everything would be fine.

Last week, her newest boyfriend totalled her car, was arrested for aggravated DUI, evading, fighting with the police and fleeing the scene of an accident. He was found with multiple prescription and illegal drugs, marijuana and open bottle of alcohol. DIL was not with him, but was at home, also intoxicated when the police went to notify her of the car wreck and so blitzed they called 9-1-1. 

My son has decided for the safety of his child, to get a restraining order against the BF. Herein lies my dilema... the in laws have been calling and calling and calling me telling me what a POS my son is, that he is only doing this to "get back at her", and that he needs to just leave her alone that she has found a new love and is finally happy. I asked if they knew what happened, if they were okay with it, and asked how differently they'd feel if she, or OUR GRANDCHILD was in the vehicle at the time.  They brush that off, saying well "they weren't, so it was just an accident..." 

I am torn between wanting to stay in communication for the sake of my grandson, and telling them to jump off the cliff!  Why don't they help her!?

I know she's sick. I get it. I have a sister who has the same issues, but I cannot and will not say it's okay to endanger our grandson and am 100% on my son's side about getting a restraining order.  

I guess what I am ultimately doing is venting, don't really have a question. This is a weekly burden and my grandson is only 8... We've got a long way to go and it's very, very, very hard..  

 

Thanks for reading this.

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sorry your going through this - also have a daughter with issues

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They cant get her help. You can try, and try, and try to get them help, but only the person addicted to all that stuff can get help. Going through all this now as well. Its not easy. Pray, let your son handle it, and insist he gets his son supervised visits with his mom until shes proven clean for extended periods of time. I will say a prayer for your grandson. Im sure hes your whole world, just as mine is to me.

I am not sure what the point is of continuing to communicate--sm - anon

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If you had been lifelong friends with your former in-laws, I could see why you would want to continue that, even if your children are divorced. If that is not the case, I have to question what benefit there is to your grandson by you keeping in touch with them. I would continue to be supportive of your son and your grandson, and help them in all the ways you can to keep them safe, give them love, etc, as you seem to be doing, but I do not understand why you need to keep in touch with the other family, unless you are asked by your son to be an intermediary.

Alcohol will only exacerbate the depression - and suicidality. I have a relative - sm

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who was obviously depressed, angry, very confrontational and impossible to deal with. I kept telling her to see her doctor, and try getting on SSRI's. She said she had tried them, but they "didn't work". (They don't, if you're drinking alcohol.) She was doing dangerous things: Driving while intoxicated, working while intoxicated, etc., in addition to making some terrible financial decisions as a result of her depression/alcoholism. It finally took a major life-threatening event (liver failure) to get her off the alcohol. Not easy, but with close doctor supervision, psychiatric visits, and AA meetings, she has stayed off the booze for about 9 months now. Best of all, now her state of mind is so much better! Not only because she no longer has those alcohol-fueled rages, but because the Prozac she's taking is working like a charm. She now says she's never felt better. So that should be your relative's FIRST CONCERN: Get off the alcohol and stay off it forever. That stuff is poison.

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I'm not sure I see the connection between staying in touch with the in-laws and seeing or not seeing your grandchild as a result. The in-laws are twits, so it's not hard to see how she turned out the way she did.

Your son made a very wise decision about the BF, but his wife should not have ANY access to the child. Talk about messing up a kid's head---then everyone will wonder why the kid is messed up later on, if he isn't already. Sometimes it doesn't show up until later on, then everybody doesn't know what went wrong. Well, duh.

Your son made a bad decision to have a child with a person who is unstable, but it is what it is, and you should support him and the grandchild so the child has at least 2 normal people in his life.

I am going to weigh in on this as I almost feel like I should be considered an "expert" - BeenThere

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on bipolar disorder and addiction as I was married to one for a number of years and as one poster so compassionately put it above "made a bad decision by having a child with an unstable person and had to deal with it." As a side note, let me just say to that poster, bipolar disorder worsens over time. When I met my ex, he was not nearly as insane as he is now and he was not an addict at that point. He did not get diagnosed with bipolar to many years into our marriage. But you go on and make your knee-jerk assumptions about the bad decisions of others. Walk a mile in someone else's shoes...

To the OP, you cannot help your ex-DIL and you cannot continue any kind of relationship with her family PERIOD. They are enablers of the worst kind. They make excuses for her and continually blame others for her addictions and mental illness. If they are not going to make her take responsibility for herself, she never will. So my advice to you is kick the dust off your feet and move on. The only relationship you need to worry about is with her son and grandson which brings me to my next point. Your grandson is so much better off NOT seeing his mother in her present condition even with supervision. Kids are amazingly perceptive and I have found in the case of my daughter that if you explain the situation in terms they understand, they can process it and develop coping skills adults can only dream of having. In the case of my ex, my daughter was very young, 6 years old, when I sat her down and explained to her that her dad had a sickness like when she gets sick with a sore throat, the sickness is in her throat. Daddy's sickness was in his head. He gets confused and he acts silly. Then I explained to her that he tries to control his silliness by drinking alcohol, beer or whiskey, but that doesn't work, it makes it worse. I explained that until daddy gets himself better, she just can't spend time with him.

My daughter was never allowed to spend time with her father alone. If she asked to see him, I called him and we met at McDonald's or something. We had dinner and spent time with him. If he said or did something stupid, I cut him off and said we have to go. My ex had a tendency to try to engage our child in our marital problems by telling her things like "I love your mommy, but she's mean to me and won't let me see you." I told him that the minute he starts with that nonsense, I will take her and leave. If ever my daughter seemed to believe any of the crap he spouted, I simply asked her do you like your daddy when he drinks beer or when he acts silly? The answer was always no and I said neither do I. I care about your dad and what happens to him, but my job is to take care of you first and love you first. She is now 14 years old and the most well adjusted child. Better adjusted than I am or have ever been. Her father is still an alcoholic and still bipolar and still does not seek help or take appropriate meds. When she has any kind of athletic event like track or softball, we tell her father he can come if he is sober. He actually manages that sometimes, but most times not. He doesn't have a car or a job, so in order to attend any events, I have to pick him up and so I get to inspect him before we go.

I care about him and I worry about him, but I'm done with him. I learned the hard way that how much you care makes no difference. Bipolar addicts are the most selfish people and they will take and take and take. They will try to make you feel responsible for their plight. They will play upon your guilt and compassion. I would encourage you to stop any and all communication with the in-laws. I would encourage your son to have an open conversation with his son about his mother. And I would make your grandson's life about all the things a kid's life should be about - happiness and peace. It has to be only about the child. It is sad what his mother has become, but it is even sadder to destroy this child's happiness.

Good luck to you and God Bless!

Also, I refuse to consider my daughter a "bad decision." - BeenThere

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Her father may not be ideal, but I would not have the beautiful blessing that is my daughter had I not made that "bad decision."

Maybe be a little less thoughtless in your response next time. Just sayin.

Not trying to be hurtful - see msg

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I apologize if I came across as thoughtless. It's just that it exhausts me when people purposefully have children when they know the other person is unstable. Just because someone isn't "quite as insane" earlier, people know there's a problem. A small child shouldn't have to "process" anything as grave as an unstable person in the household at any time.

I think for sure no child should have to be in touch with an unstable person.
You came across as condescending, self-righteous, and judgmental. - BeenThere
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Whether your trying to be hurtful or not is irrelevant. I don't waste my time getting hurt by the likes of an anonymous poster who thinks because she's got a little medical knowledge, she's somehow an authority. You have no idea what you are talking about.

And small children shouldn't have to process a lot of what they are asked to process in this messed up world on a good day.

Your comments are thinly veiled judgments intimating that we (me, the OP's son) should feel bad for what we've done (purposefully having a child with a mentally ill person).

You've offered nothing constructive to this conversation.
come on, you have to admit that to deal day in and out with sm - acuteMLS
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with a mentally ill person who is untreated---it's utterly draining. To bring children into that is just begging for trouble.

Facts are facts. The untreated/unstable mentally ill are exhausting to deal with. I think that's all the poster was saying - that and you should NOT be having children with an unstable person (which I totally agree with).
How is it helpful to tell someone who has had a - BeenThere
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a child with a mentally ill person it was a bad idea to have a child with a mentally ill person? How is it helpful to state that dealing with a mentally ill person is exhausting? DUH!

The ONLY reason to make such comments is to make the person it is directed to to feel even worse than they already. There is no other valid reason whatsoever to state the obvious.
It's a bad idea. Bottom line. If I was married to a mentally ill sm - acuteMLS
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individual (bipolar, for example) I would have to take into consideration how bad it would get if they suddenly decide they're fine.

Bipolars? Bad. Do I want to have a child with that person. Hell no.

If you decided to, that's you. Most people would give it a 2nd and 3rd thought before marching forth into parenthood with someone who is likely to spend wildly, drink, become addicted or in plain act crazy if they are untreated.

But that's me. Not you.
First, bipolar disorder is a gradual onset. - BeenThere
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They don't just wake up crazy one day. So when I met my ex, we were kids basically and he was completely sane, full of energy, and happy. I married him, got pregnant, and for a while things were "normal." Eventually, energy turned to mania and stress would bring out even worse mania then came the self-medicating, etc.

So for you or anyone to assume that I or anyone else knowingly and willingly married an obviously mentally ill person - YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG! You have no idea what you are talking about. And to feel it is necessary to beat a dead horse by telling me or the OP's son that we made a bad decision is just completely thoughtless and just plain mean. We KNOW we made a mistake. We KNOW we shouldn't have married this person. We KNOW we are now in a bad situation. Why do YOU feel it is necessary to remind us? I'll tell you why, because you are a self-righteous, judgmental piece of work who strokes her ego by smugly telling everyone else how wrong they are.

Again, you offer nothing constructive to this conversation. Thank you, Captain Obvious for pointing out what we already know. You've been VERY helpful.
Thank you - From the Mean Person
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Thank you. It's hard enough on children, without purposefully putting them in horrible family situations. Home is supposed to be a refuge for a child (and a grownup), not a tumultuous environment. I always stand up for the children, and the grown-ups get mad at me. So be it.

Some of my notes are meant for all--if you or your spouse is unstable, hold off on having a kid until you all can get it treated properly and long-term. Other than that, I don't care who you choose to spend your life with.
You called my child a bad decision. Thanks for standing up for her. - BeenThere
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Read my post above about the gradual onset of Bipolar disorder. Do a little research and get back to me when you have something intelligent to add besides I told you so.
How do I know it's a "bad" decision? I'm the child of someone sm - annony
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a mentally ill person - bipolar specifically. My mother lived a life of ups, downs, drama and intrigue and as soon as I possibly could, I got the heck out of Dodge.

Do I wish I'd never been born? Yes, sometimes I do. To be saddled with family like this is its own special hell. So that's the perspective from your child's place in all of this.
Let's play whose childhood was worse, yours or mine? - BeenThere
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As far as my child's perspective, as I said earlier she is very well adjusted and very intelligent and she's never suffered because of her father. She understands that some people are born with problems that require special help and some people just won't get that help. We can love them and pray for them, but we can't fix them.

That's her relationship with her father. She loves him, but she knows he is troubled and needs help only a professional can provide.
You're a real peach. wow - nm
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xxx
I'm a survivor. I don't whine about where I've been. - BeenThere
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I don't worry about past mistakes.
to been there - muma
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My DIL showed no obvious "signs" of instability until well into the marriage. Everyone though post partum depression, the blues... We had no idea what was going on. It was her mother who eventually let on that she had "problems" on and off as a teen, but never as bad as it got, and that she'd eventually "shake it off". So, they knew.. Just thought I'd mention that. Thanks for your input.
That's what I was trying to explain to everyone. Bipolar doesn't happen overnight. - BeenThere
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Your son didn't knowingly start a relationship with an insane person, as someone insinuated above. There was no "bad decision." It just happens that the person you married has somehow turned into a crazy person. You can't pinpoint exactly when it happened, you just know your life has all of a sudden become chaos.

I got a little heated with the person who posted that your son "made a bad decision" to have a child with a mentally ill person. It wasn't a decision. It's just how it turned out.

I apologize that the conversation took an ugly turn and I feel for your situation. I wish you well and as I said earlier, you can't help your DIL. You can't maintain a relationship either. It just won't be possible until she gets herself straightened out. Focus on her son and grandson and just love and enjoy them.

God Bless!

Why they do not help her. - sm

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They don't help her because no one can help her. She is mentally ill. The in-laws are probably much the same or in denial.

You can't help her. Professionals can't help her. The police can't help her.

I remember that you have posted about this before.

Your son made the right decision. He needs to keep his son away from her. Otherwise, she is likely to snatch him away and kill herself and him.

You need to stay away from her and those obnoxious, turmoil-loving, loser in-laws. Don't answer when they call. Don't open the door. Do not participate in their craziness.

You can educate yourself on mental illness so you can learn to stop feeling that you should enable her. You can pray for her, too.

Cut off communication with her and with them until such time sm - acuteMLS

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as she has completed substance abuse treatment and is actively working a 12-step program.

I know you don't mean to, but if your son is severely limiting contact with his addicted ex and now seeking a restraining order against the BF on behalf of the child, you continuing to communicate with her or her family kind of undermines his efforts.

Addicts have ugly lives and she needs to hit her bottom or die. Concentrate your efforts on your grandson and don't answer the phone if it's her or her parents. If they leave threatening messages, you might consider also seeking a restraining order, but don't respond to them or engage them at all.

OP - Muma

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I thank you all for the suggestions, support and feedback. I'm taking a lot of the advice; namely the communication thing with the in-laws. I has been toxic and nonproductive. At least I can say I tried.

Special thanks to the people who e-mailed me with resources and to the "expert"who weighed in.

Sometimes it just really, really helps to vent.

Blessings to you all.

I know how hard it is to get to that Bridge of Enough - but I crossed it

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It took me years to cross it and realize my GC was much better off without her mother causing chaos in her life. I have adopted my GC (in 2010), am single, and won't allow contact with my ex-husband who continues to enable our grown daughter (in all ways, with her bipolar, her borderline personality disorder, drugs, etc). In 2011, I told him never to contact me again. My little one has not had contact with her birth mom since 2008.

The care of the child is paramount. You (in this case, meaning you and your son) MUST protect the GC from as much damage from the mother as you possibly can. You son is doing the right thing; he is not giving up and continues to encourage her to sobriety/mental health. He is setting boundaries for his EX; you are setting boundaries.

I have no advice about doing anything differently than what you are doing now, except I will say that it really does get better when you let go of the grown adults in your life that continue to make excuses for the mother and try to make you feel bad. I hope you find some peace when you reach the Bridge of Enough. I have had honest, age-appropriate conversations with my now-daughter, and she KNOWS and TRUSTS that I made the choice to block contact because it was in her best interest, even if she does not understand the whole picture (the mother had been arrested for some type of charge of prostitution involving a minor - I don't know the details, but it is not appropriate the mother have contact while my little one is a minor IMHO).

I have to live my life setting an example for the child I am raising so that regardless of what my EX or my grown daughter says to her about me in the future, my little one will know how to handle it and is strong enough to be close only to those who truly desire good things in my little one's life. She has to be strong enough not to be drawn in once she becomes an adult herself.

Good luck to you, your son and GC. Stay strong and keep making decisions in your GC's best interest.

Great post, very sane, agree completely. - nm

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NM

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