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Posted: Mar 15, 2011
I've been called a racist, hater, lair, Nazi, crazy, evil, scary, extremist, violent, stupid, homophobe, Islamaphobe, and fear monger (among other things) for telling people this would happen. Why am I not surprised this is coming out now? You have no idea how bad I wanted to be proved wrong. Sigh.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/conyers-health-care-law-platform-single
Conyers: Obamacare Is ‘Platform’ for Creating Single-Payer System Monday, March 14, 2011
By Nicholas Ballasy
(CNSNews.com) - Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), the ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee, told CNSNews.com today that the health-care law that President Barack Obama signed last March is a “platform” for building a single-payer health care system in the United States.
During a newsmakers program at the National Press Club on Monday, Conyers said that after discussing the issue with Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D.-Ohio) he voted for the health-care law because he saw it as a necessary "platform" for building toward a single-payer health-care system in the United States.
Speaking with CNSNews.com after the event at the National Press Club, Conyers said, “What we’re trying to do is insure everybody, right? We’re trying to insure more people, not less and so it’s my feeling that the rising costs that are going on will not be solved by getting rid of people’s health insurance--that throws them into emergency rooms and charity and other things. That’s why HR 676 is our ultimate solution--is that everybody’s insured from birth on and that’s what we’re still fighting for.”
CNSNews.com then asked Conyers, “Do you see a single-payer health care system ultimately in the United States?”
“Of course," he said. "Universal health care--well, every industrial country on the planet already has a universal system of health care.”
When asked if he thinks President Obama's health-care law will lead to a single-payer health-care system in the U.S., Conyers said: “Well it’s a platform. I don’t think they flow smoothly but without that, if we didn’t have this then health care, universal health care would be an even more difficult legislative objective,” he said.
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I was priced out of the insurance market totally, so I can't get too worked up over this - My Own Personal Insurance Horror Story Became Real
[ In Reply To ..]I have no serious pre-existing conditions. I have allergies and I take medicine which controls high blood pressure. Insurance companies tripled by premium until it wasn't cost-effective for me to have insurance at all.
So, any change at all would be better than zero coverage.
My own insurance coverage horror story became a reality to me, so what is proposed just doesn't terrify me. I've given already.
Hubby cannot change jobs because he has sleep apnea. - no big deal--no insurance though-nm
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insurance - icedT
[ In Reply To ..]I'm still paying a $40,000 hospital bill after 3 years - and I had (what I thought) was great insurance. BCBS paid 80%. It's the co-pays and deductibles that have nearly killed me.
The insurance industry needs to be fixed. I don't think you would get an argument from anyone on that point. It's HOW to fix it that gives people the fits. For example, why should I pay for coverage for well-baby care and prostate exams? Why should my young-adult son have to pay for coverage of Pap smears and bone density scans?
It doesn't have to be totally overhauled to fix the problem. If my car needed tires and brakes, I wouldn't junk the entire car for a new one.
Excellent point! And making all policies - available across state lines
[ In Reply To ..]would go a long way toward taking care of that. I lived in one state, could get a very reasonable policy from Aetna, myself, not a group, for a reasonable monthly amount. When I moved back to my home state, was told they did not offer that policy in my state and the one they offered in its place was twice as much per month. THAT is wrong. If they offer it in one state, they should offer it in ANY state where they offer insurance. THAT is a major thing that could be fixed.
But if that option became available, the - insurance companies
[ In Reply To ..]would change their policies and raise their rates, probably in anticipation of such laws passing (like they're doing now, illegally).
You mean the insurance companies have a UNION? LOL - Just sayin
[ In Reply To ..]That's what it looks like. Big business has a B-I-G union! It works well for them.
Not surprised - Zville MT
[ In Reply To ..]But like you, I was hoping to be proved wrong. Sigh, indeed.
Yeah....it worked so well in Canada that - baby Joseph had to come HERE
[ In Reply To ..]because his chances at long-term survival are limited and it just wasn't cost-effective to continue the treatment.
Thank you SO much government-run health care. And so much for the government won't make life and death decisions for you. I guess Baby Joseph is expendable on the alter of universal health care.
St. Louis, Mo., Mar 16, 2011 / 06:09 am (CNA/EWTN News).- A priest who helped transfer a terminally ill 13-month-old from a Canadian hospital â where his breathing tubes were slated to be removed â said the fight to keep the baby alive is a âteaching moment for our whole cultureâ on the value of life.
Fr. Frank Pavone, who heads the New York-based Priests for Life, told CNA on March 14 it was a âvictory for the familyâ that baby Joseph was moved from an Ontario, Canada medical center to a Catholic hospital in Missouri where doctors plan to perform a temporary procedure to prolong his life later this week.
Joseph's parents â Moe and Sana Maraachli â had asked Priests for Life for help after doctors at London Health Sciences Centre in Ontario refused to transfer the child to a facility that could perform a tracheotomy on him.
The hospital claimed that the procedure â which would allow for the baby to breath on his own â was reserved for patients who needed a breathing machine long term.
Fr. Pavone responded that the treatment is considered by many doctors as a âstandard procedure for Joseph's condition.â
Baby Joseph, who suffers from a severe and fatal neurological disorder, was considered to be in a vegetative state by Canadian doctors, who recommended that he have his feeding and breathing tubes removed.
âWe and the family felt that they were making a value judgment on his life,â Fr. Pavone said. âIt's one thing to say a treatment is worthless â it's another thing to say a life is worthless.
Took the decision right out of the hands of the parents. There but for the grace of God go we...and if the Democrats get their way...there we WILL be. Obamacare needs to be repealed...immediately if not sooner.
From Toronto Sun - Joseph got excellent
[ In Reply To ..]care above and beyond. It's a sad situation.
This Monday, on Family Day in Ontario, Joseph Maraachli, who's in a vegetative state from a neurodegenerative disease, will die after his breathing tube is removed from his tiny body at a London hospital, ending an ethical and legal dilemma that tried to balance unwanted suffering with the needs of a child and his family.
"I lose my baby," Maraachli, 37, who came to Canada from Lebanon 11 years ago, said. "They take him from me.
"I don't lose my baby like God take him. They take him. They want to take him."
"It was basically our family's word versus the medical system's world," said Joseph's aunt, Samar Nader, who's sure she saw Joseph respond to her this week when she touched his head.
"I think in medicine, they're just looking at the world from a black and white point of view.
"The family understands the child and for us to witness his death on Monday ... I don't know."
An emotional Superior Court Justice Helen Rady, who called it "heartbreaking" and "such a sad and difficult case," decided Thursday not to allow the family's appeal of a decision last month by Ontario's Consent and Capacity Board to have the child's breathing tube removed and put in place a do-not-resuscitate order and palliative care.
The baby's father and mother, Sana Nader, 35, wanted the same treatment for Joseph as was given to their daughter before she died, eight years ago at 18 months -- give Joseph a tracheotomy and ventilation, and allow them to take him home to die what would be a peaceful death.
But Joseph's doctors say while a tracheotomy -- an incision is made in a patient's airway, to help breathing -- may prolong the baby's life, it's futile in this case and would likely cause much discomfort. It would certainly also increase the risk of infection and pneumonia, they argue.
"The medical officials would not want this little boy to suffer," Rady said.
When born in January 2010, Joseph, now 13 months, was a beautiful, normal baby.
But five months later he started having seizures like his sister. By June, he couldn't swallow.
In October, he stopped breathing while travelling with his parents. He was taken to an Ingersoll, Ont., hospital, then rushed to the London Health Sciences Centre's pediatric critical care unit where he's been ever since.
His father has stayed in London, Ont., to be with his son.
His mother is in London, Ont., every weekend and returns to Windsor, Ont., to look after the couple's other son, Ali.
Joseph's on a ventilator and fed through a tube. He's in what the doctors call "a persistent vegetative state." The doctors say he's blind and deaf. He's missing all five brain stem reflexes considered necessary for life -- gag, cough, eye movement, pupil and cornea responses. His brain deterioration is irreversible.
A team of doctors, including a world-renowned pediatric expert from Toronto's Hospital for Sick Children, has examined Joseph and agrees he's dying of the same progressive neurodegenerative disease that claimed his sister.
Joseph's doctor told the adjudication board that doctors "reluctantly" gave the couple's daughter a tracheotomy. Since then, doctors have learned "substantially" more about the procedure and determined it isn't right for Joseph.
The board agreed with Joseph's attending doctor that the baby has "no hope or chance of ever recovering."
"While we feel a great deal of empathy for the parents, we held that their view was not in any way realistic," the board said, adding Joseph's parents "were blinded by their obvious love" for their child.
His parents fear Joseph will choke to death once the tube is removed. They say he responds to their touch and wanted the board to see him in hospital before deciding.
Rady said it's unclear what the board would have seen had its members agreed. And she noted that while Joseph's head and body have grown, it doesn't mean the medical assessments are wrong.
The case digs deeply into the delicate balance of life vs. suffering.
Ethicist Margaret Somerville of McGill University's Centre for Medicine, Ethics and Law said the case is "a judgment where the parents are giving priority to the prolongation of life and the doctor is giving priority to the quality of that life."
"I'm sure there's no doubt in this case that this child has a very poor quality of life, but we do know that health-care professionals judge quality of life much lower than people themselves do."
Somerville said such quality-of-life decisions are delicate and often at odds. What needs to be examined is why the family doesn't agree with the decision and if their reasons are acceptable, she said.
The board had ordered Joseph's breathing tube be removed Friday, but Rady said that wasn't sensitive to the family's need.
Instead, she ordered they comply by Monday -- a statutory holiday in Ontario, to celebrate family -- "to afford the whole family adequate time to say their good-byes."
Rady's voice broke when she addressed the family. "I hope that in time you'll find peace," she said.
Joseph's father wasn't satisfied. "It's not help," he said later.
His lawyer, Geoff Snow, said he understands Rady's decision but added, "the loss of a child in any circumstances is tragic and it's unfortunate that there's not more that could have been done."
Lawyer Julie Zamprogna Balles, who acted for the doctor, said Rady's decision was "well-reasoned and compassionate."
While the case had "very sad and unfortunate circumstances," everyone involved, she said, have "focused on little Joseph's best interests."
But a grieving Moe Maraachli said there's "no humanity" in Canada. He expressed a desire to die himself.
"I stay with him until the last moments and hopefully I go with him," he said.
jane.sims@sunmedia.ca
Until they decided it wasn't cost-effective anymore. - Would YOU want a "board"
[ In Reply To ..]telling you that they elected not to continue treatment on your child because it was not cost effective anymore, because the child was terminal?
Fortunately a hospital here in the United States was willing to put the child on a ventilator. Hopefully it will stay that way and "panels" that come with single-payer will not be able to decide when and if to "pull the plug."
No death panels indeed.
This isn't new. This was discussed - during the health care
[ In Reply To ..]reform debates.
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